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I bet it has more to do with an aging population, retirements, or people staying home to care for kids, or family, and unemployment but that's speculation without accompanying data. It is ticking up, but the high range is 67 and the low is 62.5, which is not that wide, 5 points or so over a decade.
I could see a factors more with more data.
How did you do that???
At any rate, the point is that part of Obama's reduction in unemployment was the decision by several million people to just drop out of the work force. Nevertheless, I do give him credit for cutting the unemployment rate basically in half, just as I give Trump credit for the historic lows we now have for unemployment as well as rising wages and individual incomes. Agreed???
I honestly could agree if the dufus was a lot more humble, and didn't try to hog ALL the credit while berating his predessesor.s He's NOT so he lies! I have been quite lavish in giving him credit for being a big fat liar! Not what you wanted to hear? Take it up with HIM, not me. I don't deal with lying bullies that way.
You know that!
Copy and pasting by right clicking is part of my program in windows touch screen. You must have an entirely different system. Did you try highlighting it first?
Obama had 8 YEARS to drop UNEMPLOYMENT to 4.7%.
As you know, the lower the values, the more difficult it is to reduce the values....the lower residuals are always the toughest to effect.
That is absolutely true, but not an excuse for the dufus to lie and deceive by saying he did it all by himself. That's disgusting.
Total nonsense yourself. The unemployment rate is NOT the economy - it is PART of the economy. ECON 101.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Ah, I see. Trump's thousands of documented lies are now exaggerations. Cute, real cute.Quote:
So it's an exaggeration that all pols make.
Wanna talk about the dead children at the Mexican border? Or how about the bone-headed withdrawal from Syria? Even his Repubs are criticizing him for that one. And no, Obama did not lie about it.Quote:
Now has he intentionally lied concerning the deaths of 4 Americans in order to ensure his reelection? No. Did Obama? Yes.
No, I'm not arguing that at all. I'm arguing Trump is a pathological liar! Read my lips.Quote:
If you are arguing that Trump tends to be careless with facts
I have never considered Obama a Saint. Who's drinking the kool-aid now?Quote:
but if you're going to continue with the "Saint Obama" narrative, you'll have to find some other kool aid drinking liberal to agree with you on that one.
If you would pay attention a little better, you would have noted that my response did not concern the economy. It concerned the silly claim about thousands of lies and how they went about getting that number .Quote:
Total nonsense yourself. The unemployment rate is NOT the economy - it is PART of the economy. ECON 101.
Once again, you are not paying attention. Many of those so called "documented lies" were differences of opinion such as the one concerning the unemployment rate.Quote:
Ah, I see. Trump's thousands of documented lies are now exaggerations. Cute, real cute.
The dead children at the border were sick when they arrived. The withdrawal was indeed bone-headed. Did Obama lie about Benghazi? You are nuts if you think he didn't. Susan Rice's statements on the five Sunday morning news shows were flatly, completely, totally untrue.Quote:
Wanna talk about the dead children at the Mexican border? Or how about the bone-headed withdrawal from Syria? Even his Repubs are criticizing him for that one. And no, Obama did not lie about it.
You would chop off your hand before you would criticize Obama. I don't think you've ever done it. You even won't admit he lied like a dog about Benghazi. But here's your big chance. Give us a candid assessment of Obama's mistakes.Quote:
I have never considered Obama a Saint. Who's drinking the kool-aid now?
Of course, it concerned the economy. Go back and read it.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Nothing silly about it. The (now) 13,500+ are verified from Trump's twitters, Trump's video appearances at the WH driveway, and Trump's rallies. Trump is the source for his lies.Quote:
It concerned the silly claim about thousands of lies and how they went about getting that number
Your "difference of opinion" is a lie in the real world.Quote:
Many of those so called "documented lies" were differences of opinion such as the one concerning the unemployment rate.
No, he didn't lie. You are nuts if you depend on FOX for your information.Quote:
Did Obama lie about Benghazi? You are nuts if you think he didn't.
As has been explained again and again and most recently by Susan Rice, the information she gave was the best intelligence she had at the moment. I'd hardly call it a lie.Quote:
Susan Rice's statements on the five Sunday morning news shows were flatly, completely, totally untrue.
The only one lying like a dog here is yourself. The facts about Benghazi are all over the internet. Why do you keep repeating right-wing falsehoods from FOX?Quote:
You would chop off your hand before you would criticize Obama. I don't think you've ever done it. You even won't admit he lied like a dog about Benghazi.
Why is this my "big chance"? Why would I give you a "candid assessment of Obama's mistakes"?Quote:
But here's your big chance. Give us a candid assessment of Obama's mistakes.
Except that Obama referred to it as an act of terror in remarks made in the Rose Garden the next day. He claimed that was the case in one of the debates. So which one was it? So Rice said she did not lie? Oh well. That settles it then. After all, she worked for Obama, so no doubt she would never attempt to conceal the truth. Yeah. Right.Quote:
As has been explained again and again and most recently by Susan Rice, the information she gave was the best intelligence she had at the moment. I'd hardly call it a lie.
I've never mentioned Fox, but you're right. It's all over the internet. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...-clinton-lies/Quote:
The only one lying like a dog here is yourself. The facts about Benghazi are all over the internet. Why do you keep repeating right-wing falsehoods from FOX?
Thank you so much for verifying my earlier statement. "You would chop off your hand before you would criticize Obama. I don't think you've ever done it. You even won't admit he lied like a dog about Benghazi."Quote:
Why is this my "big chance"? Why would I give you a "candid assessment of Obama's mistakes"?
Maybe you would do it to demonstrate that you actually have some concern for the truth.
Oh come on you aren't concerned with the truth, just covering up the shame of giving us the lying cheating dufus who is also an incompetent criminal. I certainly can understand under those circumstances why you would rather talk about Obama, and anything else that changes the focus from the truth of now.
LOL, what a lousy strategy though, taking incidents litigated already to hide behind and not have to face the constant acceptance of the steady stream of lies and incompetence coming from this WH every freakin' day and some are real whoppers to be sure. I don't blame you for desperately trying to change the subject to our guy, instead of your guy because the truth of the dufus is too much for even YOU.
The saddest part is now you must blast everybody on the dem side so you can justify holding your nose and voting for him again. Now you tell the truth, did you really hold your nose the first time? Are you still holding it? Will you keep holding it and keep the dufus around for more lies and deceit, and incompetence?
Hmm. Maybe your living your worst nightmare and the dems boot the dufus and his dummy, and let Nancy finish his term. See I understand you better than you understand yourself. I hope you understand that dems won't save you from that either.
We're getting way ahead of ourselves here: Clinton got IMPEACHED and he stayed in office because he is a man with no scruples nor morals (unlike Nixon who was just threatened with Impeachment and decided to leave because he knew the process was not good for the country)…...and I have heard most on this site say time and time again that Trump is a man with no scruples and no morals....you know what that means: Trump will stay in office EVEN IF HE IS IMPEACHED.....because he won't leave and the Demos don't have the votes.
The truth is, Trump is no worse than Obama in that regard. As I've said a million times, I have no big problem with your criticisms of Trump. It's your committed worship of Obama that I object to. If you ever watch the movie "13 Hours", you'll have a different attitude.Quote:
Oh come on you aren't concerned with the truth, just covering up the shame of giving us the lying cheating dufus who is also an incompetent criminal. I certainly can understand under those circumstances why you would rather talk about Obama, and anything else that changes the focus from the truth of now.
Every dem candidate is a whole hearted supporter of abortion, gay marriage, and playing race/class politics. If you want my vote, you need to find a John Kennedy.Quote:
The saddest part is now you must blast everybody on the dem side so you can justify holding your nose and voting for him again. Now you tell the truth, did you really hold your nose the first time? Are you still holding it? Will you keep holding it and keep the dufus around for more lies and deceit, and incompetence?
My gosh your incessant, non-thinking name calling gets old. It's such a poor reflection on your intelligence that you can't think of anything compelling to say so you just call names. I think you can do better than that. At any rate, no one is talking about getting rid of Pence. In fact, if you successfully impeach Trump, then I would be happy to have Pence as pres and could support him fully. Maybe, in fact, you are doing me a favor!!Quote:
Hmm. Maybe your living your worst nightmare and the dems boot the dufus and his dummy, and let Nancy finish his term.
What is really a threat in all of this is the obvious strategy of the dems to remove Trump by non-democratic processes. They know they likely cannot defeat him in an election, so they are, at this point at least, just cooking up any kind of charges they can come up with in an attempt to either remove him or soil his presidency enough to make his reelection that much more difficult. It has nothing to do with justice, and if they are successful, they will further divide an already dangerously divided nation.
So what. Are you saying it WASN'T an act of terror? Anyway, that doesn't mean he killed them.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Wow! Now there's a partisan comment. I thought you were into truth?Quote:
So Rice said she did not lie? Oh well. That settles it then. After all, she worked for Obama, so no doubt she would never attempt to conceal the truth. Yeah. Right.
Exactly how did I do that?Quote:
Thank you so much for verifying my earlier statement.
I don't think you want to get into a debate about truth. You're unarmed.Quote:
to demonstrate that you actually have some concern for the truth.
You're trying a dodge. I'm saying he plainly engaged in lying when he sent Susan Rice out to contradict what he had said earlier. I never said he killed them.Quote:
So what. Are you saying it WASN'T an act of terror? Anyway, that doesn't mean he killed them.
I don't just blindly believe what Rice said anymore than I blindly believe what Trump says.Quote:
Wow! Now there's a partisan comment. I thought you were into truth?
By your total refusal to objectively assess Obama's performance.Quote:
Exactly how did I do that?
A meaningless statement. Like I've said before, if you can't win the argument, then attack the person.Quote:
I don't think you want to get into a debate about truth. You're unarmed.
I still say, SO WHAT. Is that your response to Trump's many lies? I thought you did say that about Obama killing them - or something like that. Didn't you say he was responsible for the killing? Maybe I'm wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
That still doesn't answer my question. Are you trying a dodge?Quote:
By your total refusal to objectively assess Obama's performance.
You mean like you do?Quote:
Like I've said before, if you can't win the argument, then attack the person.
GEEZ JL, you've ranted and raved but have won no arguments either. Should we take a vote on that?
Well, I'm glad you have finally acknowledged that Obama lied about Benghazi. What is my response? I despise lying no matter if it is Trump or Obama doing it. I don't think Obama or Clinton were directly responsible for the deaths of the four Americans, but it is absolutely true that the ambassador's many pleas for help were ignored and that not a finger was raised to help them during the attack itself, all of which was deplorable.Quote:
I still say, SO WHAT. Is that your response to Trump's many lies? I thought you did say that about Obama killing them - or something like that. Didn't you say he was responsible for the killing? Maybe I'm wrong.
I said you would cut your hand off before you would be critical of Obama. You then absolutely passed on an opportunity to give an objective assessment of his eight years. Case closed.Quote:
By your total refusal to objectively assess Obama's performance.
That still doesn't answer my question. Are you trying a dodge?
So you would agree it is not a good strategy?Quote:
Like I've said before, if you can't win the argument, then attack the person.
You mean like you do?
I never denied it. You have me mixed up with someone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
It is absolutely FALSE!! That's why I say for you to stop reading right-wing nonsense and get the facts. They're there if you look for them. This Benghazi business that you obsess over is a clear indication that your arguments on other issues are not to be trusted.Quote:
it is absolutely true that the ambassador's many pleas for help were ignored and that not a finger was raised to help them during the attack itself, all of which was deplorable.
Case open. For the third time, why should I answer your question about my take on Obama? You still haven't answered that. What are you afraid of? Do you understand that you are not the final authority here who gets all his questions answered simply because you ask them? Even without my answer, you have decided to judge my non-answer. We all learn a little more about you every day.Quote:
I said you would cut your hand off before you would be critical of Obama. You then absolutely passed on an opportunity to give an objective assessment of his eight years. Case closed.
Oh? Then tell us what assistance was rendered.Quote:
It is absolutely FALSE!!
I don't care if you answer it or not. Good grief. You make such a major case about such a minor affair. Keep worshiping him if you want to. My point for months has been that you three liberal amigos love to bash and criticize Trump, but you will not apply the same standards to your liberal heroes. And then you want to sometimes act morally superior to others because you are so willing to jump on Trump. Well, if it's good for the goose, then it's good for the gander. I'm no fan of Trump, but I'll take him over HC any day of the week.Quote:
Case open. For the third time, why should I answer your question about my take on Obama?
It's all there waiting for you. Start with wikipedia.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Obviously, you do.Quote:
I don't care if you answer it or not.
There you go again.Quote:
Keep worshiping him if you want to.
You have no valid point. You have a rant and a rave. That's it. In point of fact, I have few heroes, liberal or otherwise. Although, Elijah Cummings was a hero - a great man.Quote:
My point for months has been that you three liberal amigos love to bash and criticize Trump, but you will not apply the same standards to your liberal heroes.
Better to be one of Three Amigos, then you being one of Three Stooges.
Then why do you obsess over Obama and HC and Benghazi and rarely say a word about Trump.Quote:
I'm no fan of Trump, but I'll take him over HC any day of the week.
So we have it again. You make an assertion for which, evidently, you have not a shred of evidence, and then respond by encouraging someone else to find the data. Well, no thanks. That's your job.Quote:
It's all there waiting for you. Start with wikipedia.
I already answered that. I have already said that I raise those names to point out that whatever standard you hold Trump to, you should hold BO and HC to them as well. As I said just a few posts up, "What's good for the goose is good for the gander."Quote:
Then why do you obsess over Obama and HC and Benghazi and rarely say a word about Trump.
Yes Elijah Cummins was a true hero and inspiration. JL I am guilty of bashing and criticizing the dufus because he does so much to bash and be criticized for, and I do love it. I really don't know what I'll do for fun and sport when Nancy dumps him from the WH, or puts him in jail. Guess I'll just have to be happy with bashing and criticizing right wing loonies again, but honestly it ain't the same.
I have more than enough evidence to establish the truth of the matter. I won't do your work for you and if you were truly interested you would follow my advice. There is far too much to fit into this format.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I do hold Obama to the same standard I hold Trump to. HC, too. But even you must admit that Trump is a bizarre entity who shocks almost on a daily basis. Today and yesterday was no exception - his craziness is all over the media. He doesn't seem able to control himself.Quote:
I already answered that. I have already said that I raise those names to point out that whatever standard you hold Trump to, you should hold BO and HC to them as well. As I said just a few posts up, "What's good for the goose is good for the gander."
Yes. You have so much evidence that you can't post a single word. My work? It was your assertion. You back it up if you can. I don't think you can.Quote:
I have more than enough evidence to establish the truth of the matter. I won't do your work for you and if you were truly interested you would follow my advice. There is far too much to fit into this format.
You do nothing but adore Obama. If it was otherwise, you would be as outraged about Benghazi as most other people were. As to Trump, there is a lot of truth in your statement. His mouth and his impulsive decision making are detrimental. It is also true, to be fair, that the economy is doing great and that he is appointing solid conservative federal judges, both of which I applaud.Quote:
I do hold Obama to the same standard I hold Trump to. HC, too. But even you must admit that Trump is a bizarre entity who shocks almost on a daily basis. Today and yesterday was no exception - his craziness is all over the media. He doesn't seem able to control himself.
I'm not taking the bait. Nice try. If you don't want to make the effort, I think you should stop making false claims about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Adore? You're pushing it, don't you think?Quote:
You do nothing but adore Obama. If it was otherwise, you would be as outraged about Benghazi as most other people were.
"Most other people" are aware that Benghazi has become a never-ending right-wing loony talking point. You should be embarrassed by it.
To be fair, Obama started and continued the economy. Trump inherited it. He wouldn't know what to do with a good economy if it smacked him in the face. To be more fair, economies have a mind of their own. What will you say when it tanks to a recession if Trump is in office? Never mind. That's a rhetorical question.Quote:
It is also true, to be fair, that the economy is doing great
You should be hoping he would appoint judges based on their application of and love of LAW, not a political ideology.Quote:
he is appointing solid conservative federal judges, both of which I applaud.
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I'm not taking the bait. Nice try. If you don't want to make the effort, I think you should stop making false claims about it.
Except for you, evidently, for you don't have even the first little piece of evidence to disprove it. Even worse, you don't want to admit to that. Pitiful. Oh well, since you are a dry well, we'll just have to move on. Maybe someday you will learn that it is your job to prove your points and not mine. And just to keep you from denying it, this is the exchange you are being asked to respond to.Quote:
"Most other people" are aware that Benghazi has become a never-ending right-wing loony talking point. You should be embarrassed by it.
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Your statement: It is absolutely FALSE!!
My response: Oh? Then tell us what assistance was rendered.
If it didn't work the first time, what makes you think it will work the second time?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I'm afraid you are quite correct. It's what I've been saying all along.Quote:
If it didn't work the first time, what makes you think it will work the second time?
4 killed in Bengahzi 30 rescued. They fought off the attack by terrorists.
They fought off the attack with absolutely no help whatsoever from the Obama administration. It's quite possible that just a simple flyover by a couple of F-16's would have made a big difference, but they didn't even get that. It was nine hours before anything that could have remotely been termed "help" arrived. Then the Obama team lied about what caused the whole thing.Quote:
4 killed in Bengahzi 30 rescued. They fought off the attack by terrorists.
Preliminary report are often updated, and it's no secret that we were on high alert at ALL the embassies around the world. We were all horrified, but what good does it do to shoot the messenger? You wingers never even acknowledged the attack was fought off by more than 30 of our guys who did their job. Yet when we lost 4 guys in Africa your excuse was they knew what they were getting into. So did they Bengahzi contingent.
So did the Benghazi contingent in Libya, full of roving factions of terrorists and rebels. Even after an official fact finding investigation recommendations, and changes made, still repubs persisted to smear and blame and you have carried that torch to this day as well. You wingers never stop as long as you can get what you want, and I hope tax breaks for the rich and conservative judges is worth having a dufus that ignores the law, shreds the constitution and the dignity of his office.
At least recognize we are in the middle of the biggest scandalous behavior this country has ever known, and spare me the uninformed would have should have speculation of yours of something you should have reconciled with years ago. The nation is being ripped apart NOW, while you reminisce.
The people in Benghazi had warned the State Department on a number of occasions that they needed more security but received nothing. Yet even at that, it was the lying afterwards that was the big problem. But who knows, maybe all those attackers in Benghazi were "Russian assets"!!
All the embassies around the world had beefed up security even Bengahzi. Congress denied extra funding for Bengahzi, as it was asked for. We argued on those very issues on THIS forum after it happened so I guess you missed that too. Maybe you can't know what you don't know, but I have asked you to go back and read some of those older threads instead of relitigating old stuff with people who have been here and moved on.
LOL, if Obama had done a fraction of what the dufus has done today I would have thrown him under a bus quick fast and in a hurry, and voted for Mitt. He did not and has not and still carries himself rather well. Also a lot of people held their noses and voted for HC, and sadly many stayed home. There is still those Ruskies and their antics to contend with, and no doubt they are hardly finished since they got away with it and still think they will get away with it again. Thanks to the dufus and Moscow Mitch.
I don't think you would have. With all the scandal and lying that went on with Obama, if that didn't get your attention, then nothing would have. Even now the three liberals on this board cannot bring themselves to admit to it.Quote:
LOL, if Obama had done a fraction of what the dufus has done today I would have thrown him under a bus quick fast and in a hurry, and voted for Mitt.
Why should they? Obamas' behavior and words were nothing compared to what the dufus has done in his first 3 years and no amount of dufus pandering will get any dem to say otherwise. He has enough sycophants and enablers as it is and that includes YOU.
Nope, nobody here will help you justify your support for a lying cheating dufus so get with the program and move along.
And the non-thinking name calling just keeps on going. Your mentor, Mr. Trump, would be proud of you. As the old saying goes, "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery."Quote:
Why should they? Obamas' behavior and words were nothing compared to what the dufus has done in his first 3 years and no amount of dufus pandering will get any dem to say otherwise. He has enough sycophants and enablers as it is and that includes YOU.
Unlike you, I don't give my complete, blind, unthinking devotion to any president.Quote:
Nope, nobody here will help you justify your support for a lying cheating dufus so get with the program and move along.
Neither do I and I know what to do with bullies.
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Benghazi was a planned behavior, a behavior by design: For the record, Obama wanted to release the "BLIND SHEIKH" Omar Abdel-Rahman, the planner of the 1993 WTC bombing but he wanted to do it so that he wouldn't 'have any blood on his hands", so he and Hillary Clinton and the bunch around them concocted the idea of permitting Ambassador Christopher Stevens to be "captured" by terrorists and held for ransom so that the Blind Sheikh could be exchanged for the Ambassador.....the plan went to hell when the meek, handpicked Ambassador fought back to the death.....at that point, a huge coverup began to take place.
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