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"Extremely isolated cases of police brutality"? Are you serious? Your ignorance is glaring. Spend time in any black ghetto in this country and then come back and tell us how extremely isolated bad treatment, including brutality, is in black neighborhoods.

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So you've done this? You've "spent time" in black ghettos? Now unlike you, I've worked in inner city schools, "spent time in black ghettos", and became familiar with those testimonies. They were few and far between.

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Why don't you accept the testimony of ordinary African-Americans who are quick to comment how police act in their neighborhoods? - I think we know why you don't.

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I'm perfectly happy to accept those testimonies, but at some point you're going to have to abandon your generalities and list some specifics. I'll give some. Since the George Floyd atrocity, an average of 21 black people every day have been murdered, over 90% of them by other black people. They die silently since there is no political advantage to be gained by publicizing their deaths. It's tragic and sad. People should be able to live in safety.

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For the record - Blaming the black community 100% for their difficulties is absurd. Equally to blame are the historic forces that have been lined up against them for centuries, and ongoing.

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If I was doing the former and not doing the latter, then I would agree with you. The main point, which clearly zoomed right over your head, is that the black community, unlike in the fifties and sixties, is now in the place where white oppression is not their chief problem, or even a major problem. The biggest problems they face, and this is true in all ethnic populations in our country, are subject to their own control. No white racist or conservative government can stop the black population from improving itself enormously, but it will not be an easy task. Having a pres who achieved the lowest black unemployment in history is certainly helpful, but it's only a small step. There is much hard work to be done.

While the dufus is doing dopey stuff, there are actually people doing the right thing and keeping the peace the right way.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/tune...heim-ntp-feeds

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So you've done this? You've "spent time" in black ghettos? Now unlike you, I've worked in inner city schools, "spent time in black ghettos", and became familiar with those testimonies. They were few and far between.
I'm perfectly happy to accept those testimonies, but at some point you're going to have to abandon your generalities and list some specifics. I'll give some. Since the George Floyd atrocity, an average of 21 black people every day have been murdered, over 90% of them by other black people. They die silently since there is no political advantage to be gained by publicizing their deaths. It's tragic and sad. People should be able to live in safety.

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For one thing black on black crime happens within the poor communities of black people, trapped in those ever eroding enclaves of opportunity and services, save for the racists cops who rule over them. That's no generality, that's just reality. If they could afford to move, no doubt they would, but can't. No they don't die silently, since everyone there knows them, but it happens so often it can be ignored by everybody else outside the depression zone. Cop are not the friend in these places, just the opposite, so NO services, NO protection, and NO opportunity perpetuates the condition that over time is exacerbated by utter neglect.

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If I was doing the former and not doing the latter, then I would agree with you. The main point, which clearly zoomed right over your head, is that the black community, unlike in the fifties and sixties, is now in the place where white oppression is not their chief problem, or even a major problem. The biggest problems they face, and this is true in all ethnic populations in our country, are subject to their own control. No white racist or conservative government can stop the black population from improving itself enormously, but it will not be an easy task. Having a pres who achieved the lowest black unemployment in history is certainly helpful, but it's only a small step. There is much hard work to be done.

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I disagree fully and site as above the NEGLECT that is the tool of oppression, suppression, and a target for exploitation not just by the system, but any nefarious entity trying to make some illegal bucks. The notion that they control their own destinies is but a lame excuse to ignore them even further. One should wrap their heads around the money involved in that neglect to buy cheap, sell high, as a long term strategy for riches, because indeed somebody makes money from the existence of ghetto slums areas. Maybe part of your own experiences in this area JL should not just be the altruistic blame game, but the centuries old money game going back to right after the civil war.

I think I have mentioned before the gentrification that goes on in those slums and ghettos and you should not ignore that very real economic strategy.

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save for the racists cops who rule over them. That's no generality, that's just reality.

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Everytime I read crap like that, I can't help but hope that the cops pull all of their units out of your neighborhood for a while. After a few months of that, you'd be happy to have those "racist cops" back.

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The notion that they control their own destinies is but a lame excuse to ignore them even further.

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Oh?? Which of these do they not control? Out of wedlock births? Rampant criminal activity by young black men? Disintegration of the family unit? Black on black crime? Which of those does the black community not control? And which of those would not yield amazing benefit upon being corrected?

https://www.nationalmemo.com/st-john...ngton-dc-trump

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Everytime I read crap like that, I can't help but hope that the cops pull all of their units out of your neighborhood for a while. After a few months of that, you'd be happy to have those "racist cops" back.

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I agree get rid of the racist cop period, and just have good dedicated cops. No cop would be better than racist cops.

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Oh?? Which of these do they not control? Out of wedlock births? Rampant criminal activity by young black men? Disintegration of the family unit? Black on black crime? Which of those does the black community not control? And which of those would not yield amazing benefit upon being corrected?

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I think white people suffer the same maladies and it may be worse, since they commit more violent crimes than black people do. They just don't suffer the same consequences as white folks do.

https://www.americanprogress.org/iss...-s-news-media/

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...ustice-system/

https://www.citylab.com/equity/2019/...e-data/595528/

Out of wedlock births?

Doesn't necessarily mean a two parent or family unit is not involved.

Rampant criminal activity by young black men?

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/are-b...nal-rac_b_8398

Disintegration of the family unit?

Half the married people in America get divorced. most get remarried and get divorced again.

Black on black crime?

The crime rates are falling for everybody.

Which of those does the black community not control?

Not enough control, and they certainly don't own the land where they live in their community. Like I said if the could afford to move they would and do.

You never talk about the shortcomings of white people, but love to critique black people. Just an observation.

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Out of wedlock births? Doesn't necessarily mean a two parent or family unit is not involved.

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Uhm...actually, that's exactly what it means.

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Rampant criminal activity by young black men?

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"African-Americans are roughly six times as likely as white Americans to die at the hands of amurderer, and roughly seven times as likely to murder someone; their victims are black 82% ofthe time.1 Homicide is the second most important reason for the racial gap in life expectancy:eliminating homicide would do more to equalize black and white life expectancy than eliminatingany other cause of death except heart disease."

http://www.columbia.edu/~rs328/Homicide.pdf

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Disintegration of the family unit? Half the married people in America get divorced. most get remarried and get divorced again.

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A far larger percentage of black children are raised in a single-parent home than are non-black children.

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Black on black crime? The crime rates are falling for everybody.

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So?

I'm happy to talk about the shortcomings of white people. It is similar to the shortcomings of the black community, but the point remains. All of the situations above are solvable by the black community alone and would bring about great benefits. So the question should be asked, why don't they get talked about?

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So you've done this? You've "spent time" in black ghettos?

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More lies from you. I never said that. But I can listen to black people describing their life in areas patrolled by police. THAT is the issue here - not your usual diversion.

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Now unlike you, I've worked in inner city schools, "spent time in black ghettos", and became familiar with those testimonies. They were few and far between.

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You have no idea whether I've spent time in black neighborhoods but that doesn't stop you from lying - like your "few and far between" testimonies of black people. This is a common theme of white supremacists. More and more, with each post, you come across as one of them.

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Since the George Floyd atrocity, an average of 21 black people every day have been murdered, over 90% of them by other black people.

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Another theme of the white supremacists. The issue is not crime, which you are doing your damndest to change the subject to, but police treatment in black neighborhoods.

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The main point, which clearly zoomed right over your head, is that the black community, unlike in the fifties and sixties, is now in the place where white oppression is not their chief problem, or even a major problem.

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Nothing you say could ever zoom over my head - you're too little. Yes, those wonderful 50s and 60s where segregation was the rule and where black people "knew their place". No surprise you yearn for those days.

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The biggest problems they face, and this is true in all ethnic populations in our country, are subject to their own control.

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Reading your posts here is like reading the playbook of white supremacy. To compare the black experience as the same as "all ethnic populations" in our country reveals your ignorance as nothing you have written so far. The Irish, having the same language and appearance, assimilated within a single generation. The Italians a few more generations. The Jews a generation or two but still not perfectly (a separate subject). All the rest more or less the same.

Now let's look at the African-American experience. From arriving here unwillingly as slaves to the present day, the number of generations has been enormously greater than any ethnic group and the assimilation is STILL not fully accomplished. Did you ever stop to consider WHY all those bad things you blame blacks for exist? And what the source is? No, of course not. What racist would.

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No white racist or conservative government can stop the black population from improving itself enormously

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but it will not be an easy task.

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True, thanks to you and your ilk. That's the first true thing you've said here.

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Having a pres who achieved the lowest black unemployment in history is certainly helpful

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If you want Trump to take undeserved credit for the economy's recovery begun by Obama, then it's only fair you take blame for the gigantic drop in black employment during his fourth year. I believe it's in the millions - the largest drop in history thanks to Trump.

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then it's only fair you take blame for the gigantic drop in black employment during his third term. I believe it's in the millions - the largest drop in history thanks to Trump.

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What third term is that wishfull thinking

My fault - thanks - fourth YEAR, not third TERM! Good Lord!

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You have no idea whether I've spent time in black neighborhoods but that doesn't stop you from lying - like your "few and far between" testimonies of black people. This is a common theme of white supremacists. More and more, with each post, you come across as one of them.

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What a fantasy world you live in. Between the two of us, I'm the one who has actually spent time (years) working with inner city kids and their families. In other words, I'm the only one who cared enough to actually spend time helping.

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Nothing you say could ever zoom over my head

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Funny. It still does. Your hate-filled rhetoric demonstrates that you just don't get it. Too bad. Maybe some day you'll catch on. Spend 17 years of your life actually working with minority kids and their families, and then come back and talk to us. Then you can offer something more than just talk.

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So you've done this? You've "spent time" in black ghettos?



More lies from you. I never said that. But I can listen to black people describing their life in areas patrolled by police. THAT is the issue here - not your usual diversion.

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You don't know the difference between a question and a statement? I didn't say you did, I asked if you did. And the obvious answer is...NO. So it seems you have many theories but no practical experience. That does not surprise me.

@Athos, thank you for listening, that's a hopeful sign as we see the very broad cross section of America protesting this murder of a citizen by police.

@JL, trying to shout over the real issue instead of listening is a distraction that won't work. Can't wait for you to criticize your own like you have accused liberals of not doing.

It saddens me that the sum total of your inner city experience is to criticize shortcomings.

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@JL, trying to shout over the real issue instead of listening is a distraction that won't work. Can't wait for you to criticize your own like you have accused liberals of not doing.

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I'm perfectly willing to listen, but I'm not into these emotional responses. I'm much more concerned about the long-term. Unless the black community addresses out of wedlock births, poor schools, etc., they will not make progress. Maybe you don't care about that. I do.

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It saddens me that the sum total of your inner city experience is to criticize shortcomings.

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Pointing out shortcomings is not the same thing as criticizing them, and my experience was to get in the middle of it and help. But at any rate, aren't you being critical yourself? Is that the sum total of your experience? Maybe we should knock off the rhetoric and engage in a sensible discussion. Some here are too busy spewing anger and hate to do that, but I know that you can.

What is really needed is an emotion-free, hate-free, rhetoric-free discussion. It would be nice to have one. Not that there would be no strong statements, but that there would be a mutual recognition of lines which should not be crossed.

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I'm perfectly willing to listen, but I'm not into these emotional responses. I'm much more concerned about the long-term. Unless the black community addresses out of wedlock births, poor schools, etc., they will not make progress. Maybe you don't care about that. I do.

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The black community has been hollering with words and actions for generations about the brutality of police and racists with hoods before that. When do you make a willingness to listen an actual action instead of what YOU think we should care about first? The recent caught on camera callous murder of a black man is but the tip of the iceberg in my communities which you ignore trying to preach what you think should be done.

You may be willing to listen, but have not to date.

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Pointing out shortcomings is not the same thing as criticizing them, and my experience was to get in the middle of it and help. But at any rate, aren't you being critical yourself? Is that the sum total of your experience? Why don't you knock off the rhetoric and engage in a sensible discussion.

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This isn't about you and what you've done it's about LISTENING which you haven't done. Don't even try to put your years against my lifetime experience of actually being a part of the community. That's personally insulting, but you aren't listening.

You can't listen and preach at the same time, and obviously you rather preach to, than listen to, the black man. Don't be offended if they don't listen to you, or push back vigorously.

Your first clue was the diversity of the crowds that have been protesting since this death of a citizen across the NATION. This ain't a local thing, nor restricted to just black people.

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It saddens me that the sum total of your inner city experience is to criticize shortcomings.

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I couldn't have said it any better. Right into the bulls-eye!

1. His observation, as I pointed out, was not correct.
2. At least I, unlike you, actually troubled myself to get into the middle of minority communities and help. Seventeen years for me, and evidently 0 for you, so yeah, I tend to not pay much attention to your theories. If you ever gain any practical experience, get back with us. Until then, you barely qualify to be an amateur.

17 years in the inner city and you never heard about police brutality or racists cop? Or racism PERIOD?

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1. His observation, as I pointed out, was not correct.

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Tal's observation was perfectly correct. Whatever you point out is generally incorrect. But keep trying.

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2. At least I, unlike you, actually troubled myself to get into the middle of minority communities and help.

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Your total lack of understanding is a strong indicator you wasted your time - if in fact you're telling the truth which is a separate question.

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I tend to not pay much attention to your theories.

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I don't write for those who cannot see, only for those who have eyes.

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you barely qualify to be an amateur.

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God knows what that makes you. You are certainly a master at and more than qualified to spout insulting nonsense. Other than that, you rarely provide much meat for others to chew on.

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What a fantasy world you live in. Between the two of us, I'm the one who has actually spent time (years) working with inner city kids and their families. In other words, I'm the only one who cared enough to actually spend time helping.

Funny. It still does. Your hate-filled rhetoric demonstrates that you just don't get it. Too bad. Maybe some day you'll catch on. Spend 17 years of your life actually working with minority kids and their families, and then come back and talk to us. Then you can offer something more than just talk.

You don't know the difference between a question and a statement? I didn't say you did, I asked if you did. And the obvious answer is...NO. So it seems you have many theories but no practical experience. That does not surprise me.

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A lot of words with little punch. You always manage to avoid the real issue being discussed. It's not surprising.

Like I said. "Your hate-filled rhetoric demonstrates that you just don't get it. Too bad. Maybe some day you'll catch on."

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Your total lack of understanding is a strong indicator you wasted your time - if in fact you're telling the truth which is a separate question.

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Yeah. I'm sure all those years you've spent sitting in your living room has given you great understanding. You're like a guy who's seen a few pictures of the Grand Canyon trying to lecture someone who worked there as a park ranger. It just won't work. Instead of just talking, go work in an inner city school for even a couple of months and then come back and share your insights. I dare you to get off your cozy couch and go do it. Be a man and give it a shot. I guarantee you that you will learn a lot more than your students.

Me telling the truth? Remember Aquinas???

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17 years in the inner city and you never heard about police brutality or racists cop? Or racism PERIOD?

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Missed your response, my bad?

Sorry. Didn't see your comment. Did I see instances of racism? Some, but as far as negative impacts on the lives of my students, it was miles away from being the biggest problem. Fatherless homes was far and away the biggest problem. I would say that an insufficient emphasis on the value of learning, beginning as toddlers all the way to seniors, would be in second place. People would get upset about our state flag. Well, I agree it should be changed and voted in favor of changing it, but changing the flag will not change the direction or prospects of a single life. Creating strong families would do far, far more good.

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Me telling the truth? Remember Aquinas???

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Remember Judas?

One big difference. It applies accurately only to you. I am happy to stick with the words of Jesus.

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I am happy to stick with the words of Jesus.

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No, what you really mean is you are happy with the words in a book. You have no idea what the words of Jesus were. Even less have you understood his message.

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You have no idea what the words of Jesus were. Even less have you understood his message.

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What an ignorant statement. On the one hand you claim that I don't know the words of Jesus. Now I quoted them repeatedly, so you are clearly saying that the text of the NT is not reliable and so the quotes cannot be relied upon to be accurate. OK, but then, having basically claimed that we cannot rely on the text of the NT, you claim His message can be understood. Wow. If we can't know what his message was, then how can ANYONE understand it? For that matter, if the NT is that unreliable, then why haven't you thrown yours away? Why would you care about what Jesus might have said or not said? You have closed the door behind yourself and locked yourself in. Oh this one is going to be great to show to youth groups! You are a never ceasing flow of valuable material.

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What an ignorant statement.

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As I've told you more than once, the words are mistranslated from the original Greek.

Only the two or three that you happen not to like. And the fact that virtually no one who is an expert in the field agrees with you is pretty sobering.

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Only the two or three that you happen not to like. And the fact that virtually no one who is an expert in the field agrees with you is pretty sobering.

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You're certainly not an expert. You have never given a rational reply to the mistranslation. Citing others who have repeated the error is NOT a valid reply.

Citing other people who are actually scholars and have spent a lifetime getting to know the subject is not a valid reply? Well, now I understand how you have arrived at this point.

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Citing other people who are actually scholars and have spent a lifetime getting to know the subject is not a valid reply? Well, now I understand how you have arrived at this point.

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Read my lips. Citing those who repeat the errors is not a valid reply.

Read my lips. Refusing to accept the verdict of experts is sheer arrogance. But call them and offer your services. Might be tough. I'm pretty sure they have never heard of you.

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I'm more than sure they've never heard of YOU!

Yeah, but I know it. I trust their expert knowledge. You are still under the illusion that you know better than they do.

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You shouldn't be so trusting. Use a little of your God-given brain and trust in yourself. You might learn something.

The deal is this. The word translated "eternal" bothers you. You have come up with an alternative translation as used by Robert Young. "46 And these shall go away to punishment age-during, but the righteous to life age-during." Now that's an extraordinarliy minorty translation, but even if we accept it, it presents several problems. 1. If hell is some temporary span, then so is heaven, for it is the same word in both instances. 2. Jesus still plainly says he is going to send people to hell, so you haven't solved that (for you) problem. 3. It is depicted by Jesus as a fiery place of torment for the unrighteous. 4. It was prepared for the devil, but if it's only temporary, then the devil himself will get out at some point.

So it seems that you are reduced to telling people that they should do whatever it is you think they should do lest they go to hell for merely an "age-during". Still doesn't sound good to me.

But even at that, the hundreds of committed scholars who have chosen to render the word as "eternal" trumps your two or three in spades. So if given the choice between believing you or believing them, I'm going with them. I think your argument for aionios is pretty lame (my word!), as is your dubious explanation for why nearly all scholars disagree with you.

Same thing with hell. Given the choice between believing you and believing what Jesus said, I'm going with Jesus.

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Sorry. Didn't see your comment. Did I see instances of racism? Some, but as far as negative impacts on the lives of my students, it was miles away from being the biggest problem. Fatherless homes was far and away the biggest problem. I would say that an insufficient emphasis on the value of learning, beginning as toddlers all the way to seniors, would be in second place. People would get upset about our state flag. Well, I agree it should be changed and voted in favor of changing it, but changing the flag will not change the direction or prospects of a single life. Creating strong families would do far, far more good.

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It's not an easy thing to comfort those that have gone through traumatic life changing events, let alone guide them to good orderly direction, when they don't want to follow, for whatever reason. This isn't just a black problem, and all the conditions you criticize black people for are found throughout the society. I know it wasn't your intention to suggest only black people have the issues you cited, but I will note its suffered in America, and we have few solutions. Denying the results of racism or even acknowledging it though JL isn't a viable solution either.

I respectfully hope you can consider that despite 400 years of suppression and racist antics and tactics we continue forward and most black people will not fall for confessing our sins while we bear the sins of others. The same goes for the dufus claim of being our savior because we do have a lot to lose by listening to him sell us the snake oil. So I won't argue your observations, just your interpretations and approach to those observations.

Now send me some money for all those jobs black people did for free in building a nation and defending it always, while the whites take credit for it and enjoy the fruits of our labor, and to this day have no problem preaching about our problems and your solutions, instead of listening when we say your solutions are lip service to keep your knee on our necks literally.

Back pay for services rendered and cruelty and atrocities suffered, then maybe we can heal and move forward. No fruit accepted.

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all the conditions you criticize black people for are found throughout the society.

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That is very true and I agree completely. Any group that wants to can make great progress by learning to value the things that are truly valuable.

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Now send me some money for all those jobs black people did for free in building a nation and defending it always, while the whites take credit for it and enjoy the fruits of our labor, and to this day have no problem preaching about our problems and your solutions, instead of listening when we say your solutions are lip service to keep your knee on our necks literally.

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And now the truth comes out. Why would I send you money? No one's knee is on your neck. But while we're at it, should you send money to the ancestors of the 350,000 union troops who died in the Civil War?

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Back pay for services rendered and cruelty and atrocities suffered, then maybe we can heal and move forward. No fruit accepted.

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Nah. If some level of reparations are paid, then it will be another excuse. That's the problem with never wanting to face up to your own problems. It's always someone else's fault. Someone else should do it for me. I can't do things by myself.

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That is very true and I agree completely. Any group that wants to can make great progress by learning to value the things that are truly valuable.

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Okay! Just wanted to verify it ain't just black people with issues.

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And now the truth comes out. Why would I send you money? No one's knee is on your neck. But while we're at it, should you send money to the ancestors of the 350,000 union troops who died in the Civil War?

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What! They owe civil war soldiers too? Now that's bad. maybe the guys that started the Civil War should pay up. Oh wait you CAN"T! The south has been poor since they lost that war! They depend on welfare!

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Nah. If some level of reparations are paid, then it will be another excuse. That's the problem with never wanting to face up to your own problems. It's always someone else's fault. Someone else should do it for me. I can't do things by myself.

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Back pay is fair for the reasons I cited and let's just forget all the excuses for with holding payment for services rendered, blood shed, and sweat popped! Pay up you deadbeat!

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The deal is this. The word translated "eternal" bothers you. You have come up with an alternative translation as used by Robert Young. "46 And these shall go away to punishment age-during, but the righteous to life age-during." Now that's an extraordinarliy minorty translation, but even if we accept it, it presents several problems. 1. If hell is some temporary span, then so is heaven, for it is the same word in both instances. 2. Jesus still plainly says he is going to send people to hell, so you haven't solved that (for you) problem. 3. It is depicted by Jesus as a fiery place of torment for the unrighteous. 4. It was prepared for the devil, but if it's only temporary, then the devil himself will get out at some point.

So it seems that you are reduced to telling people that they should do whatever it is you think they should do lest they go to hell for merely an "age-during". Still doesn't sound good to me.

But even at that, the hundreds of committed scholars who have chosen to render the word as "eternal" trumps your two or three in spades. So if given the choice between believing you or believing them, I'm going with them. I think your argument for aionios is pretty lame (my word!), as is your dubious explanation for why nearly all scholars disagree with you.

Same thing with hell. Given the choice between believing you and believing what Jesus said, I'm going with Jesus.

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Endless religious arguments again, this is not the religion discussion page. Yes, by all means go with Jesus and keep to the simplicity of the message. Jesus was not concerned about what the scholars of his day thought but kept to his message

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Pay up you deadbeat!

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Funny. Go to work and become a millionaire. Stop expecting others to give you anything. To be sure, slavery was a terrible part of our history, but it's been gone for 150 years. Put the pedal to the metal and go!

What part of back pay for services rendered are you not understanding? Seeking to ignore past actions of atrocity and cruelty is but an indictment of your inability to listen while you try to impose your solutions on those you dismiss and ignore.

The bigger act of cruelty is the unsympathetic and unapologetic manner in which you try to inflict your solutions on others. The bill for such actions has come do and none of your excuses means squat. Stop the preaching* and start reaching for that wallet** and una$$ some loot.***


*You JL specifically

**You JL should advocate for fairness and justice denied for centuries.

***Failure to pay up in a timely manner may be subject to further interest fees and legal actions.

This is an attempt to collect a DEBT and any information can be used to collect that DEBT!