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  • Mar 15, 2020, 04:53 PM
    jlisenbe
    Absolutely unforgivable that Trump didn't have 300 million test kits for testing this heretofore unknown virus already manufactured and stored away in secure warehouses in anticipation of this wholly unexpected day. What were they thinking??? It's right on the level of Roosevelt not having twenty or thirty fighter squadrons moved to Pearl Harbor on December 6th. Have they lost the ability to see into the future?
  • Mar 15, 2020, 05:09 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Absolutely unforgivable that Trump didn't have 300 million test kits for testing What were they thinking???

    Yup. The best defense is to spit out nonsense!

    Oh, why was "this heretofore unknown virus already manufactured and stored away in secure warehouses in anticipation of this wholly unexpected day"?
  • Mar 15, 2020, 05:11 PM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    here's a novel twist for the novel virus, supermarkets implement elderly hours, but you have to get there before regular opening hours., now if the held an elderly day that would make sense
    sorta like adult swim at the community pool. Where all the elders stand in circles chatting waist deep in water .
  • Mar 15, 2020, 06:49 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    Oh, why was "this heretofore unknown virus already manufactured and stored away in secure warehouses in anticipation of this wholly unexpected day"?
    That was a response to Tal's post. I was being sarcastic and probably needlessly. Still, do you think it is reasonable to have expected those test kits for a virus pandemic basically unheard of even three months ago to be have been in place by now?
  • Mar 15, 2020, 07:02 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    That was a response to Tal's post. I was being sarcastic and probably needlessly. Still, do you think it is reasonable to have expected those test kits for a virus pandemic basically unheard of even three months ago to be have been in place by now?

    No, you missed my point. I was pointing out that the noun/subject "virus" and the predicate that follows don't belong together.

    We have to watch and alert you school admins....
  • Mar 15, 2020, 07:16 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    I was pointing out that the noun/subject "virus" and the predicate that follows don't belong together.
    Wouldn't "kit" have been the subject and "for testing this heretofore unknown virus" a simple prepositional phrase? "Absolutely unforgivable that Trump didn't have 300 million test kits...already manufactured and stored away in secure warehouses."
  • Mar 15, 2020, 07:31 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Wouldn't "kit" have been the subject and "for testing this heretofore unknown virus" a simple prepositional phrase? "Absolutely unforgivable that Trump didn't have 300 million test kits...already manufactured and stored away in secure warehouses."

    "Kits" is the direct object in that sentence. "Trump" is the subject; "did have" is the verb.
  • Mar 15, 2020, 07:36 PM
    jlisenbe
    I thought you said that "virus" was the subject? Even if that was the case, what action did "virus" take so as to have a predicate? It was not the "virus" that was "already manufactured and stored away, it was "kits". That's why I reposted it as "Absolutely unforgivable that Trump didn't have 300 million test kits...already manufactured and stored away in secure warehouses." Does that not make sense?
  • Mar 15, 2020, 07:40 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    What was it that was going to be "manufactured and stored away", the virus or the kits?

    The kits, the direct object.

    Didn't you learn in grade school how to diagram sentences?
  • Mar 15, 2020, 07:49 PM
    jlisenbe
    This was your reply. "I was pointing out that the noun/subject "virus" and the predicate that follows don't belong together." Well, there was no predicate that followed virus for which it could have been the subject. It was the kits that were to be already manufactured. I think you missed it on this one. Besides, a word can be BOTH a direct object AND a subject in a sentence. https://www.answers.com/Q/In_a_sente..._the_same_time

    And for you to shame me by stating, "Didn't you learn in grade school how to diagram sentences?" How amazing for a committed liberal to do such a thing. My goodness!!!!! I fell out on the floor weeping. I'll have to go to some safe place and get counseling to get over such a disgrace.
  • Mar 15, 2020, 07:52 PM
    talaniman
    Crazy question, but why didn't we start having test kits the same time as China and SKorea?
  • Mar 15, 2020, 07:54 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    Crazy question, but why didn't we start having test kits the same time as China and SKorea?
    How do you know we didn't?
  • Mar 15, 2020, 08:00 PM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    How do you know we didn't?

    Then where are they and why haven't they been used?
  • Mar 15, 2020, 08:05 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    This was your reply. "I was pointing out that the noun/subject "virus" and the predicate that follows don't belong together." Well, there was no predicate that followed virus for which it could have been the subject. It was the kits that were to be already manufactured. I think you missed it on this one. Besides, a word can be BOTH a direct object AND a subject in a sentence. https://www.answers.com/Q/In_a_sente..._the_same_time

    And for you to shame me by stating, "Didn't you learn in grade school how to diagram sentences?" How amazing for a committed liberal to do such a thing. My goodness!!!!! I fell out on the floor weeping. I'll have to go to some safe place and get counseling to get over such a disgrace.

    And you still haven't figured it out.

    I'm not a committed liberal; I'm a commmitted grammarian!

    Please diagram this sentence you posted earlier, or at least note parts of speech:

    "Absolutely unforgivable that Trump didn't have 300 million test kits for testing this heretofore unknown virus already manufactured and stored away in secure warehouses in anticipation of this wholly unexpected day."
  • Mar 16, 2020, 02:57 AM
    Vacuum7
    I have a novel idea: China had a big jump on the U.S. BECAUSE THEY HAD ALREADY PLANNED TO INTRODUCE THIS VIRULENT VIRUS STRAIN FROM THEIR Wuhan biological weapons laboratory!

    These are Godless ChiComs! Anyone who thinks that its not within their capacity to do something like this only has to look at what these vermin have done in the past.

    And, this may have only been a "TEST RUN"....they may be planning something bigger. They will do anything to keep Trump from being reelected.

    The U.S. media, for the most part, is a fifth column for the Chinese Liberation Army: they are Red China's APOLOGISTS! The Democrats, unfortunately, are complicit in assisting the Red Chinese efforts to disrupt the U.S. economy.....effectively, the Democrat Party has become a stooge and tool of the ChiComs.
  • Mar 16, 2020, 04:10 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    I'm not a committed liberal; I'm a commmitted grammarian!
    I think you are one of the most committed libs I know. And to be a committed grammarian, why did you misspell "commmitted"?

    Quote:

    Please diagram this sentence you posted earlier, or at least note parts of speech:
    I'll let the "commmitted" grammarian do that. I'm pretty sure that the word "virus" was not the subject of the sentence as you said it was.

    BTW, even though I'm convinced you were wrong in this instance, I most happily will agree that your knowledge of grammar is better than mine. When you asked if I had learned how to diagram a sentence in grade school, it made me laugh. I didn't learn much in school. When I went to college, that all changed, but I didn't get really clear on direct objects until I took Greek in Bible college at the age of 27. Had to learn it then.
  • Mar 16, 2020, 04:24 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    The U.S. media, for the most part, is a fifth column for the Chinese Liberation Army: they are Red China's APOLOGISTS! The Democrats, unfortunately, are complicit in assisting the Red Chinese efforts to disrupt the U.S. economy.....effectively, the Democrat Party has become a stooge and tool of the ChiComs.
    Vac, I don't think the dems are stooges for the Chinese. I think they have figured out that "free" has become a more important word than "freedom" for many of the American people. We have become such a dull and lazy people that many of us will gladly give up our freedom and the freedom of others in order to get some "free" stuff. When Geraldo seriously suggests that we print 200 billion dollars so we can "give" every American a thousand dollars, then you know that we have gone quite a ways down the trail of stupidity. I pray we have not gone too far.
  • Mar 16, 2020, 05:06 AM
    jlisenbe
    https://scontent.fmem1-2.fna.fbcdn.n...7f&oe=5E963E71
  • Mar 16, 2020, 05:12 AM
    paraclete
    Never fear Australia is here!
    we have found the cure and it was right here all the time

    https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...2c5e51706accb5
    researchers in Queensland have found the cure drugs already known and tested
  • Mar 16, 2020, 05:21 AM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Then where are they and why haven't they been used?

    Guess I'll have to answer my own question.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...failure-123166
  • Mar 16, 2020, 05:24 AM
    paraclete
    They have been used and distribution will be ramped up now the properties are known
  • Mar 16, 2020, 06:39 AM
    jlisenbe
    Your Politico article made me laugh. We have had fewer than 4,000 cases (a whopping SIX in Mississippi) but Politico thinks that amounts to the virus being able to "sweep the United States". Compare our number to South Korea and China that you have been bragging about. A far smaller than us South Korea has about 8K cases and Red China has 80K. Even the Netherands, with only 5% of our population, has had a thousand or so cases. So yeah, I kind of think we have done very well. Anyone who needs to be tested can be tested and the testing program is expanding greatly.

    https://www.bing.com/search?q=how+ma...RM=CHRDEF&sp=1
  • Mar 16, 2020, 06:46 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...2c5e51706accb5
    researchers in Queensland have found the cure drugs already known and tested
    Don't jump the gun, Clete. They haven't even conducted trials on the drug yet.
  • Mar 16, 2020, 06:49 AM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Your Politico article made me laugh. We have had fewer than 4,000 cases (a whopping SIX in Mississippi) but Politico thinks that amounts to the virus being able to "sweep the United States". Compare our number to South Korea and China that you have been bragging about. A far smaller than us South Korea has about 8K cases and Red China has 80K. Even the Netherands, with only 5% of our population, has had a thousand or so cases. So yeah, I kind of think we have done very well. Anyone who needs to be tested can be tested and the testing program is expanding greatly.

    https://www.bing.com/search?q=how+ma...RM=CHRDEF&sp=1

    You will be laughing out of the other side of your face in a few days, this thing spreads exponentially, so a few cases this week become many next week, but as I said earlier the cure is known and available

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Don't jump the gun, Clete. They haven't even conducted trials on the drug yet.

    The trials will begin by the end of March, patients who have had the drug recovered, the drugs already exist and are readily available, the only thing needing to be confirmed is the application to this disease
  • Mar 16, 2020, 07:03 AM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Your Politico article made me laugh. We have had fewer than 4,000 cases (a whopping SIX in Mississippi) but Politico thinks that amounts to the virus being able to "sweep the United States". Compare our number to South Korea and China that you have been bragging about. A far smaller than us South Korea has about 8K cases and Red China has 80K. Even the Netherands, with only 5% of our population, has had a thousand or so cases. So yeah, I kind of think we have done very well. Anyone who needs to be tested can be tested and the testing program is expanding greatly.

    https://www.bing.com/search?q=how+ma...RM=CHRDEF&sp=1

    Yeah that's what the dufus said, but you don't mind if we wait for actual wholesale testing has been done instead of the small sample we have thus far. One thing we know for fact is the number of infections is ever growing everywhere so resting on just your 6 cases in MS may not be the thing to rest your optimism on because the caveat should be 6 cases so far, since we are in the early stages of detection. Still waiting for that expansion part promised weeks ago, so go ahead and laugh, but experts and the locals are hollering for more help, as the markets dropped 2200 more points before they halted trading and they dropped further still when resuming.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    You will be laughing out of the other side of your face in a few days, this thing spreads exponentially, so a few cases this week become many next week, but as I said earlier the cure is known and available

    The trials will begin by the end of March, patients who have had the drug recovered, the drugs already exist and are readily available, the only thing needing to be confirmed is the application to this disease

    That could take a few months but still a ray of hope in the darkness.
  • Mar 16, 2020, 07:18 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    we wait for actual wholesale testing has been done instead of the small sample we have thus far.
    Wholesale testing has not taken place anywhere.

    Quote:

    One thing we know for fact is the number of infections is ever growing everywhere
    It's spreading everywhere? I thought the rest of the world had it all together?

    Quote:

    so resting on just your 6 cases in MS may not be the thing to rest your optimism on because the caveat should be 6 cases so far
    I'm sure the number will grow, but it hardly amounts to "sweeping the country". That was clearly a bunch of anti-Trump hyperbole.
  • Mar 16, 2020, 08:08 AM
    talaniman
    We cannot say it isn't sweeping the country until a lot more testing has been done, so it also follows we cannot say it won't sweep the country either. We can say the numbers grow rapidly enough to warrant much caution, and precautions as seen in places with rapidly growing numbers and denser populations, but rural locations may have a bigger challenge to needed resources soon.

    I highly recommend you not listen to the dufus on this and rely on health experts and local officials.
  • Mar 16, 2020, 08:17 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    I highly recommend you not listen to the dufus on this
    How surprising.
  • Mar 16, 2020, 08:30 AM
    talaniman
    You only commented on the last sentence, but what about the rest of the post?
  • Mar 16, 2020, 08:45 AM
    jlisenbe
    The rest of the post was kind of a non-statement. "We cannot say it isn't sweeping the country until a lot more testing has been done, so it also follows we cannot say it won't sweep the country either," just is a long way of saying that we really don't know what is going to happen. I think our level of response has been appropriate, and perhaps even over the top. Only time will tell. Large scale testing will prove helpful. I think we both agree on that, but South Korea has done more testing than us, and yet their numbers of infections are double ours.
  • Mar 16, 2020, 09:15 AM
    talaniman
    More test, more cases seems to be the prevailing situation for now, and I think that will certainly hold true as things ramp up here.
  • Mar 16, 2020, 09:39 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    I think you are one of the most committed libs I know. And to be a committed grammarian, why did you misspell "commmitted"?

    I misspelled because I was testing your mood.
    Quote:

    I'll let the "commmitted" grammarian do that. I'm pretty sure that the word "virus" was not the subject of the sentence as you said it was.
    I didn't say it was. "Trump" is the subject, and "kits" is the direct object. "Virus" is the object of the prepositional phrase. The phrasing makes it sound like the "virus" has been "already manufactured and stored."

    "Absolutely unforgivable that Trump didn't have 300 million test kits for testing this heretofore unknown virus already manufactured and stored away in secure warehouses in anticipation of this wholly unexpected day."
    Quote:

    BTW, even though I'm convinced you were wrong in this instance, I most happily will agree that your knowledge of grammar is better than mine. When you asked if I had learned how to diagram a sentence in grade school, it made me laugh. I didn't learn much in school. When I went to college, that all changed, but I didn't get really clear on direct objects until I took Greek in Bible college at the age of 27. Had to learn it then.
    When I was in a public grade school in NC, I learned to diagram. My family moved to NY State when I was in 5th grade, and I continued to learn more complex diagramming in a Lutheran day school. I figured JL (since he is in my generation) was also taught diagramming.
  • Mar 16, 2020, 09:50 AM
    Wondergirl
    I'm wondering if, in three weeks' time or whenever the bars and restaurants reopen, the crowds return to the malls and shops, and all the schools resume classes, will a dormant coronavirus rear its ugly head again?
  • Mar 16, 2020, 10:06 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    I misspelled because I was testing your mood.
    Yeah. Right.

    Quote:

    I didn't say it was.
    Oh??? Here is your quote. "I was pointing out that the noun/subject "virus" and the predicate that follows don't belong together." So you rather plainly said that "virus" was the subject and had a predicate following it.

    I thought it was supposed to just be men who didn't like admitting when they were wrong.

    Quote:

    I figured JL (since he is in my generation) was also taught diagramming.
    What I was taught and what I learned were, I'm sorry to say, two completely different things. I can actually remember seeing a sentence being diagrammed on the chalkboard, and I can also remember rather quickly finding other things to think about.
  • Mar 16, 2020, 10:20 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Oh??? Here is your quote. "I was pointing out that the noun/subject "virus" and the predicate that follows don't belong together." So you rather plainly said that "virus" was the subject and had a predicate following it.

    Here is what you posted:
    "Absolutely unforgivable that Trump didn't have 300 million test kits for testing this heretofore unknown virus already manufactured and stored away in secure warehouses in anticipation of this wholly unexpected day."

    The virus is already manufactured and stored away?

    Here is how it should read to be grammatically correct:
    "Absolutely unforgivable that Trump didn't have 300 million test kits already manufactured and stored away in secure warehouses for testing this heretofore unknown virus in anticipation of this wholly unexpected day."

    The test kits are already manufactured and stored away.
  • Mar 16, 2020, 11:10 AM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    How surprising.

    https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2020/03...e-coronavirus/
  • Mar 16, 2020, 01:24 PM
    jlisenbe
    WG, you just start by saying, "I was wrong." Then you can continue with, "The sentence could have been worded more carefully, but when I said that the word "virus" was a subject, that was incorrect, and when I later claimed not to have said that, it was just a slip of the ole memory. Not only that, but I accidentally misspelled the word 'committed'."

    See how easy that is? You would certainly earn everyone's respect.
  • Mar 16, 2020, 02:32 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    WG, you just start by saying, "I was wrong." Then you can continue with, "The sentence could have been worded more carefully, but when I said that the word "virus" was a subject, that was incorrect, and when I later claimed not to have said that, it was just a slip of the ole memory. Not only that, but I accidentally misspelled the word 'committed'."

    See how easy that is? You would certainly earn everyone's respect.

    I love how you wiggle!

    What is "virus" then? You can't just yell at me; be a good educator and please tell me the correct answer.
  • Mar 16, 2020, 03:15 PM
    jlisenbe
    That's not the point and you know it. You said it was the subject. It is not the subject. You said you didn't say that. You did say that. End of story.

    I have no idea what part of speech it is and don't really care. That's why I didn't bring it up and don't refer to myself as the "commmitted grammarian". That's all on you.
  • Mar 16, 2020, 04:05 PM
    paraclete
    what does it matter, have a little tolerance

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