Ask Me Help Desk - Trump's Tax Bombshell

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The finances of the president is our business.

Oh? Then how about the VP, or the Speaker of the House, or every senator and SCOTUS justice? Where does it stop? Governors? Mayors? Dog catchers? YOU???

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Maybe you wingers don't care where he gets his money, or what he did to get it, but you should just in case he is a crook or in hock to Vlad or the Arabs, or even the Philippine's, or some other dictator or nefarious institution that needs to launder big bucks.

Maybe we should know yours "just in case" you are a crook? There are those who believe in big government knowing everything, and then there are those who believe in limited government which allows a person's personal business to remain his personal business.

hmmmmm

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the New York Times paid zero federal income tax in 2017 on earnings of $111 million 2018

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First Amendment allows the press to publish newsworthy information that was legally obtained by reporters even when those in power fight to keep it hidden. That powerful principle of the First Amendment applies here."

What is in bold is what is relevant . There is no way the records were legally obtained .

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There is no way the records were legally obtained .

That is the big question.

unless Trump gave them to the Slimes or he approved their disclosure then they were illegally obtained. I'm sure the Slimes will say 'whistle blower'

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Oh? Then how about the VP, or the Speaker of the House, or every senator and SCOTUS justice? Where does it stop? Governors? Mayors? Dog catchers? YOU???Maybe we should know yours "just in case" you are a crook? There are those who believe in big government knowing everything, and then there are those who believe in limited government which allows a person's personal business to remain his personal business.

Makes logical sense to know if any elected official is a crook, and even Nixon agreed with that. Him and his VP were crooks. The first red flag should have been not disclosing finances and maybe LYING about it? Every elected official volunteers that information so I can only conclude you don't care to know the truth about your presidents finances, so whatever he says you just accept. Even King Reagan said trust but verify.

You want to keep your business finances a secret, then don't run for elected office. You want to do the PEOPLES business then tell them about it and back it up with documents. One thing we know as FACT is the dufus makes the government reserve rooms at his resorts just in case he decides to visit. That's a pretty convenient revenue stream for his golf resorts.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

unless Trump gave them to the Slimes or he approved their disclosure then they were illegally obtained. I'm sure the Slimes will say 'whistle blower'

That would make it legal, or a National Security issue.

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maybe LYING about it?

Do you know anything for certain? Well, we do know two things for certain. Obama lied about Benghazi, and was not truthful about Obamacare. Predictably, that does not bother you.

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Every elected official volunteers that information so I can only conclude you don't care to know the truth about your presidents finances, so whatever he says you just accept. Even King Reagan said trust but verify.

No they don't. SOME of them give out tax info, but very few make their business dealings public. And why should they? Can you give the law that mandates this, or is it just what you would prefer?

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That would make it legal, or a National Security issue.

the law is clear

26 U.S. Code § 7213 (3) makes it illegal to disclose unauthorized information, including tax returns

It shall be unlawful for any person to whom any return or return information (as defined in section 6103(b) is disclosedi in a manner unauthorized by this title thereafter willfully to print or publish in any manner not provided by law any such return or return information. Any violation of this paragraph shall be a felony punishable by a fine in any amount not exceeding $5,000, or imprisonment of not more than 5 years, or both, together with the costs of prosecution

There is no protection for the Slimes if they publish protected documents that are illegally obtained .

Here's a thought. If the dems in the House were so worried about the tax code, they could have presented alternatives during that waste of time known as the impeachment hearing. Did they? No.

Amazon, Netflix, and Chevron paid NO taxes in 2018.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Do you know anything for certain? Well, we do know two things for certain. Obama lied about Benghazi, and was not truthful about Obamacare. Predictably, that does not bother you.

Of course you are deluded or mistaken of facts. I go with deluded because despite being presented with fact you still hang on to your own made up truth.

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No they don't. SOME of them give out tax info, but very few make their business dealings public. And why should they? Can you give the law that mandates this, or is it just what you would prefer?

I can get with a law that makes such info mandatory to disclose.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Here's a thought. If the dems in the House were so worried about the tax code, they could have presented alternatives during that waste of time known as the impeachment hearing. Did they? No.

Amazon, Netflix, and Chevron paid NO taxes in 2018.

I've long said that corporation paid no taxes, and been against it, as well as closing loopholes. The dems probably have or had many bills along those lines but repubs will NEVER allow that.

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Of course you are deluded or mistaken of facts. I go with deluded because despite being presented with fact

Fine. Give me a fact. I'd love to see one. And just to be clear, a fact is that which can be proven to be true. Not innuendo. Not conjecture. Facts.

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The dems probably have or had many bills along those lines but repubs will NEVER allow that.

Sure they did. List them. That's another one of your "facts" I'd love to see. And just as a reminder, the dems are in charge of the House.

Dems have had the house since Jan. 03, 2019, a bit more than a year and half, repubs have been in control for how long, and what did they do again? Let's deal with your fact(?).

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Originally Posted by tomder55;385860[/QUOTE

What is in bold is what is relevant . There is no way the records were legally obtained .

Here is what is in BOLD:

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First Amendment allows the press to publish newsworthy information that was legally obtained by reporters even when those in power fight to keep it hidden. That powerful principle of the First Amendment applies here."

Note how Tomder has conveniently, and misleadingly, left out the key words BY REPORTERS.

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Dems have had the house since Jan. 03, 2019, a bit more than a year and half, repubs have been in control for how long, and what did they do again? Let's deal with your fact(?).

The repubs DID change the tax code when they had the House. The dems did NOT change the tax code when they had the House. There are your facts. Be honest.

Now you might not like what the repubs did, but it is absolutely true that they did change the code when they had the opportunity and your guys did not. I guess they were too busy with their impeachment rabbit chase.

As a matter of the any changes to the law require a bill passed by both House and Senate, and signed by the president. So your statement the house changed the tax code is woefully inaccurate and NOT based in fact.

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As a matter of the any changes to the law require a bill passed by both House and Senate, and signed by the president. So your statement the house changed the tax code is woefully inaccurate and NOT based in fact.

Since your memory is plainly faulty, here is the original statement. " If the dems in the House were so worried about the tax code, they could have presented alternatives during that waste of time known as the impeachment hearing. Did they?"

It was not said that they changed the tax code. They never even PROPOSED a change. Nothing. Nada. Zilch. You get it now???

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400 bills while they were impeaching the dufus. Repubs should be so productive.

Those post offices needed to be named .

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Those post offices needed to be named .

House Democrats have passed a wide range of bills since they came to power in January, ranging from a sweeping anti-corruption and pro-democracy reform known as H.R.1, to bills to save net neutrality, pass universal background checks for guns, and reenter the United States into the Paris climate accords.

Health care

House Resolution 259 — Medicaid Extenders Act of 2019
H.R. 271 — Condemning the Trump Administration’s Legal Campaign to Take Away Americans’ Health Care
H.R. 986 — Protecting Americans with Preexisting Conditions Act of 2019
H.R. 987 — Strengthening Health Care and Lowering Prescription Drug Costs Act
H.R. 1520, the Purple Book Continuity Act (bill aimed at lowering the cost of prescription drugs)
H.R. 1503, the Orange Book Transparency Act of 2019 (bill aimed at lowering the cost of prescription drugs)

Civil rights

H.R. 1 — For the People Act of 2019
H.R. 5 — Equality Act
H.R. 6 — American Dream and Promise Act
H.R. 7 — Paycheck Fairness Act
H.R. 124 — Expressing opposition to banning service in the Armed Forces by openly transgender individuals

Gun control

H.R. 8 — Bipartisan Background Checks Act of 2019
H.R. 1112 — Enhanced Background Checks Act of 2019

Environment

H.R. 9 — Climate Action Now Act
H.R. 1331 — Local Water Protection Act
S. 47 — National Resources Management Act
H.R. 2578 — National Flood Insurance Program Extension Act of 2019
H.R. 205, 1146, 1941 — Banning Offshore Drilling on Atlantic, Pacific, Eastern Gulf and ANWR Coasts

Military/foreign affairs

H.R. 840 — Veterans’ Access to Child Care Act
H.J. Res. 37 — Directing the removal of United States Armed Forces from hostilities in the Republic of Yemen that have not been authorized by Congress
S.J. Res. 7 — To direct the removal of United States Armed Forces from hostilities in the Republic of Yemen that have not been authorized by Congress
H.R. 31 — Caesar Syria Civilian Protection Act of 2019
H.J. Res. 30 — Disapproving the President’s proposal to take an action relating to the application of certain sanctions with respect to the Russian Federation
H.R. 4695 — Protect Against Conflict by Turkey Act
H.R. 676 — NATO Support Act
H.R. 549 — Venezuela TPS Act

Mueller report

H. Con. Res. 24 — Expressing the sense of Congress that the report of Special Counsel Mueller should be made available to the public and to Congress

Other major legislation

H.R. 1585 — Violence Against Women Reauthorization Act of 2019
H.R. 987 — Raise the Wage Act
H.R. 1500 — Consumers First Act
H.R. 1994 — SECURE Act/Gold Star Family Tax Relief Act
H.R. 2722 — Securing America’s Federal Elections (SAFE) Act
H.R. 4617 — Stopping Harmful Interference in Elections for a Lasting Democracy (SHIELD) Act
H.R. 1644 — Save the Internet Act of 2019
H.R. 2157 — Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2019
H.R. 397 — Rehabilitation for Multiemployer Pensions Act (The Butch Lewis Act)
H.R. 2513 — The Corporate Transparency Act
H.R. 269 — Pandemic and All-Hazards Preparedness and Advancing Innovation Act of 2019
H.R. 251 — Chemical Facility Anti-Terrorism Standards Program Extension Act
S.24 — Government Employee Fair Treatment Act of 2019
H.R. 430 — TANF Extension Act of 2019
Concurring in the Senate Amendments to HR 251 — Chemical Facility Anti-Terrorism Standard Program Extension Act
H.R. 790 — Federal Civilian Workforce Pay Raise Fairness Act of 2019
HJ Res. 46 — Relating to a national emergency declared by the President on February 15, 2019
H Res. 183 — Condemning anti-Semitism as hateful expressions of intolerance that are contradictory to the values and aspirations that define the people of the United States and condemning anti-Muslim discrimination and bigotry against minorities as hateful expressions of intolerance that are contrary to the values and aspirations of the United States, as amended
H Res. 194 — Rule Providing for Consideration of H.R. 1644 and H.R. 2021
H.R. 2480 — Child Abuse Prevention and Treatment Act
H.R. 375 — To amend the Indian Reorganization Act of 1934 to reaffirm the authority of the Secretary of the Interior to take land into trust for Indian Tribes (also known as the “Carcieri Fix”)

And once again.

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Since your memory is plainly faulty, here is the original statement. " If the dems in the House were so worried about the tax code, they could have presented alternatives during that waste of time known as the impeachment hearing. Did they?"

It was not said that they changed the tax code. They never even PROPOSED a change. Nothing. Nada. Zilch. You get it now???

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Uhm...you do realize that ACB is a woman???

What's your point?

The silly cartoon about the glass ceiling. There is no indication ACB will do anything to hinder women getting promotions. Ridiculous idea. Now she might do something to help preserve the lives of the 450,000 females killed in abortions every year.

Yeah, those democrats sure know how to handle the COVID crisis. "New York City's daily positivity rate tops 3% amid 'alarming increase' in COVID-19 cases." We sure need to elect a dem for pres so he can continue that sterling record. After all, is there any place more locked down that NYC?

https://abcnews.go.com/US/york-citys-daily-positivity-rate-tops-amid-alarming/story?id=73318028

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

The silly cartoon about the glass ceiling. There is no indication ACB will do anything to hinder women getting promotions. Ridiculous idea. Now she might do something to help preserve the lives of the 450,000 females killed in abortions every year.

Talk about silly. It ain't about just promotions, its RIGHTS in general and not just for women, and the right wing tearing down the legacy of a great jurist. That's the fear on the left still in mourning over a great loss and caught in the hypocrisy of conservative politics. The stealing of an Obama pick without the decency of hearings or a vote with the excuse of a coming election was outrageous but not nearly as the push to confirm this nominee before the election.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Yeah, those democrats sure know how to handle the COVID crisis. "New York City's daily positivity rate tops 3% amid 'alarming increase' in COVID-19 cases." We sure need to elect a dem for pres so he can continue that sterling record. After all, is there any place more locked down that NYC?

https://abcnews.go.com/US/york-citys-daily-positivity-rate-tops-amid-alarming/story?id=73318028

Masks, hygiene, distancing, and lockdowns are all we have for now to combat this virus.

The glass ceiling is largely about promotions. Thus it comes out as, "There is a glass ceiling that prevents women from moving up in a business." The general discussion of rights is a separate area.

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Masks, hygiene, distancing, and lockdowns are all we have for now to combat this virus.

Yeah. Working real well, isn't it? The point, of course, is that Biden's eagerness to have a national lockdown would seem to be foolish in light of the Big Apple's experience.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

The glass ceiling is largely about promotions. Thus it comes out as, "There is a glass ceiling that prevents women from moving up in a business." The general discussion of rights is a separate area.

I completely understand the need to breakdown large complex issues into smaller discussions and am aware it took decades of tough hard work to be the respected ICON RBG is. Basically I was reacting to your over simplification of the perceived differences between RBG and ACB, with my own. At this point there really is no comparison nor should there be.

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Yeah. Working real well, isn't it? The point, of course, is that Biden's eagerness to have a national lockdown would seem to be foolish lot of in light of the Big Apple's experience.

Well you obviously must contain the virus, ergo shutdown and severely limit human contact and interactions in the affected area. As the level of spread diminishes to manageable levels you open up and deal accordingly. Don't worry, it seems that everybody will get that message sooner or later, and hopefully make proper adjustments. I don't remember Biden saying a national lockdown is appropriate, but he did say it could be very necessary where infection levels and deaths are unmanageably high.

You see what's happening across the country, and a thousand deaths and 40/50 thousand new cases average a day is not good by any means. I'm sure you can agree with that.

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Basically I was reacting to your over simplification of the perceived differences between RBG and ACB, with my own. At this point there really is no comparison nor should there be.

Right.

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Well you obviously must contain the virus, ergo shutdown and severely limit human contact and interactions in the affected area.

That was kind of the point. Who is more committed to that than NYC, and yet they are a basket case.

the inside baseball story behind the NY spike is in the zip codes that it is happening in . By me Spring Valley and Monsey have spiked to over 25% . This is a community with a heavy Orthodox Hassidic population . The same is true in the Brooklyn and Queens districts that spiked .

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

That was kind of the point. Who is more committed to that than NYC, and yet they are a basket case.

Maybe so but not a lot of options at the moment.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

the inside baseball story behind the NY spike is in the zip codes that it is happening in . By me Spring Valley and Monsey have spiked to over 25% . This is a community with a heavy Orthodox Hassidic population . The same is true in the Brooklyn and Queens districts that spiked .

Family and generational living conditions I bet. Isolation/quarantine is still the only option.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

the inside baseball story behind the NY spike is in the zip codes that it is happening in . By me Spring Valley and Monsey have spiked to over 25% . This is a community with a heavy Orthodox Hassidic population . The same is true in the Brooklyn and Queens districts that spiked .

so now you have the Jews in your sights, showing your Nazi tendencies Tom

I think you misread Tom's post Clete. NY is a huge metropolis made up of many cultures and people. Congested to the max and highly susceptible to this virus. It doesn't take much or long to have a spike with or without a spreader event, and any religious gathering is a spreader event despite all the cautions in the world.

The first NFL game was cancelled, hopefully to be made up later, but the lesson the sports teams are illustrating is isolate and quarantine infected people immediately and with schools trying to open in class, they cannot afford not to keep that option open as a frontline tool to combat this virus. 11 states have spikes in new cases and the pressure to return to normal without a testing/isolation plan is insane.

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so now you have the Jews in your sights, showing your Nazi tendencies Tom

Great detective work there, Clete, finding out that, yeah, ole Tom is indeed a Nazi. Now you can do your work on finding out his SS connections and the story of his escape from Allied arrest after WW2.

What little credibility Clete had on this site is now completely up in smoke.

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so now you have the Jews in your sights, showing your Nazi tendencies Tom

you are a moron . There is perhaps no one more supportive of Jews on this board than me . What I gave you is the facts PERIOD !
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/25/n...mmunities.html

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

What little credibility Clete had on this site is now completely up in smoke.

So I've joined you in the ranks

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Originally Posted by tomder55

you are a moron . There is perhaps no one more supportive of Jews on this board than me . What I gave you is the facts PERIOD !
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/25/n...mmunities.html

Tom you could have identified religious meetings without being specific to as you stressed orthadox hassidic jews

why ? It is that specific group that is the problem . il duce ;due to the political correctness you suddenly advocate ,tried to identify the problem by giving the area codes where the spikes occur . Well I live in one of those neighborhoods ;and I can tell you without any doubt ,that the reason we spiked is because the Hassidic community openly defies covid regulations about masks AND especially social distancing . You see the Guv and his minions are quick to come down on Christians who gather to worship . But I have seen a number of times when they overlook this problem .
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Tom you could have identified religious meetings without being specific to as you stressed orthadox hassidic jews

What a weak, weak defense. Even if it was true, to suggest that Tom is a Nazi was just completely stupid. You would have been much better served to have simply apologized and moved on. I disagree with many on this site including you, but that does not make them a Nazi, racist, or fascist. Disagreement without name calling can actually be done. And before you want to make the equally dumb statement that I have called names, just be aware that I will ask you for specifics.

You're more a nasty insinuating provocateur than a name caller JL, and a smart aleck snob to boot as well as borderline abusive. Me I'm a name caller. No evidence or examples needed for me or you!