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  • Nov 27, 2019, 09:04 AM
    jlisenbe
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    I said they were a PART of his base supporters
    No, you didn't. Here is your quote. The word "part" is nowhere to be found. "the coalition pf racist and white evangelicals have coalesced behind."

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    Take off your blinders and read just like I do. Plenty of evidence for BOTH statements.
    Sure there is.

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    What's illegal about that?
    Maybe nothing, but it sure smells to the high heavens. His daddy is the VP and HB himself said that he would never have gotten the position if his last name had not been "Biden". Now maybe it was all perfectly innocent, but it doesn't take much thought to see that it could very well have been a REAL quid pro quo. "We'll give your completely unqualified son, who was kicked out of the navy for drug use, a job in exchange for $$$ in aid," or maybe even dollars under the table. It's at least worth looking into. That's just one reason I think there is a good chance that the dems will not vote to impeach. They know that if this circus gets to the repub controlled Senate, then all bets will be off.
  • Nov 27, 2019, 09:56 AM
    Wondergirl
    Coalition = bloc, faction, union, alliance, partnership, often temporary

    Sounds like "PART of his base" to me.
  • Nov 27, 2019, 10:11 AM
    talaniman
    You know we said the that about Kavanaugh and boy did you holler smear and no evidence, and even some of those conservative judges smell to high heaven, but you guys just push 'em through like hotcakes and butter. All of that goes out the window though as we present more and more evidence of the dufus scandals and antics and we get what about Hunter...what about HC...what about Obama...!

    I like your new excuse about the aid being released to Ukraine without them announcing investigations and just wonder if being caught at his attempt to extort them for political gain have anything to do with it? Of course it did. Hope yo' boy gets his lawyers over to those hearings next week since he was formally invited to them.

    Nice to know the senate has already decided this case well before charges have been filed or presented. Repub minds are already made up and don't know how legal that smells for sure. That's okay, dems just need to do their jobs and let repubs fend for themselves.

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    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Coalition = bloc, faction, union, alliance, partnership, often temporary

    Sounds like "PART of his base" to me.

    He doesn't get it WG, English isn't his native language.
  • Nov 27, 2019, 10:53 AM
    jlisenbe
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    You know we said the that about Kavanaugh and boy did you holler smear and no evidence, and even some of those conservative judges smell to high heaven, but you guys just push 'em through like hotcakes and butter. All of that goes out the window though as we present more and more evidence of the dufus scandals and antics and we get what about Hunter...what about HC...what about Obama...!
    It's real simple. If you think someone is guilty, then go ahead and investigate. If you can FIND REAL EVIDENCE that resolves the issue beyond a reasonable doubt, then you can find the person guilty. In the cases of Kavanaugh and Trump, that has not happened. It has not happened as well with Hunter Biden. I'm an equal opportunity demander of evidence.

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    Coalition = bloc, faction, union, alliance, partnership, often temporary

    Sounds like "PART of his base" to me.
    So it goes like this. You list synonyms for "coalition", none of which includes "part" and none of which means "part". Then you say it sounds like "part of his base" to you. Well, that's about as strange as anything I've seen in a long time. There is nothing in your reply that leads a person to believe that "coalition" means "part of" in any way.
  • Nov 27, 2019, 01:12 PM
    Vacuum7
    Talaniman: You keep wanting to say the South has the "Race Problem" or is rooted in racist tendencies and this is just not as absolute as you make it out to be: There are far too many cases of race problems anywhere from the Northeast through the Midwest and on into the West Coast for anyone to accuse the South of having a monopoly on racism.....In fact, all the big arse Race Riots were everywhere BUT THE SOUTH.

    Liberal regions of the country are endowed with Institutional Racism and you can see it in how they attempted to create "enclaves" of government sponsored housing complexes in order to created "VOTE FARMS" where Democrat voters would be born and raised "from the cradle to the grave."

    Talaniman, if you want to keep digging back 154 year old history to strike pay dirt on "A Racist History Of The South" then you should make sure to also read about and disclose and publicize "THE DEMOCRAT PARTY: THE PARTY OF THE KLAN" because that is a fact, too, of history: When you want to talk history, make it a point to tell all of it, not just the sweet parts that fit the liberal narrative.
  • Nov 27, 2019, 02:25 PM
    paraclete
    Vac; don't you know it is racist to point out someone's racist past. We all come from peoples who have practiced racism in the distant past. Some have wiped out antecedent peoples, some have enslaved, some have ignored poverty and destitution, and as you want to focus on, some have murdered and terrorised
  • Nov 27, 2019, 02:47 PM
    Vacuum7
    Paraclete: My point, exactly: For ANYONE to point and cry racism is like "the pot calling the kettle black"! Hell, New York had slaves at one time! Anyone wanting to be self-righteous about this subject needs to check their brakes: YOU AIN'T THAT CLEAN....SO STOP PREACHING!
  • Nov 27, 2019, 02:50 PM
    jlisenbe
    Vac, you have a legit point, but it's also true that white southerners from decades ago were big-time offenders. At the very least, many stood by, watched terrible injustice, and did nothing about it. And that doesn't mention the Confederacy and slavery.
  • Nov 27, 2019, 03:50 PM
    Wondergirl
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    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    So it goes like this. You list synonyms for "coalition", none of which includes "part" and none of which means "part". Then you say it sounds like "part of his base" to you. Well, that's about as strange as anything I've seen in a long time. There is nothing in your reply that leads a person to believe that "coalition" means "part of" in any way.

    bloc = faction, sect, section, pressure group, division, clique, cell

    Sounds like a PART of something to me, a group smaller than the whole!

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    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Vac, you have a legit point, but it's also true that white southerners from decades ago were big-time offenders. At the very least, many stood by, watched terrible injustice, and did nothing about it. And that doesn't mention the Confederacy and slavery.

    I was born and lived until my teens in the South. White families loved their black mammy or their friendly black garbageman. They hated the race.
  • Nov 27, 2019, 04:22 PM
    paraclete
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    I was born and lived until my teens in the South. White families loved their black mammy or their friendly black garbageman. They hated the race.

    Sorry WG, but to me that is a dreadfully racist statement, It reeks of the slavery and disenfranchisement of the coloured people and that you cannot see it is tragic
  • Nov 27, 2019, 04:36 PM
    Wondergirl
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    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Sorry WG, but to me that is a dreadfully racist statement, It reeks of the slavery and disenfranchisement of the coloured people and that you cannot see it is tragic

    That wasn't MY experience. It was what I observed when I visited friends' homes. "Love the black person, but hate the race" was a common comment. Yes, it was tragic. And Chicago's white former South Siders still talk about "white flight" when they moved to the west side of the city to avoid living among blacks who were moving into that area.
  • Nov 27, 2019, 05:49 PM
    paraclete
    We all have people we don't like because of their behaviour, and it is very difficult to be surrounded by people of that persuasion, to move away may not be racism, it may be common sense to avoid confrontation
  • Nov 27, 2019, 06:15 PM
    jlisenbe
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    bloc = faction, sect, section, pressure group, division, clique, cell

    Sounds like a PART of something to me, a group smaller than the whole!
    Yeah. Now if you can locate "bloc" anywhere in Tal's quote, you might have a case. Since you can't, then you don't. Tal contended that he said "they were a PART of his base supporters". He said no such thing. It's a ridiculous claim. Anyone who knows English knows he did not say it.

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    I was born and lived until my teens in the South. White families loved their black mammy or their friendly black garbageman. They hated the race.
    I was raised in Mississippi in the 60's. We had no "black mammy" and neither did anyone else. I had no idea who the garbage man was and didn't care. There were some hardheads who hated blacks, but most people were fine with them. When the schools integrated, it was, in most places, a great big nothing of an event.

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    "Love the black person, but hate the race" was a common comment.
    I never heard that comment a single time until I just now read it in your post.
  • Nov 27, 2019, 06:44 PM
    Vacuum7
    W.G.: There was "White Flight" all over the U.S. but particularly in the North...and, there STILL is WHITE FLIGHT AND BLACK FLIGHT WHEN THE CHICANOS MOVE IN! I don't know if these types of reactions will stop anytime soon but I also know that you can't blame these reactions on any particular political affiliation, either and to do so is simply disingenuous. The faster the GOVERNMENT gets its nose out of the fouled-up business of SOCIAL ENGINEERING AND RACE LABELING, THE QUICKER IT WILL GO AWAY!

    If you have't noticed: Just about everything the GOVERNMENT touches turns to sh#&!
  • Nov 27, 2019, 07:54 PM
    paraclete
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    Originally Posted by Vacuum7 View Post

    If you have't noticed: Just about everything the GOVERNMENT touches turns to sh#&!

    Yes dogooders will do that, and guess what their political persuasion is likely to be
  • Nov 28, 2019, 06:49 AM
    jlisenbe
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    The faster the GOVERNMENT gets its nose out of the fouled-up business of SOCIAL ENGINEERING AND RACE LABELING, THE QUICKER IT WILL GO AWAY!
    I wanted to stand up and applaud when I read that. There will always be problems because people have problems, but when the feds decide to come in and make things better, then fasten your seatbelt because it's going to be a bumpy ride.
  • Nov 28, 2019, 06:50 AM
    talaniman
    The government is only as good as the people who elect it. We do have the government we deserve now, and if it's not good enough for you, change it next November. LOL, I love it when you righties blame bad government that you have controlled for the last 6 years on the dems. You guys are good at hollering and whining but lousy listeners, and even worse at understanding your own language you want everybody to speak.

    JL, it's no wonder your literal understanding of our language leaves you so perplexed, and maybe you should revisit your position of the written word, since after further explanation you still don't get it, and it sends you off on all kinds of tangents that are unrelated to the simple statement presented to you. I suspect the zeal to promote your own agenda blinds you and renders your ears as useless.

    For my part though I will try to simplify and be more precise with my words in an effort to convey my positions and opinions more effectively. Being stuck on the meaning of words was not my intention. I wish all a great Thanksgiving and hope you enjoy family, food, and friends.
  • Nov 28, 2019, 07:00 AM
    jlisenbe
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    you have controlled for the last 6 years on the dems.
    The past six years? What?

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    JL, it's no wonder your literal understanding of our language leaves you so perplexed, and maybe you should revisit your position of the written word, since after further explanation you still don't get it, and it sends you off on all kinds of tangents that are unrelated to the simple statement presented to you. I suspect the zeal to promote your own agenda blinds you and renders your ears as useless.
    You made a racially prejudiced statement, and then you tried to soften it by claiming you "said" something that you, in fact, did not say. Now if you want to clarify your meaning then fine. You could say, "I said xxx but I should have said xxx." OK. I can get that, but to claim you said something that you did NOT say is a false claim.

    Your statement gives me cause for concern simply because it seems there are a lot of folks out there who really believe that Trump is a blazing racist and that every white person who voted for him is likewise a racist. That's a despicable belief that is far removed from the truth. The party that nominated a loser like HC shouldn't complain when they don't win.

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    For my part though I will try to simplify and be more precise with my words in an effort to convey my positions and opinions more effectively. Being stuck on the meaning of words was not my intention. I wish all a great Thanksgiving and hope you enjoy family, food, and friends.
    Simplification is not needed, but precision is always a good idea. I know you want to resort to me "being stuck on the meaning of words", but if words don't have meaning, then language becomes useless.

    I hope you have a great Thanksgiving as well. I thought about you yesterday. I was painting the carport ceiling and thinking about how much I hate painting. I imagine you have had to do some painting at times in your life. I just wondered if you disliked it as much as I do.
  • Nov 28, 2019, 08:38 AM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    The past six years? What?

    You have had full control of congress since 2012, stopping Obamas agenda in it's tracks as well as appointing judges and SCOTUS, This changed in 2018, when you lost the house, after winning the WH in 2016.

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    You made a racially prejudiced statement, and then you tried to soften it by claiming you "said" something that you, in fact, did not say. Now if you want to clarify your meaning then fine. You could say, "I said xxx but I should have said xxx." OK. I can get that, but to claim you said something that you did NOT say is a false claim.
    Is it my fault my nuanced and command of language went over your head? A simple statement of fact that I felt needed clarification because YOU misunderstood it.

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    Your statement gives me cause for concern simply because it seems there are a lot of folks out there who really believe that Trump is a blazing racist and that every white person who voted for him is likewise a racist. That's a despicable belief that is far removed from the truth. The party that nominated a loser like HC shouldn't complain when they don't win.
    I am not accountable for anyone but myself and that includes my part of OUR misunderstanding. Never said ALL dufus voters were racists, that's just how YOU read it. I own saying the dufus is a racists though, and recognize that's not his only shortfall, since I pointed out he is a greedy selfish racist as a precise qualifier.

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    Simplification is not needed, but precision is always a good idea. I know you want to resort to me "being stuck on the meaning of words", but if words don't have meaning, then language becomes useless.
    Sometimes language is useless and inadequate and has always lead to misunderstandings and hard feelings amongst us humans. Probably always will but we can discuss it and gain better understanding through those discussions.

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    I hope you have a great Thanksgiving as well. I thought about you yesterday. I was painting the carport ceiling and thinking about how much I hate painting. I imagine you have had to do some painting at times in your life. I just wondered if you disliked it as much as I do.
    LOL, I don't paint and quit completely in the late 70's. I'd rather pay a guy and go fishing to be honest. Nope no paint brushes in my toolbox. The wife gave up asking decades ago.
  • Nov 28, 2019, 03:07 PM
    jlisenbe
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    You have had full control of congress since 2012, stopping Obamas agenda in it's tracks as well as appointing judges and SCOTUS, This changed in 2018, when you lost the house, after winning the WH in 2016.
    Once again your writing skills have failed you. You wrote, "you have controlled for the last 6 years on the dems." Now you want to change your meaning to include the congress only.

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    Is it my fault my nuanced and command of language went over your head? A simple statement of fact that I felt needed clarification because YOU misunderstood it.
    "Nuanced?" "Command of language?" That made me laugh. How about "I made a racially prejudiced remark and now I don't want to own it?" Or better yet, "I made a statement that does not reflect my true feeling on the matter and I would like to clarify/correct it."

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    Sometimes language is useless and inadequate
    That is apparently sometimes true with you, especially when you claim to be "nuanced".

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    LOL, I don't paint and quit completely in the late 70's. I'd rather pay a guy and go fishing to be honest. Nope no paint brushes in my toolbox. The wife gave up asking decades ago.
    That is very wise, my friend.
  • Nov 28, 2019, 09:43 PM
    Vacuum7
    Talaniman: I cannot be stereotyped as a racist and I don't know many people who could be labeled that way in the South....it is easy to see, if you know what to look for, and not easy to see EVEN IF you know what to look for because, most of the time, its a hidden thing......However, labeling Trump a racist isn't going to help the Demos get elected, mainly because, if you look at the total body of work Trump has pulled off in the 45+ years he has been out there, he has never shown any racist proclivities....so, "That dog won't hunt"!

    I don't condemn just Demo Administrations on what they have done with or to race relations I condemn all of them: I think that they have all sucked pretty hard, some more than others, but all have sucked!

    Insofar as the PAINTING QUESTION, JL: Talaniman might be the smartest man in the room on this: Just don't! My wife goads me into painting and then proceeds to criticize the devil out of my painting. I just got finished doing BASEBOARDS throughout the house....and my knees are killing me!!! I am a pretty good painter but I HATE IT! It tortures me......and, if anyone has noticed, the Paint Stores of today are not that skilled at helping you out on either color match or texture match....and, you would think that they would be with all the modern matching gadgetry but they miss more than hit the marks.
  • Nov 29, 2019, 08:45 AM
    talaniman
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    Insofar as the PAINTING QUESTION, JL: Talaniman might be the smartest man in the room on this: Just don't! My wife goads me into painting and then proceeds to criticize the devil out of my painting. I just got finished doing BASEBOARDS throughout the house....and my knees are killing me!!! I am a pretty good painter but I HATE IT! It tortures me......and, if anyone has noticed, the Paint Stores of today are not that skilled at helping you out on either color match or texture match....and, you would think that they would be with all the modern matching gadgetry but they miss more than hit the marks.

    I am allergic to fresh paint! Even if another guy does it, I simply can't be around it. See you when it dries.
  • Nov 29, 2019, 10:39 AM
    jlisenbe
    I don't mind using a roller brush and attacking flat surfaces. It's the cutting in around doors, baseboards, and window panes that I hate.
  • Nov 30, 2019, 04:43 AM
    talaniman
    The dufus sure hasn't helped his own case concerning race relations nor has his supporters done anything to disspell those stereotypes you guys hate so much. Maybe dems haven't done so great either but a seat at the table is better than none you have to admit.
  • Nov 30, 2019, 06:27 AM
    jlisenbe
    Yeah. Trump plainly hates minorities. I guess that explains why we now have the lowest black unemployment in history and the growing support of Trump in the black community.

    As to stereotypes, they are, in this case, the same thing as racially prejudiced views. I don't really care much about them. I look at it as someone else's problem.
  • Nov 30, 2019, 07:52 AM
    talaniman
    I think he is more selfish than he is a hater, but uses the stereotypes, fear and hatred of others to get what he wants, so it's not just somebody else's problem.
  • Nov 30, 2019, 08:59 AM
    jlisenbe
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    I think he is more selfish than he is a hater, but uses the stereotypes, fear and hatred of others to get what he wants, so it's not just somebody else's problem.
    Kind of like Obama did when he referred to those who were clinging to their guns and religion? Kind of like that?
  • Nov 30, 2019, 09:55 AM
    talaniman
    Naw, more like Obama is a Muslim born in Africa, or Mexican judges can't be fair to the dufus or immigrants are rapists, or Ukraine colluded with dems against the dufus, or talk to Rudy or Barr and help them get dirt on the Bidens. Or even "I created the greatest economy the world has ever known".

    I could keep going but you get my drift, but will never admit the lies the dufus has told in just 3 years that makes any other human in history an angel in comparison.
  • Nov 30, 2019, 09:57 AM
    jlisenbe
    I'll be happy to get honest about Trump when you can bring yourself to get honest about Obama. At least Trump has not lied about negligence which led to the deaths of four Americans.

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    makes any othe r human in history an angel in comparison.
    Yeah. It reminds us of those "angels" such as Pol Pot, Hitler and Stalin. Good grief, Tal. Do you even bother to read what you post?
  • Nov 30, 2019, 10:31 AM
    talaniman
    Benghazi is your version of reality, as well as how you treat the dufus and everything else we discuss. Unfortunately all your investigations and noise is just proof of repub incompetence that went nowhere. Like I said in the other thread, it's our turn and you better hope we are as feckless as you guys have been because if not, we dump the dufus.

    Stay tuned!
  • Nov 30, 2019, 10:48 AM
    jlisenbe
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    Stay tuned!
    Good advice.
  • Nov 30, 2019, 12:08 PM
    Vacuum7
    Talaniman: Dufus being dumped? Not likely: Even now the Schiff Show is waning and the rest of "the pack" of wolves are having cold feet about actually VOTING for such a baseless accusation....and accusation which has changed form since its first inception.....Everyone likes to talk the talk but walking the walk is different story: Like him or not, TRUMP WALKS THE WAY HE TALKS: Did you see he signed the Pro-Democracy Bill on Hong Kong DESPITE THE CHICOM THREATS? TOLD HE REDS TO GO POUND RICE! Do you think Obama would have done that? HELL NO!
  • Nov 30, 2019, 07:41 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Vacuum7 View Post
    Talaniman: Dufus being dumped? Not likely: Even now the Schiff Show is waning and the rest of "the pack" of wolves are having cold feet about actually VOTING for such a baseless accusation....and accusation which has changed form since its first inception.....Everyone likes to talk the talk but walking the walk is different story: Like him or not, TRUMP WALKS THE WAY HE TALKS: Did you see he signed the Pro-Democracy Bill on Hong Kong DESPITE THE CHICOM THREATS? TOLD HE REDS TO GO POUND RICE! Do you think Obama would have done that? HELL NO!

    You mean Trump found something everyone agreed on? remarkable, you all agreed to interfere in the affairs of another nation while you disagree on how to handle your own affairs. ROFLU! You accuse Russia and the Ukraine of meddling in your affairs while you meddle in the affairs of others. HYPROCRASY your name is AMERICA
  • Nov 30, 2019, 08:26 PM
    Vacuum7
    Paraclete: Red China is one country that should be harassed AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY. Those bastards have had it way too their way for way too long a time. Just a few days ago YOU SAID that the ChiComs were INTEFERRING IN AUSTRALIAN ELECTIONS! ChiComs are a big problem: How do you solve big problems? YOU START, SOMEWHERE!

    Paraclete: I detest Marxism....and that includes the biggest commie state of all in Red China.....Red China is the threat of threats but, yet, we have people who STILL want to chase Russia down a rabbit hole and they aren't even communist! I am proud to say that I had relatives, on both sides of my family, who did what they could to eliminate the commie scourge from this earth, through lead poisoning, no less. Its too bad that I could go back in time to Jolly Old England and put bullet between Karl Marx's eyes. You know, in this day and age where history is being white washed in the U.S. with the tearing down of statues, the Brits are STILL so proud of the giant turd called Karl Marx: He has a huge statue standing in England.....now that is truly disgusting but, at least they are owning up to having harbored and nurtured and given safe refuge to the POS!
  • Dec 1, 2019, 02:50 AM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Vacuum7 View Post
    Talaniman: Dufus being dumped? Not likely: Even now the Schiff Show is waning and the rest of "the pack" of wolves are having cold feet about actually VOTING for such a baseless accusation....and accusation which has changed form since its first inception.....Everyone likes to talk the talk but walking the walk is different story: Like him or not, TRUMP WALKS THE WAY HE TALKS: Did you see he signed the Pro-Democracy Bill on Hong Kong DESPITE THE CHICOM THREATS? TOLD HE REDS TO GO POUND RICE! Do you think Obama would have done that? HELL NO!

    Nothing has changed, the message for impeachment is just being honed and WILL be presented to the senate soon enough. What has changed is the repubs defense of the dufus, which is falling apart as more EVIDENCE is being gathered. You know FACTS that the dufus tried to keep quiet? You can ignore it at your own peril all you want, but I doubt you can just dismiss it without consequence like you hope.

    All criminals and bad guys deny their crimes and the dufus seems to have the jury rigged heavily in his favor, but the senate isn't the only ones to pass judgement. You wish it was.
  • Dec 1, 2019, 05:43 AM
    jlisenbe
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    Nothing has changed, the message for impeachment is just being honed and WILL be presented to the senate soon enough. What has changed is the repubs defense of the dufus, which is falling apart as more EVIDENCE is being gathered. You know FACTS that the dufus tried to keep quiet?
    Do you engage in these fantasies very often? Having a Senate trial will be, in some ways, a windfall for the repubs. When they put people like Schiff and H Biden up there under oath, then the truth is going to start to come out and it won't be good for the dems.
  • Dec 1, 2019, 07:01 AM
    Vacuum7
    JL: Is the Senate Trial a "Criminal Trial"? By that, I mean can a turd like HB be "uncovered" and set up to pursued in a criminal case? That would be great!

    Talaniman: The Dufus, as you call President Trump, can always DEFER/APPEAL to SCOTUS and guess what? SCOTUS is decidedly leaning Right.....and its only going to get worse when RBG goes down: Trump will appoint someone even further to the Right than Judge who is on there now: The Courts scare the pure hell out of the left.
  • Dec 1, 2019, 10:43 AM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Do you engage in these fantasies very often? Having a Senate trial will be, in some ways, a windfall for the repubs. When they put people like Schiff and H Biden up there under oath, then the truth is going to start to come out and it won't be good for the dems.

    What an interesting fantasy you have concocted. Even if they Biden or Schiff could be compelled to testify, what bearing would that have on any charges against the dufus? That's right, NONE!

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    Originally Posted by Vacuum7 View Post
    JL: Is the Senate Trial a "Criminal Trial"? By that, I mean can a turd like HB be "uncovered" and set up to pursued in a criminal case? That would be great!

    Talaniman: The Dufus, as you call President Trump, can always DEFER/APPEAL to SCOTUS and guess what? SCOTUS is decidedly leaning Right.....and its only going to get worse when RBG goes down: Trump will appoint someone even further to the Right than Judge who is on there now: The Courts scare the pure hell out of the left.

    You guys are really screwy today. There is no appeal to SCOTUS and sole judgement in an impeachment trial rests with the senate.
  • Dec 1, 2019, 11:24 AM
    Vacuum7
    Talaniman: I asked because I didn't know.....O.K., now I know.

    Biden and Schiff do have a bearing on events: All you have to ask is "Who is the CHIEF LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER IN THE LAND?" If you think its head of the FBI, you are wrong! Its the POTUS! That means, if Trump thought Biden had committed sins in Ukraine or any other damned place in the world, it is Trump's right, NO, HIS OBLIGATION TO HIS OFFICE, to go find out what the hell BIDEN did and to get as much information on the CRIMES THAT BIDEN COMMITTED so that he can be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law! By conditions of The Office Of The President, Trump can go after Schiff for all his filthy leaking of information and his underhanded, illegal acts. TRUMP IS STILL THE MAN WITH THE BIG STICK!
  • Dec 1, 2019, 12:00 PM
    talaniman
    I will repeat, there is a process by which our government can investigate foreigners, and Americans in a foreign land and that was not, and has NOT been done. It starts with the DOJ asking the foreign government formally to do so and certainly not with a do me a favor phone call from the Prez. In addition, there is a formal process to with hold financial or military aid to a foreign government that the congress and the defense dept has to review and the Prez has to sign. That was done so if there were questions the dufus should have raised them before he signed the thing and certainly not through OMB after the fact or in secret. That also requires a formal notice to the congress which was NOT done and that was against the law. Here's the LAW again, that you obviously missed.

    'Title X of the Act, also known as the Impoundment Control Act of 1974, specifies that the President may request that Congress rescind appropriated funds. If both the Senate and the House of Representatives have not approved a rescission proposal (by passing legislation) within 45 days of continuous session, any funds being withheld must be made available for obligation. Congress is not required to vote on the request, and has ignored most Presidential requests.[4] In response, some[who?] have called for a line item veto to strengthen the rescission power and force Congress to vote on the disputed funds.The Act was passed in response to feelings in Congress that President Nixon was abusing his power of impoundment by withholding funding of programs he opposed. The Act, especially after Train v. City of New York (1975), effectively removed the presidential power of impoundment.[5]In late November 2019, the obscure Impoundment Control Act made news during the Trump impeachment investigation, as two budget office staffers resigned over their concerns over apparent improprieties regarding the hold of approved Ukraine military funds. Among the concerns was the questionable transfer of decision-making authority to a political appointee.[6][7][8][9]"

    So the notion the dufus has unlimited unrestricted power and authority is BOGUS! By that measure the congress under article I of the constitution has as MUCH power as the dufus, so Schiff and the boys and girls are certainly equal as the prez, since they own the big stick in the House.

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