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Me, too. I think he means that liberals on this website have not suggested that their own taxes be raised to help the poor. He seems very upset about that, but I don't know in what context among all the topics and threads discussed here that that issue ever came up. I might still be misunderstanding him. As an independent politically, if it did come up, I might have missed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Why would he think that? or even care? Plus, he has absolutely no idea if and how the "liberals" on this site help others, help the poor, help those struggling financially.Quote:
Originally Posted by Athos
In what form would that help take? free health care? higher welfare payments? free housing? low paid government jobs? free education? just throwing it out there is meaninglessQuote:
Originally Posted by Athos
I agree. Jlsinbe "threw it out there". You'd have to ask him.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
I don't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Don't be stupid. There was no suggestion. I said it plainly. Perhaps you can "expound" on that since you said you like to "expound" so much? Hmmm?Quote:
Me, too. I think he means that liberals on this website have not suggested that their own taxes be raised to help the poor.
How many times must I tell you, grasshopper? You must keep up.Quote:
No. I had responded to this:
Look, A**HOLE, get with the program or get the eff out. You're trying the patience of everyone here.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
the only one who likesQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
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to "expound" so much
That's what your "expounding" looks like? Well, once again, nothing intelligent to say, so you resort to the name calling. Disappointing, but totally expected whenever you get your little feelings hurt.. You don't like it when someone points out your concept of "pain-free charity". Forcing others to support your charitable inclinations isn't much of an exercise in character.Quote:
Look, A**HOLE, get with the program or get the eff out. You're trying the patience of everyone here.
You reap what you sow, A-Man.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Another manufacture from your fevered brain.Quote:
You don't like it when someone points out your concept of "pain-free charity".
You're the last one to talk about character. Making up stuff to suit your belief is not character.Quote:
Forcing others to support your charitable inclinations isn't much of an exercise in character.
This is just another diversion from the issue. A tactic you employ whenever necessary. Since you have nothing to say, and have failed to respond to questions, it is time to put you back in your room and close the door.
Still waiting for you to "expound" on your idea of forcing others to do what you are absolutely not willing to do yourself, and then patting yourself on the back as though you have done something remarkable. I guess if I was in that position, I might try name calling as well. After all, you have nothing else to go with.
Another great comparison would be forcing your sister to enroll in a clinical trials study of a new drug, and then bragging about how much you support medical research.
"Pain-free charity". I like that. 100% accurate.
I have no idea what you're trying to say - nobody else here does, either.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
You know exactly what I'm saying. You just don't like it.Quote:
I have no idea what you're trying to say
This is not an explanation of what you're trying to say. Do you even know?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I understand it very well. So do you, but I guess I'll just have to wait until another day to see how you "expound" on topics.
If you understand it so well, so then ask it here right now and I will answer it.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Well, he's run away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Athos
If anyone was watching this thread, please note that I called his bluff and he backed down unable or unwilling to respond. This is the little girl coming out in him – the little girl that he usually projects onto others.
I apologize for egging him on and taking up space here where serious issues are the norm. Sometimes, dealing with a pest, it is necessary to confront the pest to show him for what he is.
I should have just ignored him which I once did – successfully. But I thought I would give him another chance. That was my mistake.
I don't sit around all day eagerly anticipating your responses. Sometimes a few hours go by while I do other things.
You want a question? OK. Here it is again. Do you consider your morality to be superior simply because you want to legally force others to do (pay higher taxes) what you are absolutely, positively, and completely unwilling to do yourself?
Please try to have some original thoughts rather than just copying mine.Quote:
This is the little girl coming out in him – the little girl that he usually projects onto others.
Nobody is forcing anyone to do a darn thing. We who believe in the American way follow the laws and we work to change them through lawful processes as set forth in our constitution. Don't like taxes? Take your arse someplace else then, or work within the system to make changes.
You have a right to whine and say stupid stuff, and ask weird misleading rhetorical question, but don't expect everybody to buy into it, as obviously I don't. I mean I could ask you the question, Do you think you are morally superior because you give inadequate charity and can quote the words of ancient man?
We vote for our causes and express our opinions and push back against what we don't like because we can. Ain't cha glad about that? Voting Wednesday morning against you wingers and your crap. Win or lose. I honestly have taken a perverse sick pleasure expressing disgust at the current regime, but hope it gets voted out.
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(fm Athos)This is the little girl coming out in him – the little girl that he usually projects onto others.
It's too much fun giving you a taste of your own medicine. LOL.Quote:
(reply fm Jl)Please try to have some original thoughts rather than just copying mine
In law, that's called a compound question and assumes what is not in evidence. However, here's a breakdown as my answer:Quote:
-from Jilsenbe ----- Here it is again (the Question)Do you consider your morality to be superior simply because you want to legally force others to do (pay higher taxes) what you are absolutely, positively, and completely unwilling to do yourself?
NO, I do NOT consider myself morally superior for the reason you state. I do NOT want to legally force others to pay higher taxes. I am absolutely, positively, and completely WILLING to pay higher taxes.
Satisfied?
Yeah what he said. GREAT response. I would add give hard working poor people a raise, but then I would have to listen to all the excuses why they can't have one. Rich people pay all the taxes, but poor people do all the work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Athos
Thank for showing that you know nothing about tax law. Of course it's mandatory. What's wrong with you?Quote:
Nobody is forcing anyone to do a darn thing.
Yes.Quote:
We vote for our causes and express our opinions and push back against what we don't like because we can. Ain't cha glad about that?
Nah. You just can't come up with your own stuff, so you have to copy me. Too bad.Quote:
It's too much fun giving you a taste of your own medicine. LOL.
"Do you consider your morality to be superior simply because you want to legally force others to do (pay higher taxes) what you are absolutely, positively, and completely unwilling to do yourself?"
A little honesty would be nice. You listed what Biden is advocating for several posts back. Guess what was at the core of it. Higher taxes for the wealthy, so you are not being honest in saying that you do not want to "legally force others to pay higher taxes." To say you don't is ridiculous. As far as your taxes are concerned, you say you that are wiling now for them to be higher, but you have NEVER advocated for that before I made it an issue. But thankfully you are now on record as saying your position is not morally superior, so I no longer have to listen to your moralizing about higher taxes. That is a relief to have you on the record. And for the record, I do commend you for actually answering a question. That's a step forward to be sure.Quote:
NO, I do NOT consider myself morally superior for the reason you state. I do NOT want to legally force others to pay higher taxes. I am absolutely, positively, and completely WILLING to pay higher taxes.
Finally. An honest man.Quote:
Rich people pay all the taxes
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Originally Posted by jlisenbe
A little intelligence would be even nicer!Quote:
A little honesty would be nice.
I don't know how you get from one, "higher taxes", to the other, "I want to legally force others to pay higher taxes." If someone doesn't pay taxes, do you expect me to make a citizen's arrest? This is one of the nuttiest things you've ever come up with, and you have come up with some really nutty stuff!Quote:
You listed what Biden is advocating for several posts back. Guess what was at the core of it. Higher taxes for the wealthy, so you are not being honest in saying that you do not want to "legally force others to pay higher taxes.
Maybe you can cite the law that authorizes me to arrest non-tax-payers?
The prize for ridiculous goes to you this week. Second place isn't even close.Quote:
To say you don't is ridiculous.
Of course I never advocated for that before, because, IN YOUR OWN WORDS, YOU YOURSELF JUST MADE IT AN ISSUE! Jl, your frenzy is leading you down a dark path. I mean that seriously, not as a joke.Quote:
As far your taxes are concerned, you say you are wiling now for them to be higher, but you have NEVER advocated for that before I made it an issue.
PS - I also never advocated here for drivers to possess a driver's license. Does that mean I want to illegally force drivers to possess a driver's license? Think before you leap Jl, or you're going to go off the deep end.
Guess what? You NEVER had to listen. It was always totally your choice to make.Quote:
But thankfully I no longer have to listen to your moralizing about higher taxes.
I'm not sure what relief and/or what record. My answer described what was always my belief which should have been obvious to anyone reading what I wrote.Quote:
That is a relief to have you on the record.
For the record, you once demanded what my belief was re Hell. If I responded. you promised to tell your belief.Quote:
And for the record, I do commend you for actually answering a question.
I told you my belief. You said it was not a belief because I said I didn't believe in hell. You said not believing was not a belief. That was an amazing piece of sophistry that even you should have been ashamed of.
To this day, I am waiting for the answer you promised, but you have yet to live up to that promise.
(Jl, this has been one of your worst replies - it was really dumb.)
So you are seriously suggesting that you think we are talking about you personally enforcing tax laws? On what planet full of crazy people would that assumption be made? Still, I'm glad to know that you are now on record as saying, "I do NOT want to legally force others to pay higher taxes." Now why you are supporting the Harris ticket that DOES want to do that very thing is a mystery. Perhaps you can "expound" on that some.Quote:
I don't know how you get from one, "higher taxes", to the other, "I want to legally force others to pay higher taxes." If someone doesn't pay taxes, do you expect me to make a citizen's arrest? This is one of the nuttiest things you've ever come up with, and you have come up with some really nutty stuff!
Maybe you can cite the law that authorizes me to arrest non-tax-payers?
More progress!!Quote:
Of course I never advocated for that before,
That's about the only part of your comments that are worth replying to. It's just amazing how liberals, rather than simply answering a question, have to go to the place of needing a point by point analysis to answer a very simple question. But as I said, I do appreciate your profession that you do not want to legally (by law) force others to pay higher taxes, and that you don't consider your tax proposals, whatever they are, to have any morally superior basis. We have made much progress today! It just goes to show what I have long believed. If you can get a liberal to answer a few questions, then the truth becomes plain. Well, at least it becomes plainER.
You're a NUT! At least be an honest one and quote me fully instead of cherry picking parts of it.
I quoted you exactly. Stop whining. If that's not what you meant to say, then man up and say it more accurately. Don't blame me for your problems.
That would be exactly what I said, and what I meant to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
How does context change the meaning of your quote?Quote:
Rich people pay all the taxes
Simple since the statement was incomplete in your version. I have pointed out to you many times about how you pick out stuff you agree with and dismiss the rest. You destroyed the context I set. Poor people do pay taxes by the way, even before they collect the money they earned. Ever see a rich guy mop a floor? Not even his own. You never answer the basic question, how rich is a guy that can AFFORD to pay 87% of the government budget and still be rich enough to not miss it?
But go ahead and keep whining about the taxes you are forced to pay! Blame it on those liberals, even though the elected conservatives do it too.
You don't need to tell me that. You need to tell YOU that. You are the one who said that rich people pay all the taxes. If that's not what you meant, then why did you say it?Quote:
Poor people do pay taxes by the way
I expected you and everyone else to understand exactly what I meant, or figure it out. My bad for forgetting you are a strictly literal reader.
I see now! You actually meant that everyone should vote for Trump instead of the harris/Biden ticket. Gosh that’s so easy!! I really like that non-literal reading.
You're a NUT!
I'm just following the new rules of non-literal reading introduced by you. Remember how we're just supposed to "figure out" your meaning? In other words, don't read your words, but read your mind. And you think I'm the nut? Instead of calling names, why don't you do us all a favor and learn how to write more clearly.
take your own advice, better still refrain from giving advice since you really have no ideaQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
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Still, I'm glad to know that you are now on record as saying, "I do NOT want to legally force others to pay higher taxes." Now why you are supporting the Harris ticket that DOES want to do that very thing is a mystery. Perhaps you can "expound" on that some.
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More progress!!
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That's about the only part of your comments that are worth replying to. It's just amazing how liberals, rather than simply answering a question, have to go to the place of needing a point by point analysis to answer a very simple question.
Tal said it best - YOU'RE NUTS!!Quote:
But as I said, I do appreciate your profession that you do not want to legally (by law) force others to pay higher taxes, and that you don't consider your tax proposals, whatever they are, to have any morally superior basis. We have made much progress today! It just goes to show what I have long believed. If you can get a liberal to answer a few questions, then the truth becomes plain. Well, at least it becomes plainER.
Just pointing out the obvious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Athos
Definition of "nut". "A person who raises questions for which you have no answers." Like I say, when you have nothing intelligent to say, then you get frustrated and resort to your junior high persona. I do feel like progress has definitely been made, however. We actually have Athos on record with some clear statements.
- 1. "NO, I do NOT consider myself morally superior for the reason you state." (because you want to legally force others to {pay higher taxes})
2. "I do NOT want to legally force others to pay higher taxes."
3. "I am absolutely, positively, and completely WILLING to pay higher taxes."
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/report.php?p=3859314
Now he is supporting the Harris ticket which supports legally forcing the wealthy to pay much higher tax rates while NOT raising his tax rates, so those seem to be hollow beliefs, but at least it provides a basis for further discussion. You cannot, I might add, resort to your usual, "JL misquoted me" complaint, a complaint for which you are never able to cite so much as a single example. I copied and pasted your quotes above.
I had Tal on record with a statement. "Rich people pay all the taxes". However, he then went on to admit he had misstated his position and acknowledged that poor people pay taxes, which raises the question of why he said that rich people pay "all" the taxes in the first place. Oh well. Then, quite naturally, he complained that I had taken his words "literally". As is usually the case with liberals, their mistakes are always someone else's fault. That must be a very pleasant world to live in.
No you have been pointing out for months that rich people pay taxes, 80% of taxes and as I pointed out to you, it doesn't matter what the tax rate is, that statistic will remain, because it is a statistic and statistics arn't facts they are just statistics
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nutQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
6a: a o foolish, eccentric, or crazy person
You NUT! The full quote was copy and pasted and you ignored it all but what sounded good to you. I didn't misstate a darn thing, YOU DID! You do it all the time and expect people to go for it which is pure insanity.Quote:
I had Tal on record with a statement. "Rich people pay all the taxes". However, he then went on to admit he had misstated his position and acknowledged that poor people pay taxes, which raises the question of why he said that rich people pay "all" the taxes in the first place. Oh well. Then, quite naturally, he complained that I had taken his words "literally". As is usually the case with liberals, their mistakes are always someone else's fault. That must be a very pleasant world to live in.
You aren't even a good literalist because you edit out relevant parts for your own purpose.
Well OK then. You believe the rich pay all the taxes. That's what, according to you, you stated and not misstated. I'm fine with that. Just trying to get you fine with standing by your own words and not blaming it all on someone else. I edited out nothing. I quoted it exactly as you said it and the context changed nothing in its meaning. First you accuse me of being too literal, and then you claim you misstated nothing. I think you don't like being in a trap of your own making. I guess that's what gets you so excited and worked up all the time. You need learn how to become a little calmer and a lot more rational.Quote:
I didn't misstate a darn thing
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