Ask Me Help Desk - DANGER! Trump Wants Election Delayed

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School teachers will wear masks? Students will wear masks? All will social distance? I used to teach school. I see problems ahead.

welcome to the new reality . What makes teachers so special besides their unions . I used to hear that teaching was the most essential profession . Now they rank below grocery clerks and factory workers ?

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. Ask yourself, how does the economy recover when there is nothing to buy and sell?

exactly But we will all be 'safe' in our hermetically sealed bubbles .

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I agree with WG - Trump dips his toe in the water to see what is possible. He never just is "messin'" with Dems.

Under which law would he delay the election ? Election dates are set by Congress. What do you think he will do ; hide underneath the Resolute Desk ? If he loses the election he is gone. But he loves feeding all your paranoia .

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What nicer gift to a friend named Vlad than withdrawing troops from Germany

why continue defending German beer halls ? If NATO troops are needed then they are needed in Poland and the Baltic States . You want to talk about cozy relations with Putin you should look at Merkel's .

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Anything Vlad could do is unlikely to affect the outcome, and moving troops to Poland isn't weakening NATO, just putting Germany in its place and Vlad on notice

Thank you . At least you get strategic thinking .

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It's not the troop movements Clete, so much as the dufus framing the rhetoric toward our allies that is offensive.

Why do we need to stroke them ? He called them out for not contributing their share. Germany hasn't come close to reaching their 2% commitment . So let them defend the Hofbrauhaus themselves .

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Have you considered that it is time to put soviet era ideas in the waste bin of history

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Under which law would he delay the election ? Election dates are set by Congress. What do you think he will do ;

Law means nothing to Trump. With the backing of Barr and the Repub senate, Trump could cause plenty of confusion.

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If he loses the election he is gone.

In a normal world, yes. We're not living in a normal world.

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But he loves feeding all your paranoia.

To what purpose? Why are you supporting Trump. I thought you didn't like him.

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If NATO troops are needed then they are needed in Poland and the Baltic States

They are being relocated to the US, Italy, and Belgium.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Germany hasn't come close to reaching their 2% commitment .

It has paid more than any other European country and has recently increased its payments by 10%. In any case, it's far ahead of Italy and Belgium where the troops are headed.

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We do have a common interest in defeating jihadistan and containing the rise of a belligerent China. When China looks for lebensraum and resources they have been importing ,then Siberia has to look tempting .

Not a chance.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

welcome to the new reality . What makes teachers so special besides their unions . I used to hear that teaching was the most essential profession . Now they rank below grocery clerks and factory workers ?e

I was never in a union. So you'd now, with covid running loose, happily teach a classroom of thirty active, maybe coughing and sneezing (silly, it's just a cold!), third and fourth graders?

like I said ;welcome to the new reality
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Law means nothing to Trump. With the backing of Barr and the Repub senate, Trump could cause plenty of confusion.

nope he would be escorted out of the Oval office. The only way he could hold onto power would be if the military backed his coup attempt . Amazing to me how much projection is in these irrational fears . The only case I see if people trying to overturn the results of an election were the Democrats for the last 4 years .

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Why are you supporting Trump. I thought you didn't like him.

What choice do I have ? Quid Pro Joe and his commie running mate ? I'm thinking of voting for Jo Jorgensen . But I am not thrilled with the Libertarian foreign policy .

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They are being relocated to the US, Italy, and Belgium.

Italy makes sense . We could've responded quicker to Benghazi if the emperor had even bothered to respond at all .

Besides we are also sending troops to Poland
https://taskandpurpose.com/news/us-p...resence-poland

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Originally Posted by tomder55

like I said ;welcome to the new reality
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Now show me a photo of third and fourth graders -- and the wiggly, active preschoolers I taught for three years. (We can't do quiet storytime the entire time they're in school. We line up for bathroom break and for recess, we do a lot of hands-on, moving-around activities. Hmm, tomder.)

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/in...ol/ar-BB17qJ24

Hope those newly opened schools can afford those covid related expenses. Do kids still go to school when their parents get the virus? Do parents still go to work when the kids get the virus?

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Amazing to me how much projection is in these irrational fears .

Clearly, you haven't been paying attention to the news for the last three-and-a-half years.

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What choice do I have

Your choice is the Dem candidate who will Make America Great Again! Not a tough choice.

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We could've responded quicker to Benghazi if the emperor had even bothered to respond at all

You guys will just never drop Benghazi even though your own people exonerated Obama eight times. It's all you got, and it's pathetic.

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Besides we are also sending troops to Poland

That's old news, tomder. It was from over a year ago and has been delayed because of payment for the troops. Tricky, aren't you?

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Originally Posted by talaniman

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/in...ol/ar-BB17qJ24

Hope those newly opened schools can afford those covid related expenses. Do kids still go to school when their parents get the virus? Do parents still go to work when the kids get the virus?

When you isolate you isolate, otherwise you are likely to spread the virus

Just to get on the lighter side
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALGkQq3RJ7k

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When you isolate you isolate, otherwise you are likely to spread the virus

Like that dictatorial draconian lock down imposed on Melbourne ?

20 countries have reopened their schools.Some others, including Taiwan, and Sweden, never closed their schools.
I already linked to a letter by American pediatrics urging schools to reopen . There is a similar one from Brit pediatrics .
https://www.rcpch.ac.uk/sites/defaul...2020-06-17.pdf

The National Institute of Public Health and Environment in Netherlands also endorses reopening .
https://www.rivm.nl/en/novel-coronav...n-and-covid-19

American Academy of Pediatrics has published sensible guidelines and urges the reopening of schools .
https://services.aap.org/en/pages/20...on-in-schools/

Austria reopened schools and after a short while stopped the mask requirements because officials observed little spread of the virus . Seems to be that the younger the child the less likely to either catch the disease or to be a spreader (to answer your question about "third and fourth graders -- and the wiggly, active preschoolers "
Data from France shows that when a student gets the virus ,they are bringing it from home and not contracting it from the school . Japan began reopening schools in June. Parents must take their children’s temperature every morning and provide a report to the schools. Finland reopened schools in May and have retained their standard class size, but have kept classes separated from each other and staggered reopening by age.They have found “ no evidence of school spread and no change in the rate of infection” for students under 16.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...9e0_story.html

The teacher's unions are not interested in the best interests of the students . I guarantee if the emperor were still President or if Evita had won they would be itching to get back to work .

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Like that dictatorial draconian lock down imposed on Melbourne ?

That has been imposed because the message was being ignored, people behaving like nothing was happening

https://www.news.com.au/finance/busi...26a7f5294bf960

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-...kdown/12518200

https://www.news.com.au/national/que...aaa813b3814364

the lock down rules are intolerable .I agree with distancing ,mask wearing ,and sanitizing . That is the protocol that works good enough . Forcibly quarantine those that break the rules . Why punish the people who comply ?

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Originally Posted by tomder55

the lock down rules are intolerable .I agree with distancing ,mask wearing ,and sanitizing . That is the protocol that works good enough . Forcibly quarantine those that break the rules . Why punish the people who comply ?

these rules are not punishing the people who comply they would be taking these actions anyway, they are punishing those who don't comply by getting their attention and forcing them to demonstrate the required behaviour. You may not realise that a quarter of those quarantined as active cases were not complying. How do you identify them short of locking them up as the criminals they are

you live in a society where idiots are allowed to roam the streets with weapons, we do not and being an active cv19 case is no different, the virus kills just as effectively and 200 have lost their lives here so far, that is far more than have died from gun fire and surprisingly from seasonal flu. Contrast this with the experience in your nation, your "freedom" has brought you millions of infections and 150,000 dead, so yes, the lockdown is tolerable if the rules are followed

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-...fines/12520954

Leave it to conservatives and dufusites to make a crucial safety measure during a global pandemic a punishment.

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USPS seems to handle Xmas pretty well, and get rid of the dufus sycophant in charge, the election will be just as good.

Everything the dufus touches DIES! Look at the repub party, the dufus charities, or bankruptcies! Then there is that banking and insurance fraud investigations, and all the presidents men going to jail AND he is still an unindicted co-conspirator in the Michael Cohen case.

I rest my case!

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USPS seems to handle Xmas pretty well,

very debatable ;and they are given weeks to deliver . Mail in ballots have a deadline .btw they are still counting the Dem primary ballots here in NY 5 weeks later, and there will probably be a recount, I rest my case .

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Originally Posted by talaniman

USPS seems to handle Xmas pretty well, and get rid of the dufus sycophant in charge, the election will be just as good.

Everything the dufus touches DIES! Look at the repub party, the dufus charities, or bankruptcies! Then there is that banking and insurance fraud investigations, and all the presidents men going to jail AND he is still an unindicted co-conspirator in the Michael Cohen case.

I rest my case!

Too bad Trump didn't have drop-in ballot boxes installed.

"Yet one relatively inexpensive countermeasure has not yet been widely used to smooth polling place voting, at least not yet, due to a mix of administrative hurdles and partisan obstruction. That remedy is drop boxes—akin to mailboxes—that can safely and securely accept and hold hundreds to several thousand ballot envelopes."
https://www.laprogressive.com/ballot-drop-boxes/

Why Trump ? States run elections . "We do think that states should be deploying more of these,” Arbitrarily allowing them is unconstitutional State legislatures have to set up uniform rules on the use of drop boxes .Instead they set up different rules and policies across the state, creating a patchwork system that violates equal protection. In Pennsylvania local election officials made the call on a district by district basis. Still there were massive delays in the Penn. primary even though Biden ran unopposed . In some cases ballots were delivered in envelopes that were not provided by the state for secrecy for the purpose of keeping the ballots anonymous[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif] . Those were still counted . [/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]2016 Trump won Penn by 1 % about 44,000 votes and that state was one of the pivotal states in his victory . I can see a number of states being too close to call where hand counting mail in ballots will decide it . The States have to decide on electors in December and Congress has to certify the results in early January . Good luck with that if there is a reliance on counting mail in ballots ,recounts ,and the inevitable court challenges . [/FONT]

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Why Trump ?

Because he's our president. He calls the shots, doesn't he? He can urge governors to do this so voters can feel confident their votes will be correctly handled and counted.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Because he's our president. He calls the shots, doesn't he? He can urge governors to do this so voters can feel confident their votes will be correctly handled and counted.

No WG, he would rather whine about the fix is in like he did in 2016, rather than unite the country. Repubs are always whining about fraud. That's why they support a lying cheating stealing big mouth bully. They've already plotted to close polling places in urban communities, and purge the voting rolls at record levels, while still looking for those millions of illegals that voted for HC.

it is not Governor's call State legislatures decide how the vote is taken .Congress can also set the terms on how a state can conduct a Presidential election.

I don't have as much confidence in drop boxes as you have . They are not monitored and are not secure ,especially in states where they are kept outdoors .

But that is still not the biggest issue with voting outside of the designated polling places where poll watchers at least monitor the election. Ballot harvesting has the biggest potential for fraud . Collecting and delivering other people's ballots should NOT be permitted unless that person is designated by the voter to represent them ,and that person can be properly identified as a representative for the voter .This should only be allowed in extreme cases when a person is not physically able to cast a ballot themselves .

Yet in June ,the Dem House passed a bill that would mandate “ballot harvesting” nationwide, letting paid activists canvass neighborhoods to collect absentee votes. The bill would also force states to count mail ballots that arrive after Election Day, as long as the postmark meets that date. In that case, the next President could be in doubt for weeks.

Ballot access is important, but so is ballot integrity. In exchange for the convenience, mail votes should have to be postmarked several days in advance of the election ,and ban the use of ballot harvesting .If the Dems fear that Donald Trump will try to delegitimize November’s result, why not deny him that by eliminating his biggest objections ? You don't have to answer that . We both really know the Dems motivation for reducing transparency in the process.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

No WG, he would rather whine about the fix is in like he did in 2016, rather than unite the country.

Like his unifying comments on the pandemic: "It is what it is" and why he didn't go to John Lewis's funeral, "He didn't come to my inauguration, he didn't come to my State of the Union speeches...and nobody has done more for Black Americans than I have."

@ Tom, the secretary of state is the top election official

https://www.kansascity.com/news/poli...244601752.html

Even repubs have figured out mail in ballots are doable. Have for a long time.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Like his unifying comments on the pandemic: "It is what it is" and why he didn't go to John Lewis's funeral, "He didn't come to my inauguration, he didn't come to my State of the Union speeches...and nobody has done more for Black Americans than I have."

Will he blame those ungrateful black people if he loses?

He will blame everyone and anyone because the ego cannot know defeat, he was lucky the last time, he appealed to a lot of disenfranchised people but the circumstances are different this time and he knows it

We have had almost 4 years of his lying cheating and stealing and bulling bluster and blaming others for his own dufus incompetence. The law is dead on his arse, and he could be impeached AGAIN!

if's and maybes not a reason not to elect him again

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Originally Posted by paraclete

if's and maybes not a reason not to elect him again

"We have had almost 4 years of his lying cheating and stealing and bulling bluster and blaming others for his own dufus incompetence." is!

now there is a reason, but swapping the incompetent you know for the incompetent you don't know, the horns of a dilemma

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Originally Posted by paraclete

now there is a reason, but swapping the incompetent you know for the incompetent you don't know, the horns if a dilema

That "incompetent we don't know" was our vice president for eight years. No dilemma.

We know the dufus opponent very well after 8 years and he was markedly nowhere near as incompetent as the dufus has been in his first term...in my opinion, though some disagree, but that's why we vote.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

We know the dufus opponent very well after 8 years and he was markedly nowhere near as incompetent as the dufus has been in his first term...in my opinion, though some disagree, but that's why we vote.

yes but now that septigenarian is four years older and he has been out of the game for four years

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Originally Posted by paraclete

yes but now that septigenarian is four years older and he has been out of the game for four years

That's not a compelling reason not to vote for old Joe now Clete, and the dufus isn't someone I would vote for in the first place, and he is an old coot too!

Old Joe has more than 40 years experience to bolster him up, who took 4 years off because of the death of his son. The dufus is a silver spooned coddled arsehole, who has done some underhanded despicable stuff, and bankrupted casinos and abused charities! Just sayin'.

Ole Joe has a much better track record, and less baggage.

I think it is a compelling reason not to vote for either of them

I've watched them both over the decades, and this choice is a veritable no brainer given that choice.

Go JOE GO!

Yes you are spoiled for choice, the devil you know V the devil you know. Hobson's choice really which means you are screwed either way

see what it takes to make your donkey go

http://gph.is/1UBmG2J

a donkey led recovery?

Dems are the symbolic donkey party, and yes I'm betting they will lead the recovery once we get the dufus and those elephants out of the way.