Yes minor parties are very useful in disrupting the electoral process and often achieve the wrong result drawing off vital supportQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
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Yes minor parties are very useful in disrupting the electoral process and often achieve the wrong result drawing off vital supportQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
One would assume any candidate for president in the general election is a suitable one but that sure isn't the case especially those 3rd party ones.
BREAKING NEWS
Kurt Volcker testified before the Impeachment committee Tuesday, that Joe Biden had great integrity, and the claims against him are crap, as well as declaring Ukrainian election interference in 2016 is a LIE! Let's remember that Volcker, and Morrison are repub witnesses called by House repubs. This is different from his closed door testimony that the investigations wanted by the dufus from the Ukraine government were legitimate corruption probes.
Vindman, Williams, Volcker, and Morrison all testified the phone call to Zelenskiy was inappropriate and they reported it to the NSA counsel as such, bolstering the dem claim of bribery and extortion by the dufus. So where do repubs and dufus sycophants go from here?
Why, they keep hollering foul to the dems as they've been doing! What else can you do when there is no defense for the bad criminal dufus behavior.
Kurt Volcker is an old Republican hack from way back: Why in the world would you believe ANYTHING he had to say? Kurt Volcker wouldn't know "GREAT INTEGRITY" if "GREAT INTEGRITY" grew a mouth and four legs and walked up and bit him in his arse!
I find it funny that people will yield support to a despicable political hack like Kurt Volcker today when yesterday they would have condemned Kurt Volcker for being a bastard RIGHT WING LOONEY TUNER!
Are you wingers ready to admit I was right yet? The guy in the WH is a lying cheating dufus that corrupts everything and everybody he puts his greedy hands on. Draining the swamp ain't the solution. We have a rat infestation.
Enough testimony let's INDICT!
Why involve yourselves in exercises in futility? Even if the Repelicans hate TRUMP they are not going to impeach him. No politician voluntarily lets the other party win. The Demonrats are doing this because they have no power to do anything else. Should the Repelicans yield to their inferior intellect? It is a bad idea. However bad Trump might be, they don't have a viable alternativeQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Never played a team sport? Winning means everybody does their job. It doesn't matter what the senate does, but the House should just do it's job. Even still the team could lose against a better team, but you still have to give it your best shot don't you? Our system has such guidelines and there are always alternatives. That's why we have a prez, VICE prez, and order of succession for any contingency. One thing these hearings have borne out is the dufus keeps everybody in the dark about what he is doing, and with who and is pretty glib for a non experienced politician, but as a mob boss he is particularly skilled.
He would make a great dictator too.
Talaniman: How can Trump be both a "dufus", a glib politician, and a "skilled" crime boss all at the same time? Are these things, by definitions, mutually exclusive of one another?
I do think Trump is "instinctual" about things, life, in general: Known people like this before in my life....one of my four brothers has this "knack", he went through Vietnam "unscathed"....they were "More lucky than good" types but they always seemed to land upright.....I'm not that way but those that are always captured my imagination: Why were they that way? I think its because they are closer to their "animal instincts" than some of us.
Tal this is not a game, I think you americans pay too much attention to the "game". What do you mean make a dictator? He acts like a dictator, his rhetoric is like a dictator, make the country great, bomb, terror, threats, all that is missing is invasionsQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Trump acts like a dictator? That is a stretch.....How can you extrapolate what Trump does to a dictator? If he was a dictator he would go into the Impeachment chamber and slap the hell out of Little Adam Schiff while shutting the process down. Who has Trump bombed, say by comparison: Reagan bombed more, George H. Bush bombed more, Clinton bombed more, George W. Bush bombed more, Obama bombed more.....what are you talking about? "Make America Great" is a dictator's slogan? Really? Where is Trump's terror?
It's really simple Vac, he is a salesman, that's how he makes a living whether its a casino, hotel, golf course, university, or his charity. Step right up folks for the greatest show on Earth! You have to admit he keeps both foes and supporters energized and engaged in either his demise, or his rise! Boils down to either you believe his lies, or you don't, and I've been saying he lies all the time, and some WANT to believe them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vacuum7
You don't have to have an invasion to be a dictator, or even bomb someone just get the power to stamp out all the opposition in your country. He does that with his daily diatribe of putting everyone down that opposes him.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
No he won't go into these hearings and testify under oath, or let his main men testify either. Lying is what he does and NEVER under oath because that would be a blatant crime now wouldn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vacuum7
Tal; Trump now has his neck in a noose, but we both know the Senate won't kick out the stool, I expect they don't like lynchings.
Vac; as I pointed out Trump is channeling his inner Hitler, honestly; you would think he was using the same speechwriter, make ....... great again, If he drops 1 KT bombs I will drop 1000 KT bombs and wipe ...... off the map, we will win this war. need I go on, as I said, we don't have an invasion yet, I did say yet. and the only reason for that is Trump is distracted by disloyalty and impeachment
That is part of the problem Clete, the dufus has been replacing skilled and experienced workers with people who are loyal to him and will do his bidding and that is the mark of a wanna be dictator who has to destroy and disrupt the functions of the existing structures and institutions before that can be accomplished.
Often this is done without the advise and consent of the congress, and the Ukraine is but one example.
Yes Tal he believes himself to be invincible, to possess all wisdom, the title he seeks isn't dictator, it is almighty
While the House gets it's report together for the judiciary commitee to form what charges will be filed you think the dufus can just be quiet? Naw that's impossible, but a whole lot of otehr things can surely be "leaked" about the dufus sycophants. I was shocked when I looked up CROWDSTRIKE a company the dufus wanted Zelenskiy to investigate was an AMERICAN cyber security firm that has a multitude of fortune 500 companies as clients, including the Republican National Committee.
Further evidence that the dufus doesn't know what he is talking about, or worse, he is determined to get Vlad off the hook for serial cyber attacks on several countries, most notably the US.
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Originally Posted by talaniman
How much more evidence do you need the media has the evidence to convict him and you don't need a House vote or a senate vote. Trump is guilty, but of what, since this isn't a court of law. I think he is guilty of being incredibly stupid, like he didn't know someone was watching, listening, waiting to trap him in an indiscretionQuote:
“The evidence of his impeachable behavior at this point, in my view, is overwhelming," says the Fox News analyst.
Paraclete: What indiscretion?
Believe me on this: Trump is way too smug! He is almost giddy....and I think that I know why:
1) The "Origins of the Russia Investigation" report is coming out from Barr
2) Inspector Horowitz's report is coming out
3) The Senate's "COUNTERSTRIKE" Impeachment Trial is being planned as I write this....The SENATE WILL CALL UP ALL THE IMPEACHMENT "WITNESSES" and Hunter Biden and OLD BIDEN and what they will do to them will be disgusting!
So, like always: You push Trump and he will pick up a baseball bat and bust your head....one day, the left will finally get this registered in their thick skulls: Trump will always have the last laugh.
You know what that ("Counterstrike") is all about?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vacuum7
W.G.: The Senate Trial of the Congress' IMPEACHMENT will be a grand stage setting having little to nothing to do with Trump's guilt or innocence but more to do with the presentation of a platform to showcase the vast left wing conspiracy that was set in motion to take Trump's Presidency down. There are several Senators who are salivating in the anticipation of interrogating Hunter Biden and OLD Biden on the Senate floor in order to bring to light their dirty dealings in Ukraine. Additionally, there will be much more to come as the Senate Trial will surely have access to evidence gathered from the Attorney General's Office.
THIS SENATE TRIAL WILL NOT BE GOOD FOR THE COUNTRY! While I support the truth coming out, as well as the exposure or any conspiracy to overturn Trump's Presidency, I don't think the country needs this to Senate "Trial", outside of a Guilty or "Not Guilty" vote....all the "extra" grilling and bloodletting that will surely ensue as Repub Senators take "revenge" on the left will only serve to further divide the country: WE NEED HEALING RIGHT NOW, NOT MORE DEVISIVENESS!
So you don't know what it means.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vacuum7
W.G.: No, I used the word "COUNTERSTRIKE" (not to be confused with CLOUDSTRIKER), to describe how much of the Senate will view this "Trial": They view it as an opportunity to "counterstrike" the left and Demos.
No, Counterstrike. Apparently, you aren't up on what's being planned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vacuum7
Please enlighten us
W.G.: The SENATE is REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED! There will be a counterstrike to the IMPEACHMENT proceedings of Democrat controlled Congress: The Republican SENATE intends to take revenge upon Democrats in the Senate Trial, and it will be BLOODY! This the counterstrike I referred to here: ELEPHANTS (Republicans) have long memories!
If the congress cannot compel Mulvaney, Bolton, and Pompeo, or Rudy, AND the dufus to testify, or appear for a deposition, then how do you think the Bidens will testify? A senate trial is a heavy lift for the dems in the house for sure, but I'm sure the case will be made and be compelling and expose the dufus and his bad behavior and high crimes and misdemeanors.
Talaniman: Senate Trial is LEGAL TRIAL (not OPTIONAL)…..young Biden and OLD Biden will be brought up before the Senate, even if its in shackles, kicking and screaming!
I think we may be a ways off from a senate trial though VAC, and if repubs think they can hang their hats on conspiracy theories and have the Bidens testify and not the presidents men, then you may get a big surprise repubs don't like. But you keep holding on to the story it's okay for a president to ask a foreign government to get dirt on his opponent.
Talaniman: Trump may yet get what he wants in Biden dropping out of the race: The REAL Quid Pro Quo may be "OLD Biden, make up your mind: 1) Want to keep running and we'll throw your son's arse in jail or 2) Drop out and we'll leave your son alone to go take care of his new illegitimate son that DNA testing just proved was his. You know it is amazing that Biden is so PRO-ABORTION but when it comes to using ABORTION he can't see his way to do it.....ABORTION is just good for "the masses" of serfs not the high mucky mucks like him.
Remember: There are a host of other REPORTS fixing to be unleashed by Barr and Hororwitz…..When they reveal that the Trump Campaign FISA Warrants were granted on lies told by the FBI to a Federal Judge its going to be an "OH SH&$" moment for the left.
You sure love conspiracy theories and wild speculations, don't you?
Talaniman: Is it that obvious? You know I love the conspiracy theories and wild speculations! Its the only thing exciting in this crazy Body Politic of ours! If we didn't have this 24/7 Circus, this stuff would bore us to tears. And don't even act like you don't like it, too, Talaniman!
From a Libertarian's perspective, this IMPEACHMENT spectacle is amazing to watch: The TWO PARTIES ripping each other's bowels out!
You know vac, where I come from we don't have a 24/7 circus, I guess that is because we have you to watch. We did have one, back when the left was in power, but once we got the leftists out of power, things are serene and we can concentrate on the real issue, which is China and its espionage and subversionQuote:
Originally Posted by Vacuum7
Pretty wild statement for any supporter of the current lib congressional circus to say.Quote:
You sure love conspiracy theories and wild speculations, don't you?
Paraclete: Well you guys have it figured out: We, too, ought to be worrying about Red China and its espionage and subversion, and we have a President who wants to step of the ChiComs throats, as you see him doing it economically.....but we can't get our focus where it should be, which is China, because the left is still too worried about Russia and, now, the Ukraine......What I have never been about to square in all of this is the fact that THE LEFT USED TO LOVE RUSSIA WHEN IT WAS COMMUNIST but, now, that they aren't Communist (not since 1990!), they don't like them....what in the hell gives? I mean Bernie "Red Dog" Sanders went on a honeymoon of one of his three marriages to Communist Russia and Bill and Hillary Clinton went to Communist Russia during the Vietnam conflict (when U.S. Soldiers were being killed by weapons supplied by Communist Russia, no less) but, yet, Hillary is still their darling MOMMA CLINTON! The left in the U.S. is sure enough crazy!!!
You'd be crazy too if you had to listen to the right wing noise machine constantly bleeting about the left. Oh wait, you are crazy, as obviously you are a right wing loony, pretending to not pick sides.
No we actually have a Chinese plot to infiltrate our government and subvert our democratic processes. A Chinese spy has defected which makes no sense since he will wind up dead in a dark alleyQuote:
Originally Posted by Vacuum7
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-...aiwan/11735176
Talaniman: Not a "Right Winger". However, I don't support Police using illegal means to obtain a conviction......and, likewise, I can't support the use of illegal means to convict a POTUS of something he supposedly did: The FISA Warrants falsification is a real problem because it shows a conspiracy within law enforcement to overturn and elected POTUS.
Congratulations, Vac. When the folks start calling you "crazy" and "a right wing loony", then it's clear that you have introduced arguments which they have no answers for.Quote:
You'd be crazy too if you had to listen to the right wing noise machine constantly bleeting about the left. Oh wait, you are crazy, as obviously you are a right wing loony, pretending to not pick sides.
If one person is a conspiracy, what is the dufus and his administration spreading Vlad propaganda, and extorting political favors from foreign government officials? Where is your evidence or probable cause for investigating the Biden's, or why did the dufus go outside official channels to do so? If the dufus has done nothing wrong, why does he order his flunkies not to testify in front of a duly elected congress. So while I can appreciate your concerns and convictions your words and actions don't exactly match.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vacuum7
Biased? Maybe a bit leaning definitely right or in favor of the lying cheating dufus. By the way the dems are going by the constitution and exercising the obligation to inquire to see if the dufus has overstepped his authority and committed high crimes or misdemeanors and the repubs will have and do have the opportunity to exercise theirs, as it seems the conspiracy lies with the dufus, and seems to be a long line of them and a multiple cases can be made for obstruction on many levels.
As many investigations and hearings as HC went through I know repubs can't be hollering that loud though true wingers are always hollering. Feel free to elaborate so I can stop thinking you sound like those loony right wingers and just nutty but not BIASED.
Your lying cheating dufus is the one with no answers or at least untruthful ones that bear close scrutiny!Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
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