Anyone who thinks the economy does not affect lives is completely stupid.
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Anyone who thinks the economy does not affect lives is completely stupid.
And it begins. Pa gov mandates wearing masks, even in your own home.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/pa-gov-an...-in-your-house
It is a matter of priorities, lives before the economy, not the economy before lives, if you die from disease the economy is no use to you, this is among many truths that are self evident, and yet they elude many, or maybe just oneQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Dr. Scott Atlas, a top White House coronavirus adviser, said Monday that Americans should flout public health guidance and gather as normal for the holidays as this may be “the final Thanksgiving” for many.
why do you quote idiots? taking his advice would be a self fulfilling prophecy. No doubt this is the same idiot who has been advising Trump
Scott Atlas is a madman who is leading people to their death. In addition to appearing on the Kremlin TV network, he has Trump's ear who does what Atlas tells him to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
He needs to be exposed as he spews lies from the White House and endangers the American public. Atlas is one of the strangest figures to emerge from the Trump totally ineffective attempt at governance. Trump's Rasputin.
But destroying the economy will, in the long run, cost more lives than the pandemic. It is a balancing act. Check out Venezuela if you want evidence for that.Quote:
It is a matter of priorities, lives before the economy, not the economy before lives,
The virus is destroying the economy and wrecking lives, so makes sense to deal with the virus and save lives AND the economy.
I don't think the virus is destroying the economy as much as our response to the virus could do so. You can't just shut down everything unless you want everyone to starve, so obviously it's a balancing of priorities. For the five hundredth time, if you look at Europe, where they have been much stricter than us, they are also in the midst of a severe spike. How do you explain that?Quote:
The virus is destroying the economy and wrecking lives
Better management! Their spikes are not nearly as immense as ours. Nobody's is. Stop listening to the dufus and the right wing noise machine and read this...
https://www.msn.com/en-au/travel/tri...ly/ar-BB1b6YzI
It's our response led by the dufus and repubs that is spreading the virus AND destroying the economy.
Yes they are. I don't listen to Trump just like I don't listen to Biden. They are both unreliable. And I tend to not listen to you because, IN YOUR OWN LINK, it shows your contention about Europe to be wrong. Didn't you read this??? "France surpasses 2 million coronavirus cases, 4th highest in world,." How do you explain that? That are far stricter than we are, and yet they are experiencing a severe spike. How do you explain that????? Or are you so intent on listening to the left wing "noise machine" that you have lost the ability to think for yourself? That's what Is so aggravating about people on this board. You read something which flatly contradicts what you believe, and instead of responding to it honestly, you just blow it off and move on. So again, HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THAT?????????????Quote:
Better management! Their spikes are not nearly as immense as ours. Nobody's is. Stop listening to the dufus and the right wing noise machine and read this...
Merkel warns of winter long haul as German COVID deaths soar
https://www.metro.us/merkel-warns-of-winter/
It's the nature of the virus dude, the more human activity the greater the spike and everybody is worn out. Who wants to be locked down? Nobody, but it's the only tool we have to mitigate the spread. That's evidence based and applies everywhere and either place restrictions or spread sickness and death.
I actually think you had the best solution, cut everybody a personal check to stay home and weather the storm until we have a better solution. You get my vote! 8D
I can't believe I just said that! 8O!
That's what you say now that your contention ("Their spikes are not nearly as immense as ours. Nobody's is.") has been shown to be a false bit of fake news.Quote:
It's the nature of the virus dude,
First of all, I have never suggested that. Secondly, it's a terrible idea to spend money we don't have. We need to continue to weather the storm. I don't know of anything else to do. The Europeans tried the extreme measures you seem to prefer and it has not worked. Lastly, if you will vote for me, then I'll vote for you. We might kill each other, but I have no doubt we could do better that most of what I see.Quote:
I actually think you had the best solution, cut everybody a personal check to stay home and weather the storm until we have a better solution. You get my vote! 8D
WRONG! Or just show me who in the world has more than 100,000 new infections or more than a thousand deaths...a dayQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Sure you did, and said it would save money over the way those relief packages were structured. Leave it to you to forget a good idea we agree on. Yes the Europeans did the lockdown thing like most everybody else, and like everybody else when they came out the virus was waiting for them. INEVITABLE and PREDICTABLE.Quote:
First of all, I have never suggested that. Secondly, it's a terrible idea to spend money we don't have. We need to continue to weather the storm. I don't know of anything else to do. The Europeans tried the extreme measures you seem to prefer and it has not worked. Lastly, if you will vote for me, then I'll vote for you. We might kill each other, but I have no doubt we could do better that most of what I see.
To continue to weather the storm, we have to secure the needs of those that must hunker down, and stop the nuts from NOT hunkering down. Sick people can't work and dead folks can't either so what's your better idea to weather the storm?
I doubt either of us old coots could kill each other without plenty of oxygen tanks handy. What, you think I'll have a heart attack before you do?
I showed you from your own article. I have no idea what else to do. 2 million infections in France, a country many times smaller than us. What else do you want???Quote:
WRONG! Or just show me who in the world has more than 100,000 new infections or more than a thousand deaths...a day
I did indeed say that to illustrate the stupidity of our government, but I NEVER suggested we do that. NEVER. It's a terrible idea.Quote:
Sure you did, and said it would save money over the way those relief packages were structured
Non working people cannot pay taxes to pay for all of these ideas, so where do you think the money will come from?Quote:
Sick people can't work and dead folks can't either so what's your better idea to weather the storm?
I will admit that it would be close. Very close. The oxygen would indeed be helpful. I would still think that you could be dangerous if I riled you up too much!Quote:
I doubt either of us old coots could kill each other without plenty of oxygen tanks handy. What, you think I'll have a heart attack before you do?
Still waiting for YOUR solution. If you got one.
Tough question. I don't know of a good answer. Trying to protect both the economy and the nation's health is a difficult undertaking. I think we will have to emphasize masks and social distancing probably more than we have, and probably work harder on protecting the over 60 crowd which is where the real risk seems to be. "In fact, through November 12, 92 percent of COVID-19 deaths nationwide have occurred among those ages 55 or older. Only 0.2 percent were younger than 25." I might add that looking at those 65 and older would be wise since they are about 80% of the deaths. Young people have little to worry about, so it makes no sense at all to force them to stay at home. Getting a vaccine asap, as Trump has basically done, is the only real answer.Quote:
Still waiting for YOUR solution. If you got one.
https://www.heritage.org/data-visual...deaths-by-age/
Maybe the coronavirus is Mother Nature's way of culling Earth's human herd and returning humanity to an Adam and Eve duo. Then they can kick-start a new human population.
Have you abandoned the thought that this is part of the judgements of Revelation, in this case, pestilence? Forget nature, how many instances of pestilence have arisen in the last century. The purpose is not to kick start the human population again, that has been tried once, and now we see the result, the second round not being any better than the first, abominations abound. If there is a fresh start creation will take a different pathQuote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Revelation was written for those suffering under Nero. Yes, there can be extrapolations into the modern age, but be careful with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Well, Mother Nature is doing a pretty great job getting rid of us with pestilences of various sorts, hurricanes, huge forest fires, floods from melting glaciers, et al.Quote:
abominations abound. If there is a fresh start creation will take a different path
(P.S. My post above about a new Adam and Eve was tongue in cheek.)
John was a little later than Nero in the context of Revelation, since we have been in the last days since Biblical times various judgements have been delivered through the ages and will culminate soonQuote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
John was about 92 when he wrote it (if, indeed, he was the author). Nero (37-68 A.D.) ruled Rome from 54 A.D. until his death by suicide 14 years later.The manner of Nero's death corresponds with the prophecy of Revelation 13:10. Our pastor said Revelation was written in code, and that code has never been deciphered.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
If the "prophecy" refers to Nero then it is history. So let us dispel one untruth, Revelation does not prophesy the death of Nero since Nero was long dead when John wrote Revelation. Since you cast doubt of the authorship , testified by John himself, undoubtedly you doubt the authorship of other parts of the Bible, perhaps the Gospel of John itself.. You would do well to check your references verse 10 of Chapter 13Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
don't see how this could refer to Nero but then it is in "code" and more likely refers to the dispersal of the Jews in 132 ADQuote:
10 “If anyone is to go into captivity, into captivity they will go. If anyone is to be killed with the sword, with the sword they will be killed.”
Kind of hard to imagine how anyone could know that Revelation was written in code when they then admit they cannot decipher the code. At any rate, that view is held by very nearly no one, so with all due respect for your pastor, that is what amounts to a old pastor's wives' tale. There is literally no good reason at all to believe it, or at least none that I've ever heard of.Quote:
Our pastor said Revelation was written in code, and that code has never been deciphered.
“The Trump team has prepared legally required transition memos describing policy challenges, but there are no discussions about actions they could take or pause. Instead, the White House is barreling ahead. A second official tells CNN their goal is to set so many fires that it will be hard for the Biden administration to put them all out.”
https://politicalwire.com/2020/11/18...setting-fires/
The officials are, of course, unnamed. Is that surprising? Rumor mill stuff.
I don't know! All those lawsuits and clown antics by the dufus lawyers...the ones that are still there look like trying to start a fire to me. Trying to throw out the black vote is a sure fire starter.
I guess it was just a matter of time before that accusation was raised. Do you have any evidence, or is this just a baseless charge?Quote:
Trying to throw out the black vote is a sure fire starter.
I don't make baseless charges.
One or the other, my friend. One or the other.Quote:
Do you have any evidence, or is this just a baseless charge?
That's called a "postdiction" - a prophecy after the event. In code in this case.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
A prophecy after the event in some supposed code that no one understands or can explain? Hmmm. I never ceased to be amazed at the strange things people will believe to avoid simply believing the Bible.Quote:
a prophecy after the event. In code in this case.
I'm a preterist.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I had to look that up. Now I'm one, too. For Revelation. I wonder how many of us there are? Two, at least. I think we should march somewhere. Do you do banners?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Yes, there are more of us. Interesting you should ask about banners! I just bought about ten yards of plain cotton-polyester that I plan to cut and dye. Any special design(s) you want on them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Athos
I have no idea how anyone can say the final two or three chapters of Revelation have already taken place. It is utterly impossible unless you want to take the approach that Revelation is some sort of unknown, mysterious code, for which there is simply no evidence whatsoever. No early church father is on record as saying that Revelation is a coded work, or at least as far as I know that does not exist. If it does, perhaps someone could make reference to it, and by that I mean quotes and references.
Everyone is a partial preterist. Daniel, for instance, is partially fulfilled as are many of the OT prophecies concerning Jesus, Isaiah 53 being a good example of that. But to suggest that all of Revelation, or all of Matthew 24 have already taken place is really a stretch. It simply cannot be true, for instance, that the New Jerusalem of the 21st chapter has already come to pass.
so you believe it has already happened and we are in the post millenium of Jesus reign are you a Jehovah's Witness and follow the other concepts of Charles Taze RussellQuote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Tell me when were the waters of the Earth poisioned in the last two thousand years? when did we get a huge meteor shower? why are we still suffering pestilence? why have we had two thousand years of destructive wars? it all should have stopped centuries ago
Nope! JWs aren't the only Christians who believe this.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Why stopped? And where in Revelation is mention of the horrible fires in the US West? And what about the melting ice caps and climate change (because of man's destructive ways) and animals becoming extinct?Quote:
Tell me when were the waters of the Earth poisioned in the last two thousand years? when did we get a huge meteor shower? why are we still suffering pestilence? why have we had two thousand years of destructive wars? it all should have stopped centuries ago
Just because something isn't specifically mentioned doesn't invalidate the argument, In Revelation huge fires are mentioned and the dying, what does 666 mean if not the impact of man. I think you should read it for yourself, because you have already quoted one verse out of context and are obviously sucked into the opinions of one person. Remember you believe it is a code, what is a code but veiled referencesQuote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Jesus millenial reign is a time of peace
Not in the sense she's using it. It would be more like a letter written by one spy to another where certain words have specific meanings known only to them. It's really a shame her pastor told her that, but I suppose she has never checked it out for herself.Quote:
what is a code but veiled references
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