As I understand it, Germany was something of a quasi-socialist state. Many manufacturers such as Krupp, Messerschmitt, and Daimler were independently owned and operated. They competed for enormous weapons contracts which fairly quickly became the dominant area of the German economy. Much of this was funded by borrowed money, I might add.

Clete, just be aware that Athos loves to try and throw his supposed weight around and see if he can bully people. Didn't work with me, so he blocked me, for which I am eternally grateful. Just push back against him. I feel pretty sure he won't back you down.

world war two - How did Nazi Germany finance itself during WW2? - History Stack Exchange

"Borrowed" is a strange way to describe what Hitler did.

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Maybe you should read some history some time. The Nazi were socialists, a response to the poverty and disorder of Germany after WWII. They are a reflection of where the left will take you if you go down that path.

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Here's the truth, paraclete - based on historical facts.

Above all, the Nazis were German white nationalists/supremacists. What they stood for was the ascendancy of the “Aryan” race and the German nation, by any means necessary. The claim that the Nazis actually were leftists or socialists in any generally accepted sense of those terms flies in the face of historical reality.

In the months after Hitler took power, SA and Gestapo agents went from door to door looking for Hitler’s enemies. They arrested Socialists, Communists, trade union leaders, and others who had spoken out against the Nazi party; some were murdered. By the summer of 1933, the Nazi party was the only legal political party in Germany.

Hitler himself defined what he meant by "socialist" in the following speech.

Whoever is prepared to make the national cause his own to such an extent that he knows no higher ideal than the welfare of the nation; whoever has understood our great national anthem, “Deutschland ueber Alles,” to mean that nothing in the wide world surpasses in his eyes this Germany, people and land — that man is a Socialist.

However, the assumption that because the word “socialist” appeared in the party’s name and socialist words and ideas popped up in the writings and speeches of top Nazis then the Nazis must have been actual socialists is naive and ahistorical. What the evidence shows, on the contrary, is that Nazi Party leaders paid mere lip service to socialist ideals on the way to achieving their one true goal: raw, totalitarian power.

The Nazi problem comes down to this: As an ultra-nationalist, socially conservative, anti-egalitarian and fascist ideology, Nazism naturally falls on the extreme far-right end of the political spectrum


Another speech by Hitler - 1922. Note how he refers to the party of the LEFT.

There are only two possibilities in Germany;..... one day it will turn to [the Party of] those who have most consistently foretold the coming ruin and have sought to dissociate themselves from it. And that party is either the Left: and then God help us! for it will lead us to complete destruction—to Bolshevism, or else it is a party of the Right which at the last, when the people is in utter despair, when it has lost all its spirit and has no longer any faith in anything, is determined for its part ruthlessly to seize the reins of power—that is the beginning of resistance.


We could go on picking things apart, but it becomes preposterously too easy; there’s no sport in hunting an animal that has no claws or teeth. If you decide to discuss using facts and rational thought I'll be glad to do that with you - I am open to learning from you as I am from anyone

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We could go on picking things apart, but it becomes preposterously too easy; there’s no sport in hunting an animal that has no claws or teeth.

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What humility.

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What humility.

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What intellectualism.

no this is humility

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I am open to learning from you as I am from anyone

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Good luck with that.

Darn it Athos! Stop with the facts! It get's in the way of the right wing revisionists history narrative! Hitler and the dufus are economic geniuses. They built great economies that saved their country from ruin. What's your problem with that?

My bad. Yeah, you're right - I got carried away. HEIL!

Now that's how you TOLD somebody Clete. Hope you took notes! 8O

No Tal that's not how you do it

Yes Clete that's how I do it. How do you do it...and why should I care?

Too subtle for me Tal

What you found a big stick or something?

I thought you were into free speech, guns, riots, civil action, me I'm just a spectator

Booooorrrrrriiiiiggggggggg!

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Booooorrrrrriiiiiggggggggg!

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You know when you are right, you are right

Boring ain't bad...just BORING!

Talk about an "abyss of unreality", Biden is proposing we borrow 6000 dollars for every single American in order to send 1400 dollars to some Americans. Wonderful.


"During an interview with "Fox News Sunday," Brian Deese insisted that items including $1,400 payments to all Americans."




https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bid...us-relief-plan

debt is great, ain't it, the future can pay for it, eh, those high earning grand children won't even feel it, but you can't let the economy starve and that over bloated military won't starve, ever

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Talk about an "abyss of unreality", Biden is proposing we borrow 6000 dollars for every single American in order to send 1400 dollars to some Americans. Wonderful.


"During an interview with "Fox News Sunday," Brian Deese insisted that items including $1,400 payments to all Americans."




https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bid...us-relief-plan

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Who wants to fact check this right wing looney homophobic fringer? Talk about the "abyss of unreality"!

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debt is great, ain't it, the future can pay for it, eh, those high earning grand children won't even feel it, but you can't let the economy starve and that over bloated military won't starve, ever

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A lot to consider there, and a lot I would agree with, but I might point out that your own country has run a deficit for the past twelve consecutive years, so you don't have much room for crowing.

https://tradingeconomics.com/austral...ernment-budget

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A lot to consider there, and a lot I would agree with, but I might point out that your own country has run a deficit for the past twelve consecutive years, so you don't have much room for crowing.

https://tradingeconomics.com/austral...ernment-budget

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Two points here; before the US inflicted GFC we were in surplus, before covid we had just reached the point of surplus again so your reading of the statistics is disengenuous, so I think we have much room for crowing over a nation who is addicted to pork and military expenditure. Before covid we hadn't had a recession in 28 years and have bounced back so again much crowing available

"Trump Descends Further Into The Abyss of His Unreality"

As do we all! Who is foolish enough to believe they will escape that same fate?
Keep the freak show alive!!!

This is as much your Unreality as it is his...go Figure.

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A comment worth pondering.

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"Trump Descends Further Into The Abyss of His Unreality"

As do we all! Who is foolish enough to believe they will escape that same fate?
Keep the freak show alive!!!

This is as much your Unreality as it is his...go Figure.

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Yes Trump is still there suggesting he should lead

let's examine his credentials

most votes of any republican presidential candidate
no other republican presidential candidate can better his popularity
didn't carry the house or the senate at the last election
led an insurrection against the election result

I think I'll stop there

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led an insurrection against the election result

I think I'll stop there

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Should have stopped one sooner. The last one is preposterous.

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Yes Trump is still there suggesting he should lead

let's examine his credentials

most votes of any republican presidential candidate
no other republican presidential candidate can better his popularity
didn't carry the house or the senate at the last election
led an insurrection against the election result

I think I'll stop there

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I'll add his CPAC rant and raving to your list.

How did they get the golden idol of trump from Mexico over The Wall without damaging it?

the wall is incomplete they walked across

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How did they get the golden idol of trump from Mexico over The Wall without damaging it?

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Mexico paid for first class delivery. They could afford it after the money they saved on the wall.

Why should Mexico pay for a wall, they don't want to keep their citizens in

What? You mean the dufus lied?