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  • May 12, 2020, 05:02 AM
    jlisenbe
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  • May 12, 2020, 05:51 AM
    talaniman
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  • May 12, 2020, 06:10 AM
    jlisenbe
    Yep. No Trump hatred evident here.
  • May 12, 2020, 09:45 AM
    talaniman
    It's not hatred. Lack of trust or faith on my part, would be more accurate. I have written we got the president we deserve and there is much shared blame in that regard. I don't think he is an honest, thoughtful man at all just to name a few of my concerns and his handling of the peoples business borders on antithetical to all the good people who have toiled and sacrificed for this country. In addition I've never liked bullies, so cannot support this one.

    I'm only one vote and oppose the dufus on numerous fronts for numerous reasons. I've never hidden that fact nor will I.
  • May 12, 2020, 01:57 PM
    jlisenbe
    So you voted for Hillary because she was high-character and thoughtful???
  • May 12, 2020, 03:29 PM
    talaniman
    Certainly of higher character than the dufus, whose antics i knew of before her ran. He is a public figure. Plus HC was smarter by far.
  • May 12, 2020, 03:55 PM
    jlisenbe
    What on earth did HC ever do that reflected being "smarter"?
  • May 12, 2020, 04:17 PM
    talaniman
    That's easy enough to find out. Google is my friend.

    I actually saw her in the heath care hearings in the 90's and many times since. Impressive. Not so good on the campaign trail. Let's see the dufus appear before the congress and answer questions numerous times, though he has been in court and bunch. Speaking of the dufus we have his lawyers, Roy Cohn, Michael Cohen, and now Bill Barr. Shady is the term I use for them.
  • May 12, 2020, 04:25 PM
    jlisenbe
    And right on cue, it's the ole "mystery link" reply. Are you utterly incapable of putting your thoughts into words, or do you simply not know?
  • May 12, 2020, 04:28 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    That's easy enough to find out. Google is my friend.

    I actually saw her in the heath care hearings in the 90's and many times since. Impressive. Not so good on the campaign trail. Let's see the dufus appear before the congress and answer questions numerous times, though he has been in court and bunch. Speaking of the dufus we have his lawyers, Roy Cohn, Michael Cohen, and now Bill Barr. Shady is the term I use for them.

    so your opinion is based on what used to be, not what is
  • May 12, 2020, 04:29 PM
    talaniman
    Please clarify Clete.
  • May 12, 2020, 05:16 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Are you utterly incapable of putting your thoughts into words

    Do you mean like you when asked to put in your own words that people go to hell for eternal punishment and all you can do is quote Bible verses and never put the idea in your own words - even when asked repeatedly? Is that what you mean?

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    so your opinion is based on what used to be, not what is

    Many opinions here are based on just that - especially the past of Hillary Clinton, Obama, and Bill Clinton. Nothing new there.

    Those three are not even in the same ball park when being compared to the Liar-in-Chief and his constant public inconsistencies - especially marked by his total (and killing) mismanagement of the Covid-19 crisis.
  • May 12, 2020, 05:31 PM
    talaniman
    The dufus has two cases before SCOTUS as we speak Athos. One about turning over subpoenaed documents to congress, the other turning over documents to the US Attorney in a criminal investigation.

    Is there a pattern emerging? Or is this more the same pattern from the dufus' history?
  • May 12, 2020, 05:46 PM
    Athos
    The same pattern.

    His lawyers are arguing that Trump is above the law. That was settled 800 years ago with Magna Carta, and recently with Nixon resulting in Nixon handing over the tapes and then resigning.
  • May 12, 2020, 06:26 PM
    talaniman
    Thought this was a well written insightful look into the dufus strategy to deflect his total incompetence at how he has handled this crisis so far while trying to get re elected. Of course there are plenty of embedded links to follow. Maybe JL will catch on to their significance.
  • May 12, 2020, 06:49 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Please clarify Clete.

    You said you were impressed by HC in the 90's, people change, what might have been true then, in different circumstances, may not be true today. HC demonstated errors in judgement in office. We all lapse as we get older, thus in the present circumstance it may not be wise to trust either old man to high office
  • May 12, 2020, 07:09 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    all you can do is quote Bible verses and never put the idea in your own words - even when asked repeatedly? Is that what you mean?
    Do you mean like I have done several times already and you have yet to do? But I'll tell you what. I will be happy to restate my view based upon your guarantee that it will be followed by you doing likewise. Agreed?

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    Thought this was a well written insightful look into the dufus strategy to deflect his total incompetence at how he has handled this crisis so far while trying to get re elected. Of course there are plenty of embedded links to follow. Maybe JL will catch on to their significance.
    An article by NBC news who has allowed Chuck Todd to remain in his job, even after one of the most disgraceful episodes of deceit I have ever seen in television? Think I'll pass on that one.
  • May 13, 2020, 03:19 AM
    talaniman
    Ol' Chuck has apologized for his statements, however dismissing the whole network for one statement is rather narrow given you still support the dufus who has never apologized for anything. I thought you thumpers could forgive when a person repents? Obviously you can forgive those that do not repent also if you want to. Maybe the one to be fired would be the dufus for hiring Barr in the first place by your logic.

    You're welcome.
  • May 13, 2020, 04:36 AM
    jlisenbe
    I guess you'll have to decide for yourself if you believe that Todd actually aired, and made a big deal out of, a video segment that he didn't bother to check out himself, or have a staff member check out. It was either shocking ignorance or willful deceit. Take your pick.
  • May 13, 2020, 04:52 AM
    jlisenbe
    https://i.imgur.com/lv4rYI0.jpg
  • May 13, 2020, 05:22 AM
    paraclete
    Ok you're a concerned citizen, we get it, but too much emphasis on the ME
  • May 13, 2020, 05:40 AM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    I guess you'll have to decide for yourself if you believe that Todd actually aired, and made a big deal out of, a video segment that he didn't bother to check out himself, or have a staff member check out. It was either shocking ignorance or willful deceit. Take your pick.

    Saw it myself during his regular afternoon daily show. Better than any apology, regret the dufus has ever expressed so you take your own pick between your highly conflated one event and the dufus HISTORY.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Ok you're a concerned citizen, we get it, but too much emphasis on the ME

    His choices sums it up Clete, concerns over the virus and its deadly consequences and economic effects and government tyranny all of which is squarely on the shoulders of the dufus.
  • May 13, 2020, 06:56 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    concerns over the virus and its deadly consequences and economic effects and government tyranny all of which is squarely on the shoulders of the dufus.
    If you keep walking through life with your eyes closed then you are going to continue bumping into sharp objects.
  • May 13, 2020, 07:25 AM
    talaniman
    My eyes are open to the cause and effects on humans in this crisis environment. It's tough on us all to some degree, be it financial, emotional, mental, physical, or spiritual.

    I apppreciate the size and scope of the challenge.
  • May 13, 2020, 06:28 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post

    I appreciate the size and scope of the challenge.

    The challenge is within us, our response must be measured, not the knee-jerks we are seeing
  • May 14, 2020, 04:17 AM
    jlisenbe
    So Joe Biden, after much thought (no doubt) about who would be best qualified to formulate energy and climate policies, has decided to name AOC to that position. You just can't make this stuff up.
  • May 14, 2020, 05:51 AM
    talaniman
    So much for the dismissal of the Flynn case out of hand.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/13/u...4969268de5c8c3
  • May 14, 2020, 07:09 AM
    jlisenbe
    And so much for the rule of law when a supposedly impartial judge begins to advocate AGAINST a defendant and against the government. Absurd.
  • May 14, 2020, 08:01 AM
    talaniman
    The rule of law is the issue here as the notion a judge just goes along with a petition without insuring it meets that rule of law would be what's absurd. Indeed it's the rule of law that allows judges the leeway to verify the legality of actions taken by both sides of the argument. Is that not the very definition of impartiality? You may see whatever the dufus says and does as legal and correct, yet you balk at verifying if it does meet the required standard of law.

    Facts over feelings my friend, and the process of verification under the law proceeds.
  • May 14, 2020, 01:08 PM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    The rule of law is the issue

    Last week SCOTUS ruled 9-0 with Ginsburg authoring the majority opinion coming down hard on the 9th Circus for soliciting Amicus Briefs on behalf of one side of a case (United States v. Sineneng-Smith) . Judge Sullivan already should've been removed from the case for calling Flynn a traitor . He has also UNLAWFULLY appointed someone to act as the prosecution since the Justice Dept has decided to drop the case . His actions are unethical .
  • May 14, 2020, 01:22 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    Indeed it's the rule of law that allows judges the leeway to verify the legality of actions taken by both sides of the argument. Is that not the very definition of impartiality?
    It is completely legal for the prosecution, upon discovering new evidence, to drop the case.
  • May 14, 2020, 01:24 PM
    tomder55
    And the person appointed ;John Gleeson ,has already rendered a verdict in an op-ed in the Washington Compost where he wrote ;
    “Flynn’s guilt has already been adjudicated.”
    It is clear what is happening here . justice is not being sought . What the Dems want is to force the President's hand so he pardon's Flynn giving then another issue to campaign on.
  • May 14, 2020, 02:18 PM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    It is completely legal for the prosecution, upon discovering new evidence, to drop the case.

    To be decided by the judge.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    And the person appointed ;John Gleeson ,has already rendered a verdict in an op-ed in the Washington Compost where he wrote ;
    “Flynn’s guilt has already been adjudicated.”
    It is clear what is happening here . justice is not being sought . What the Dems want is to force the President's hand so he pardon's Flynn giving then another issue to campaign on.

    I'm sure whatever way this goes we will see a campaign ad against the dufus as cronyism is front and center. Manafort just went home and is Stone next?
  • May 14, 2020, 03:24 PM
    tomder55
    Manafort confined to solitary confinement for the same thing that Tony Podesta was not even investigated for .
  • May 14, 2020, 04:37 PM
    talaniman
    Stone and Manafort were convicted and what's stopping Barr from prosecuting anybody? Even HC. Wonder what Obamagate is? Why isn't Barr on that?
  • May 14, 2020, 04:48 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    Wonder what Obamagate is?
    I think that will be very interesting before it's all over with. Using national intelligence information for political purposes sure sounds illegal to me.
  • May 14, 2020, 05:10 PM
    talaniman
    Yeah I know like the dufus birther claims, or being wiretapped, or the Russian hoax. Or injecting people with disinfectant. Or the great job he is doing? Lying to the American people isn't illegal, so just be careful believing what yo' boy says. Probably way to late to warn you though.
  • May 14, 2020, 06:20 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Stone and Manafort were convicted and what's stopping Barr from prosecuting anybody? Even HC. Wonder what Obamagate is? Why isn't Barr on that?

    don't you think Trump wants anything and anyone to draw attention away from him. CV is an interruption, an inconvenience, and particularly because it has shown how inept he is. The great statesman (in his own opinion) has been shown to be even more of a buffoon. The best course of action is to do nothing, to let these things fizzle out
  • May 14, 2020, 06:22 PM
    jlisenbe
    Funny how you are against lying and law-breaking until Obama does it.
  • May 14, 2020, 08:48 PM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    don't you think Trump wants anything and anyone to draw attention away from him. CV is an interruption, an inconvenience, and particularly because it has shown how inept he is. The great statesman (in his own opinion) has been shown to be even more of a buffoon. The best course of action is to do nothing, to let these things fizzle out

    Well he can't brag about his great economy since a bug came and destroyed it so he has to revert to the old talk crap routine. He's got nothing for the bug and wants nothing to do with it so let the governors and their states worry about it.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Funny how you are against lying and law-breaking until Obama does it.

    You mean did it, since he's been gone 3 years now.

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