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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Then who on earth were you referring to?

YOU!!!

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Even at that, to use this as a description of an unborn child is really chilling. "you hate that misbegotten mass of cells growing inside you." I don't think you actually see it that way, or at least I certainly hope not.

Did you read what I had written??? It was referring to what pregnant you would have thought of the object now in your body because of the selfish activities of a rapist or your uncle or an abusive spouse.

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Still waiting for the promised explanation of why you "disagree" with abortion.

The day ends at midnight.

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As to my "part" being finished in less than five minutes, my "part" is still going on, and our children are all over thirty years old. You are greatly mistaken, and seem to be greatly prejudiced against men. My amazing wife and I raised our children as a team.

Nope, not prejudiced. Men have no clue about what goes on during those nine months. And if the pregnancy begins in hate and as a power struggle....

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"Oh, that's right. You can't get pregnant. Your part is finished in less than five minutes, you smile, then walk away."

Sure sounds prejudiced to me, and wildly incorrect.

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It was referring to what pregnant you would have thought of the object now in your body because of the selfish activities of a rapist or your uncle or an abusive spouse.

Maybe. Thankfully the vast majority of pregnancies do not start that way, and thankfully very few women who get abortions became pregnant due to abuse.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Maybe. Thankfully the vast majority of pregnancies do not start that way, and thankfully very few women who get abortions became pregnant due to abuse.

Yeah, and, according to your way of thinking, they wait until the ninth month, wake up one morning, and say, "Gee whiz, I really don't want a kid after all. I'll get rid of this and adopt a puppy instead."

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according to your way of thinking, they wait until the ninth month, wake up one morning, and say, "Gee whiz, I really don't want a kid after all. I'll get rid of this and adopt a puppy instead."

And once again, you're making things up. It's a dumb thought that I have never expresses or believed.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

And once again, you're making things up. It's a dumb thought that I have never expresses or believed.

Probably not a puppy specifically, but you've indicated they say to themselves, "I wanna abortion for no good reason, just because I feel like it."

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"I wanna abortion for no good reason, just because I feel like it."

That is far removed from your original idea that they wait until the ninth month and then decide to have an abortion. At any rate, I'm sure many women have that exact sentiment of having an abortion simply because they want to, but certainly not all do. And yet one way or another, it is the destruction of human life that I object to. If not for that, then it would make no difference, but that truth makes an enormous difference. When we consider that they are dealing with human beings, then we must be greatly concerned. Human life has great worth.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

That is far removed from your original idea that they wait until the ninth month and then decide to have an abortion.

Umm, it's the same idea.

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Human life has great worth.

...especially when it's white and not poc trying to find refuge in our country.

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Umm, it's the same idea.

Uhm...only to you.

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...especially when it's white and not poc trying to find refuge in another country.

Another foolish statement that did not come from me.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Another foolish statement that did not come from me.

Not so foolish. Maybe not from you, but clearly what Trump has been implying. Here are his words with help in understanding in parens.

"Immigrants from (white) Norway are acceptable and desired. Immigrants from (brown) south of the border countries not desired. Immigrants from (black) s***hole countries not desired".

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Not so foolish. Maybe not from you, but clearly what Trump has been implying

You say Trump has been implying that, and then you give a quote that is not accurate. Pitiful. You pulled several statements together, inserted your own thoughts, and attributed it to Trump. Hmmm. Did both of you attend the same class on making things up?

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

You say Trump has been implying that, and then you give a quote that is not accurate. Pitiful. You pulled several statements together, inserted your own thoughts, and attributed it to Trump. Hmmm. Did both of you attend the same class on making things up?

Did you graduate first in your class on How To Be An A**hole?

You got caught in a "fabrication", and so you need to call names? Pitiful. Don't blame your problems on me.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

You got caught in a "fabrication", and so you need to call names? Pitiful. Don't blame your problems on me.

There was no fabrication, you moron.

That was exactly what Trump implied which was known by the whole world except, apparently, by you. I've tried to accommodate you, but it doesn't work. You're just too full of yourself.

The dufus wants it both ways, The minority vote, and the racists vote. He's made money off them both in the past, and probably hopes to in the future. He needs every vote he can get. This pandemic is screwing up his plans for sure. His reopening push a lot of people want so desperately may not save him if it doesn't work as advertised. Getting sick and dying is more a disincentive to workers as any money he can shell out to tide people through this virus.

The right wing trickle down ideology can't meet our needs in the short term, nor put out the growing hotspots and fires to come. Watch the debt and deficit folks heads explode in the weeks ahead. Don't laugh to hard though liberals, our turn comes rather quickly.

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There was no fabrication, you moron.

That was exactly what Trump implied which was known by the whole world except, apparently, by you. I've tried to accommodate you, but it doesn't work. You're just too full of yourself.

It always brings a smile to my face to see this. You get questioned, and so you get mad. Typical. You simply concocted a quote. That's why I never trust anything that comes from you because, after all, past history has been a good teacher. And then when you get caught, you get nasty.

I'm sure WG will be along any minute to point out your put-downs and shaming.

Love to dish the shade to those that hate to give it back don'tcha? Classic bully! You claim the dufus doesn't diss the minorities so you can ignore his racism, Mr. I don't now any racists who hides behind so called morality by questioning everybody else's.

Glad you blocked me, but can't stop me from pointing out the utter hypocrisy of your posts, devoid of facts, empathy, and honesty. In fact, you are as capable of some lowdown dirty cheap shots that the dufus you worship would be proud of as he sits atop your shoulders.

Of course you're proud of yourself and think you're entitled to blessings you can never earn or deserve. You ain't making no friend with that dufus style LIE about wanting an "HONEST" discussion. Try being honest with yourself, and the discussion can flow from there.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

It always brings a smile to my face to see this. You get questioned, and so you get mad. Typical. You simply concocted a quote. That's why I never trust anything that comes from you because, after all, past history has been a good teacher. And then when you get caught, you get nasty.

I'm sure WG will be along any minute to point out your put-downs and shaming.

Athos is correct. Trump said all that. And worse.

January 11, 2018: Trump said on Twitter, "Haiti? Why do we want people from Haiti here?" Then they got Africa. 'Why do we want these people from all these sh!+hole countries here? We should have more people from places like Norway."

“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re sending people that have lots of problems.They’re bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They’re rapists,” the future president said during his first-ever campaign speech in 2015.

"Athos is correct." Your usual, utterly predictable reply. Athos could say the moon was made of cheese and you would agree with him. You three amigos stick together no matter what, since to disagree with a liberal dem would cause your world to fall apart.

Those are all quotes from what people reported Trump said in private meetings. As the article said, "President Trump reportedly referred to Haiti and countries in Africa as 'hole countries.'" But at least you gave an honest rendition of the supposed quote. Athos put his own meaning into it which made it even less accurate than it would have been.

The article linked below went on to say, "The White House went on to say Trump wants immigrants who can 'contribute to our society, grow our economy and assimilate into our great nation.'” There is no reference to race there. Now a person can state their own prejudiced view that Trump was referring to race if they want to, but no one has to accept it.

Still waiting on your condemnation of his put-downs and shaming which you profess to care so much about. Just want to see if you apply your ethical standards evenly.

Midnight came and went with no reply. Ask me if I'm surprised.

https://www.vox.com/2018/1/11/168807...untries-norway

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Those are all quotes from what people reported Trump said in private meetings. As the article said, "President Trump reportedly referred to Haiti and countries in Africa as 'hole countries.'" But at least you gave an honest rendition of the supposed quote. Athos put his own meaning into it which made it even less accurate than it would have been.

And Athos explained that with his preface, "clearly what Trump has been implying. Here are his words with help in understanding in parens."

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The article linked below went on to say, "The White House went on to say Trump wants immigrants who can “contribute to our society, grow our economy and assimilate into our great nation.” There is no reference to race there. Now a person can state their own prejudiced view that Trump was referring to race if they want to, but no one has to accept it.

What color is the preponderance of people who live in Haiti, who live in Africa, who live south of our border? What is the predominant color of people who live in Norway?

It will be poc who clean your hospital or nursing home room, wipe your butt, roll you over in bed when you have no strength to do it yourself, draw your blood for a CBC, check your bp and oxygen saturation, bring you meal trays when you're bedbound and even feed you if necessary, respond to your call light or to your frantic shouts, tell you amusing stories about their children or pets, hoping that will relieve your ennui.

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Still waiting on your condemnation of his put-downs and shaming which you profess to care so much about. Just want to see if you apply your ethical standards evenly.

See above. Athos gives as he has been given.

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Midnight came and went with no reply. Ask me if I'm surprised.

It was either you or Memorial Day food preparation. Guess which won?

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What color is the preponderance of people who live in Haiti, who live in Africa, who live south of our border? What is the predominant color of people who live in Norway?

People like you, who are hung up on race, would think that way. I don't. I view it as who would be more likely to be a responsible contributor to our culture, a person from highly successful Norway, or someone from exceedingly underachieving Haiti or Uganda. I don't really agree with that philosophy, but Trump's comments, if indeed he made them, could just as easily be taken that way unless, of course, you are hung up on race in the way you are.

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It will be poc who clean your hospital or nursing home room, wipe your butt, roll you over in bed when you have no strength to do it yourself, draw your blood for a CBC, check your bp and oxygen saturation, bring you meal trays when you're bedbound and even feed you if necessary, respond to your call light or to your frantic shouts, tell you amusing stories about their children or pets, hoping that will relieve your ennui.

Read again my first comment.

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See above. Athos gives as he has been given.

See comment above about the three amigos. Must be terrible to be so committed to a political philosophy that it overrides your true sense of morality. At least I don't have to pay any attention to your future protests. Since you don't apply them equally, then they ring exceedingly hollow.

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It was either you or Memorial Day food preparation. Guess which won?

If the past is any indication, and it usually is, then an explanation will not be forthcoming. Don't worry about it. I never expected it anyway.

Take off your blinders dude! To judge others by the lens of your morality, and ignore the dufus is not balanced or productive. Is that just an ideological bias? I expect no answer, but know you're reading this.

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Take off your blinders dude! to judge others by the lens of your morality... and ignore the dufus is not balanced or productive.

That's why JL believes women shouldn't get abortions. His reasoning: "You can't do that! It's against my religion!"

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His reasoning: "You can't do that! It's against my religion!"

Yet another completely foolish comment made by you but attributed to me. You are embarrassing yourself.

Even at that, I can explain my objection to abortion unlike you. And to top it off, you dismiss religious beliefs as a valid moral base.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Yet another completely foolish comment made by you but attributed to me. You are embarrassing yourself.

I said your reasoning, not your comment. Prove to me that your religious beliefs have everything to do with preventing a woman who doesn't share your beliefs from getting an abortion.

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Even at that, I can explain my objection to abortion unlike you. And to top it off, you dismiss religious beliefs as a valid moral base.

Your religious beliefs do not control anyone else. They control only you.

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I said your reasoning, not your comment. Prove to me that your religious beliefs have everything to do with preventing a woman who doesn't share your beliefs from getting an abortion.

No, no little Miss Evasion. You're on the hook right now. Do what you said you would do (and then didn't) yesterday. For once be a woman of courage. Why do you "disagree" with abortion?

And btw, it was YOUR comment, so you have to own it. It was not my reasoning, so you were off base on all counts.

WG has stated her abortion position so many times we all know it by heart. Why do you keep insisting on asking the same abortion question over and over again?

What could be your purpose? What is it about WG's position you just don't understand?

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Originally Posted by talaniman

WG has stated her abortion position so many times we all know it by heart. Why do you keep insisting on asking the same abortion question over and over again?

What could be your purpose? What is it about WG's position you just don't understand?

Thanks, tal. I'm putting together as simple and straightforward answer as possible so JL will comprehend.

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Thanks, tal. I'm putting together as simple and straightforward answer as possible so JL will comprehend.

You said you would answer on Sunday, but I am patiently waiting. Just bear in mind that the question is, "Why do you 'disagree' with abortion?"

I do appreciate "simple and straightforward." To this point you have offered nothing, so it does sound like progress. You can, of course simply decline to answer. I understand your hesitancy, or at least I think I do.

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You said you would answer on Sunday, but I am patiently waiting. Just bear in mind that the question is, "Why do you 'disagree' with abortion?"

I do appreciate "simple and straightforward." To this point you have offered nothing, so it does sound like progress. You can, of course simply decline to answer. I understand your hesitancy, or at least I think I do.

You have no clue about my "hesitancy." It turned out I was very busy over the weekend with cooking and cleaning, especially preparing for our family's Memorial Day observation yesterday.

My family comes first, even before you. But yes, I jotted down my thoughts as I cooked and cleaned.

Wisely done.

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Wisely done.

Stop traffic! Sound the trumpets! Organize a parade! JL complimented me! I weep for joy!

It does happen from time to time. 8D

A little humor to start the day. (I know...sentence fragment.)

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No, that happens when you work for capitalist who pays minimum wage

But the happy thing is, when you work for a capitalist, then you are free to enhance your job worth and then change to working for another capitalist who pays better. Economic freedom is a great thing.

Yes many are enjoying the benefits now in a CV19 economy, how's it working out over there?

So if we were socialists there would be no virus? That's a strange perspective that has no bearing on capitalism.

Not everyone has the same opportunity to make Mo'Money with another capitalists and it takes a long time to even move up with the capitalists you work for, but some do for sure, but many work more than one job as a necessity, if they can, if they have the tools and support systems in place to do so. In this present virus environment though nearly everyone who cannot work from home is challenged just for the basics. Tough choices indeed for most of us, and that cannot be dismissed or blamed in an effort to adapt and adjust to these new challenges.

While we are still launching rockets, those meat packing plants are still dealing with the effects of this virus as sickness and death rises, and the essentials are being strain to their capacities.

I don't care what anyone says there's a hungry shark in the waters and expecting people to ignore that is a bit assinine. Now in some countries the society is built on doing as they are told without question, but here there is no such thing as obey without question and we as a society question everything and bristle at commands so we can only suggest a general course of action in which many will disregard.

Just one difference that our freedoms work against us in a climate where leaders are MISLEADING, and the flock gets separated for slaughter. Not mentioning any names but I'm sure we all know of the dufus that I speak of and his sheeple. Yes we have the freedom to be sheeple, because we all are dependent on capitalists to trickle us some capital to survive.

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many work more than one job as a necessity

So? I've done that myself. It's still the glory of free enterprise. Look around at what even poor people in America have. Cars, cell phones, plenty to eat, air conditioning, televisions and so forth are all found in their possession. Amazing!!

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because we all are dependent on capitalists to trickle us some capital to survive.

You were free all of your life to get out and start a business, putting in the sixty or seventy hours a week which that requires. You chose not to. I know people who have done that, and they were not all successful. It's risky. You chose not to take the risk, and I did as well. That's fine, but you won't catch me whining about the people who get out there and work their tails off in order to reach that point. We should both be appreciative. They pay nearly all of the income tax, and they provide most of the jobs. And you complain???

Not a complaint just an observation. Not everybody can walk into a bank or funding institution for that seed money they may not have, and while they may have a phone or TV, they are hard pressed to get around with an old car or public transportation, have little or no insurance and affordable rent can be scarce, and forget affordable day car on those low wages and long hours. Now a lot of folks have family support, but many do not, and it doesn't take much at all for a disruption to change everything in such a fragile circumstance, so you can imagine the very real dire straits of ordinary people who were working very hard to keep their heads above water as it was. Hard to imagine such a large number of people left out of the great economy, since as a general thing they don't complain or raise hell when the price of eggs, milk, and rent and heat go up. They make due and keep on going. Whose listening any way?

Whose listening now? Surely not the ones who are benefitting the most, and not even the well to do caught up in paying the bills for that decent house and neighborhood and a cable bill. Or the ones driving the newest biggest truck and looking to trade it in for one with even more bells and whistles. Much easier to blame the working poor than work to eliminate the poverty which dogs us all. YUP no telling when a trickle down capitalists will save money by cutting YOUR check, and investing in a robot, or a foreign worker who thinks a bowl of rice a day is a great living.

We may claim to have the best system in the world, but this virus has taught us things can change really fast even for the big dog on the block. Will we learn and work to do better? Not so far we have not. Chances are it gets worse before we get a chance to get back what we had.

This is a life changing event, and complaints won't change it at all.