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  • Jun 20, 2020, 09:48 PM
    talaniman
    Shooting someone in the back or 41 times everywhere tends to get old.
  • Jun 20, 2020, 10:46 PM
    paraclete
    Yes but it is an old form of murder
  • Jun 21, 2020, 04:21 AM
    tomder55
    2 shot 1 dead in the occupied territory of Seattle CHAZ/CHOP . 1st responders from Seattle police tried to help . They were prevented from going in by the occupiers . The victims were thrown into a car and driven to the hospital No doubt the Chaz security will investigate the incident and bring the murderer to justice .
  • Jun 21, 2020, 05:46 AM
    talaniman
    Utopia meets reality.
  • Jun 21, 2020, 06:00 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    They were prevented from going in by the occupiers
    Just beyond belief. This is all thanks to the cowardly democrat mayor and gov. If JB was there, he would be handling it the same way.
  • Jun 21, 2020, 06:24 AM
    talaniman
    Let the locals handle it! Conservatives are always fired up about how libs deal with their local issues so no surprise here. Better than confronting your own incompetence with the conservative governance you visited on the country.
  • Jun 21, 2020, 06:26 AM
    jlisenbe
    By all means let the locals handle it, but replace them when they are as cowardly and incompetent as what exists in Seattle.
  • Jun 21, 2020, 06:39 AM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    By all means let the locals handle it, but replace them when they are as cowardly and incompetent as what exists in Seattle.

    That's for the locals to decide.
  • Jun 21, 2020, 07:50 AM
    jlisenbe
    Yes it is.
  • Jun 21, 2020, 09:00 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Let the locals handle it!
    you mean the local residents who are trapped behind the barriers ? Was it 'let the locals handle it ' when Federal troops were deployed in Little Rock Arkansas to enforce desegregation ?
  • Jun 21, 2020, 09:43 AM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    you mean the local residents who are trapped behind the barriers ? Was it 'let the locals handle it ' when Federal troops were deployed in Little Rock Arkansas to enforce desegregation ?

    Go ahead then. Send in the feds. Not like the dufus hasn't threatened too. Talk is cheap.
  • Jun 21, 2020, 09:48 AM
    tomder55
    I would support it .
  • Jun 21, 2020, 09:50 AM
    talaniman
    Think the locals would too?
  • Jun 21, 2020, 11:22 AM
    tomder55
    the ones being help hostage ? maybe .
  • Jun 22, 2020, 12:45 PM
    tomder55
    CHAZ /CHOP wants to be Chi-town . Another shooting ;another blocking of first responders from entering .

    https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/...TcQTbn3NGllMqk

    In CHAZ/CHOP and Chi-town Black lives don't matter

    https://abc7.com/chicago-shooting-th...-shot/6259880/
  • Jun 22, 2020, 01:05 PM
    tomder55
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EaylbEgW...g&name=900x900
  • Jun 22, 2020, 01:26 PM
    tomder55
    Meanwhile shooting here in NY spiked over the weekend too. Captured Perps arrested on gun charges were set free under Sandinista Bill's catch and release program . " We have over 1,000 people that have been indicted on a gun-possession charge, where the cases are open, and they are walking around the streets of New York today,” said NYPD Chief of Crime Control Strategies Michael LiPetried
  • Jun 22, 2020, 04:22 PM
    tomder55
    so the thought police now think that Mary Poppins is a racist movie. Julie Andrews and D+ck Van Dyke and the chorus don black face on the roof top scene . As they exit the Banks house the help use racial slurs against them including calling one of the chimney sweeps a Hottentot .
  • Jun 22, 2020, 04:58 PM
    jlisenbe
    Shocking! Imagine a chimney sweep in black face.
  • Jun 22, 2020, 05:10 PM
    tomder55
    https://twitter.com/PolitiKurd/statu...-leads-n564632
  • Jun 22, 2020, 05:26 PM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Shocking! Imagine a chimney sweep in black face.
    some idiot professor wrote an editorial about this in the Slimes .
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/28/m...blackface.html

    Today or yesterday a statue of Miguel de Cervantes author of Don Quixote was vandalized in San Francisco . Cervantes was not rich and much of his fame came after his death . . But his life even without his work as an author is a worthy tale to tell . He was not a slave holder . In fact for a 5 year period he was held as a slave by the Ottomans . Paradoxically Cervantes wrote “Freedom ...... is one of the most precious gifts that heaven has bestowed upon men; no treasures that the earth holds buried or the sea conceals can compare with it; for freedom, as for honour, life may and should be ventured; and on the other hand, captivity is the greatest evil that can fall to the lot of man.” For that his statue was defaced .
    https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...ac&oe=5F169C47
  • Jun 22, 2020, 07:04 PM
    talaniman
    Darn subscription ended! Why are you surprised that some loony vandalized a statute? You know good and well half the country is bonkers and probably has nothing to do with politics or anything rational. Not everything is a deep state conspiracy, most are the machinations of NUTS!
  • Jun 22, 2020, 07:11 PM
    paraclete
    This just shows the idoicy of the BLM supporters, by the way I believe all lives matter, which means I am anti-slavery, anti-discrimination and in favour of freedom for all
  • Jun 22, 2020, 07:12 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    This just shows the idocy of the BLM supporters
    That is something to consider.
  • Jun 22, 2020, 07:13 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    That is something to consider.

    Consider this, public disorder is not the way to effect change
  • Jun 22, 2020, 07:33 PM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    This just shows the idoicy of the BLM supporters, by the way I believe all lives matter, which means I am anti-slavery, anti-discrimination and in favour of freedom for all

    Vandalizing a statute has nothing to do with BLM, no more than looting has to do with protestors. Can't tell the difference? Then you will never understand until Black Lives Matter, you can never say ALL lives matter. I'm in favor of all those good things you listed too Clete, but there seems to be a lot who don't which makes for a PROBLEM.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Consider this, public disorder is not the way to effect change

    Remember the Boston Tea Party?
  • Jun 22, 2020, 08:21 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    This just shows the idoicy of the BLM supporters, by the way I believe all lives matter, which means I am anti-slavery, anti-discrimination and in favour of freedom for all

    BLack Lives Matter was never intended to mean ONLY black lives. It refers to the treatment of blacks by police violence and brutality. People who promote "All Lives Matter" in opposition do not understand the point of BLM. There is NO opposition.

    Jackson, btw, was a notorious "Indian hater" during a time when anti-Indian feeling was common among settlers since they wanted the Indian lands. They believed in their "destiny" being "manifest". Jackson, however, was Hitler-like in his treatment of the southeast Indian communities. Long before the present business, Jackson's genocidal activities were a disgrace to the nation.
  • Jun 22, 2020, 08:28 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Vandalizing a statute has nothing to do with BLM, no more than looting has to do with protestors. Can't tell the difference? Then you will never understand until Black Lives Matter, you can never say ALL lives matter. I'm in favor of all those good things you listed too Clete, but there seems to be a lot who don't which makes for a PROBLEM.

    The real problem is the way people behave and they do so for a reason and the colour of a person's skin is only a small part of it, it is culture. Black and white culture is different. It is so there and it is so here



    Quote:

    Remember the Boston Tea Party?
    Yes a demonstration against a minor tax and there the matter should have ended
  • Jun 22, 2020, 08:31 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Yes a demonstration against a minor tax and there the matter should have ended

    But it didn't, did it? It ultimately resulted in the independence of the United States of America.
  • Jun 23, 2020, 04:23 AM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Athos View Post
    But it didn't, did it? It ultimately resulted in the independence of the United States of America.

    I know you guys are caught up in the glories of that event, but really you were hard pressed to beat a few thousand red coats. And what do we have to show for it 250 years later? more civil disobedience, so maybe the lesson didn't take
  • Jun 23, 2020, 04:38 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    you were hard pressed to beat a few thousand red coats.
    Learn your history. There were several tens of thousands of British troops involved not to mention 20 to 30 thousand Hessians. So no, it wasn't a "few".
  • Jun 23, 2020, 07:57 AM
    talaniman
    It's not Clete's history to learn. It's ours.
  • Jun 23, 2020, 04:06 PM
    paraclete
    they get more every time the story is told
  • Jun 23, 2020, 05:52 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    1. It's not Clete's history to learn. It's ours.

    Yes, it is. I hope you both learned something from my post. It's one of my goals in life to help the unlearned Aussie.
  • Jun 23, 2020, 07:06 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Yes, it is. I hope you both learned something from my post. It's one of my goals in life to help the unlearned Aussie.


    unlearned? how many degrees and fellowships do you have? one of my goals in life is to help the uneducated yanks
  • Jun 23, 2020, 07:09 PM
    jlisenbe
    Then you might want to try posting information that is true. In this case, the only uneducated one was the Aussie.
  • Jun 23, 2020, 07:17 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Then you might want to try posting information that is true. In this case, the only uneducated one was the Aussie.

    while there were many thousands of British troops and allies they were spread out fairly thin, remember Britain was fighting a wider war and you would not have succeeded without the opportunist French, and you had the differences of loyalty to deal with also. The revolution was not the populist cause you imagine but the British could not mount a decisive campaign
  • Jun 23, 2020, 07:20 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    many thousands of British troops
    Finally got it right, though you did not bother to mention the 20 thousand Hessian troops also here to fight for the Brits. Refer to the Battle of Trenton.
  • Jun 23, 2020, 07:53 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Finally got it right, though you did not bother to mention the 20 thousand Hessian troops also here to fight for the Brits. Refer to the Battle of Trenton.

    yes King George brought in mercenaries afterall the British army was not large and was overcommitted, but there wasn't strong loyalty between the red coats and the hessians, You were also lucky the french didn't insist on a military takeover as the price for their assistance
  • Jun 23, 2020, 08:41 PM
    jlisenbe
    So should you be glad that we did not insist on a military takeover of Australia as the price of our assistance in World War 2?

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