Let the Independence Day fireworks begin !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCIsI7EUYL8
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Let the Independence Day fireworks begin !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCIsI7EUYL8
https://www.penncapital-star.com/com...rick-douglass/Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Watching our dufus 's divisive campaign speech to celebrate the 4th of July on Native land brought these words home.
[QUOTE=talaniman;3855659]https://www.penncapital-star.com/commentary/what-to-the-slave-is-the-fourth-of-july-frederick-douglass/[/QUOTE]
That is an incredibly powerful speech by Douglas. I had never seen it before and it is steeped in the formality of oratory of 150 years go, but it loses nothing and remains a masterpiece of clear thinking and powerful persuasion. Douglas has said what many of us have thought, but only in a shadowy way and lacking the skill to make of it anything but shadowy thinking. Here we have it laid out so perfectly, it is breathtaking.
I suggest everyone here, right or left, take the time to read the words of this extraordinary man.
Unfortunately, words as true now as they were then. I pray the November election will be the beginning of changes for the better.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
You can celebrate when you have something to celebrateQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
oops wrong video . I posted that video on another site referring to the idiots destroying statues without having the slightest idea of the person ;or in this specific case they torched a statue of an elk in Portland ..
The link that was supposed to be posted was this
Let the Independence Day fireworks begin !
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/03/polit...sea/index.html
I like the Batman video better. Like China will change plans and policies with a simple show of force.
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Originally Posted by talaniman
China has a sense of history, a long and colourful history, marked by many conquests and defeats, they have learned how to play the long game, they are not tied to a short electorial cycle and they long ago learned the value of a wall and trade routes
Russia likes the lifetime leader stuff too, but we have been seeing the Hong Kong conflict coming for years now. Everybody seems eager to take those refugees in, if and when China allows it, and no talk of them fighting for their own freedom, like other refugees.
Wonder why?
You know why, a few million people against more than a billionQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
That makes no sense so maybe explain your rationale.
umm they are fighting for their freedom but like other freedom loving people (like us) who are taking on a world power ;sometimes they need the help of another world power to achieve their liberty
Well we haven't done that well in the middle eastern countries or South and Central American countries or African countries, so you're predicting better results in the Asian countries...or have you forgotten Viet Nam?
What was our goal in Vietnam ? It certainly wasn't supporting democracy .We supported strong men who were anti-communist It was to stop the spread of global communism that we went to war there . The NVs were supported by over 100,000 soldiers from China ,Russia and the NORKs . Communist Vietnam intervened into neighboring Laosand Cambodia until the late 1980s. Postwar Vietnam trained guerrillas and sent surplus weapons to, Algeria, Chile,and El Salvador in support of exporting their communist revolution. Ho Chi Minh organized and promoted revolutionsin southern China, northeastern Thailand, and British Malaya .The communist Vietnamese never thought of their revolution as an isolatedevent of national liberation ; rather, it was to be an integral component of world revolution.
That's what I said Tom we lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
yes you did and it wouldnt be the last time, wars you have engaged in since couldnt be scored as total successQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
What did you say Clete? I got busy counting my toes. Do you count the big toe twice?
i dont know dont have six fingers on each hand and extry toesQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Shhh! I keep losing count here!
You can count, did you learn that at school or college?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
The College of Hard Knocks!
well it didn't take
This talk about Civil War is just a lot of noise from the pro-Trump crowd. It's meant to deflect from the basic issue of Trump the greatest crook in American elective history.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
The basic issue is will America keep following the lying cheating dufus down the road of division, hate and chaos.
What makes you think he is leading?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
His core group is crumbling at the edges as his incompetent murderous lack of leadership in the health crisis is becoming more and more obvious.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Even the dufus doesn't think he's leading, but he'll never admit it. Easier to lie, cheat, and steal his way out of blame like he always has done. Or try!Quote:
Originally Posted by Athos
but you said people are following him how then do you say he is not leading, i think you are confused by your own rhetoricQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
He has a minority following of a shrinking hardcore base, and growing opposition, thanks to his horrendous response to this economy destroying virus and other antics.
I hear one of your warships is on fire, will Trump blame China for that?
Or Mexico, he probably hasn't been briefed yet.
You mean he hasn't seen it on twitter
He only reads his own tweets Clete.
well once again Trump has lashed China and has not deescalated, postponing further trade talks and sanctioning Hong Kong, So the message here is don't rebel
My take on this new foreign policy from the dufus is a bit different Clete since China is clearly changing Hong Kong from what it was under the UK, and on it's own.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53412598
This is seen as a counter move to the Chinese imposed security measure.Quote:
He also told reporters he had signed the Hong Kong Autonomy Act, which passed unanimously in Congress earlier this month."This law gives my administration powerful new tools to hold responsible the individuals and the entities involved in extinguishing Hong Kong's freedom," Mr Trump told the news conference.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-52765838
The reality is that those rebelling arn't old enough to remember british rule and the situation in HK would have been intolerable for any government. Times change and the HK handover was done in different timesQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
By that reasoning, the Brits can return and re-claim the USA.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
No, that boat has sailed, they tried it once and decided it just wasn't worth the costQuote:
Originally Posted by Athos
An alliance works better than a conflict. DUHHH!
Yes and the people of HK have yet to learn that
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