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  • Sep 25, 2019, 02:18 PM
    talaniman
    Like the dufus is saying now there is no quid pro quo in his released memo of the phone call, but there doesn't have to be for a crime to be committed. To paraphrase, when the Ukraine president ask for Javelins for defense, the dufus said do me a favor, and he went on to say investigate corruption by the Biden's.

    "Do me a favor.." is the new version of "Russia if your listening..."! I won't even add what Rudy has been running around saying but regardless of either of our opinions, IT'S ON!! Expect an impeachment vote soon and we'll just see what happens. Instead of taking the dufus words for fact a simple google search may give you relevant facts about Biden's words and actions back then.

    Maybe YOU should read the full texts before you decide the dems are running off the rails. That's not what I'm seeing here and even some repubs are scratching their heads.

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-conten...ied09.2019.pdf
  • Sep 25, 2019, 03:13 PM
    Vacuum7
    Talaniman: There is nothing here, AGAIN! The "investigation will turn to Biden before its all over with......And, why was Biden's son doing any business in the Ukraine anyway? Was it because he is such a great businessman or is it because he is Biden's son….the answer is obvious!

    The Democrats can Impeach all they want, Trump will go nowhere and will remain in the Whitehouse. The Democrats are GUARANTEEING TRUMP'S REELECTION.

    Oh, and guess what else: Trump can STOP THIS INVESTIGATION JUST LIKE HE COULD HAVE STOPPED THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION ANY TIME HE WISHES TO DO SO.

    The Democrats have nothing and will go down in flames with this: Get the drinks on ice and get ready to enjoy TRUMP'S REELECTION VICTORY PARTY!

    For a Libertarian like me, this stuff is wonderful! We don't have a 3rd Party yet, but every time these scandals come along, it makes the likelihood of a 3rd Party more a reality.....and when that happens, real DEMOCRACY will be realized in the U.S.!
  • Sep 25, 2019, 03:28 PM
    talaniman
    Why not read the WH memo they released as I provided instead of ranting about how libertarians will rule the world. Oh that's right, why read when you can rant. Whatever makes you feel good I suppose. There were a lot of business men in Ukraine at that time and in full disclosure my former employer is among them.
  • Sep 25, 2019, 06:58 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Why not read the WH memo they released as I provided instead of ranting about how libertarians will rule the world. Oh that's right, why read when you can rant. Whatever makes you feel good I suppose. There were a lot of business men in Ukraine at that time and in full disclosure my former employer is among them.

    Ah, now we see your allegiences
  • Sep 26, 2019, 05:17 AM
    talaniman
    I have no allegience to any country except my own. The Ukraine operation is just one of many across the globe gobbled up by the parent company. A common thing in todays world. Come on Clete, capitalists are everywhere, and they don't care who okay's the money, be it dictator or president. Here, there, or anywhere. Once you understand that, you may get the significance of the whistleblower complaint which is supposed to be released today, and the WH memo of the phone call that I linked, which is full of stuff to beat the dufus about his head.

    Yes Vac, I'm having a great time too watching these scandals play out. Actually it's just business as usual. Now stop hogging the popcorn. LOL, I can't even watch my Netflix movie watching the dufus falling all over himself.

    And you thought he was invincible and above the law?
  • Sep 26, 2019, 05:32 AM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    I have no allegience to any country except my own. The Ukraine operation is just one of many across the globe gobbled up by the parent company. A common thing in todays world. Come on Clete, capitalists are everywhere, and they don't care who okay's the money, be it dictator or president. Here, there, or anywhere. Once you understand that, you may get the significance of the whistleblower complaint which is supposed to be released today, and the WH memo of the phone call that I linked, which is full of stuff to beat the dufus about his head.

    Yes Vac, I'm having a great time too watching these scandals play out. Actually it's just business as usual. Now stop hogging the popcorn. LOL, I can't even watch my Netflix movie watching the dufus falling all over himself.

    And you thought he was invincible and above the law?

    No I never thought that, but yes BO and his coharts were interferring in Ukraine and no doubt making money out of it. There is nothing worthwhile on Netflex and anything that is happening in your part of the world looks like the plot of one of those B grade movies
  • Sep 26, 2019, 07:27 AM
    talaniman
    That is a matter of perspective, your own bias notwithstanding (or is that snark?), but one must prioritize which corruption to pursue and the current one is before us, and anything behind us was never prioritized when the dufus and his sycophants were in full power in government, though they have been loud about it, they brought no actions. They still can of course, if they were not so occupied with defending their own wrong doing.
  • Sep 26, 2019, 07:35 AM
    tomder55
    ummm ...the truth is that NOBODY in the swamp wants anyone to shine the light on this issue of nepotism and family getting rich on a connection with an elected leader .
  • Sep 26, 2019, 08:29 AM
    talaniman
    I find that to be very true over the years and some are much more discreet than others, but it's a bit troubling that the subjects of this whistleblowers allegations was the first to be consulted about it, and a delay contrary to the law was an outcome of that heads up, or "guidance" in this matter. I won't go as far to disparage Mr. Mcguire, but it's a deep concern that should be scrutinized. He has testified many times this morning it's not his job to judge what the allegations are, but clearly he didn't turn those allegations over to the congress in the specified time as REQUIRED by the LAW.

    That is the purpose of the law as it clearly states the process, which was obviously not followed. At least that's my take on it, and as Lewandowski pointed out and proved, it's not illegal to lie to the public, or the press, and therein lies a real problem at the heart of this whole political mess, steeped in deep corruption.
  • Sep 26, 2019, 10:37 AM
    tomder55
    the big bombshell from the whistle blower report is that Trump covered up a transcript that he released to the public yesterday.

    I already pointed out the judgment of NOT turning it over to Congress was the correct one because the President is not an employee of DNI and his conversations with a foreign leader are NOT subject to the 50 U.S. Code  3033(sec 5 g ) definition of "urgent concern" . The IG thought it was and Maguire as DNI did not .

    Section 3033 does not apply to a president’s negotiations with or commitments to foreign powers. The statute ONLY applies to intelligence activities by officials employed under the DNI direction . So even if the whistle blower had an “urgent concern” there was no requirement under the law to inform Congress.
  • Sep 26, 2019, 10:49 AM
    tomder55
    waiting for the press to start the reporting about Biden and Kerry's son in China . That is where the real money was happening . Love it that their business partner was James Bulger from the Whitey Bulger crime family and son of Massachusetts state senator Billy Bulger.
  • Sep 26, 2019, 11:02 AM
    tomder55
    love it that Pathfinder Adam Schiff is going to be the face of the Dem party going into th elections . He swore for months that he had the proof that Trump colluded with Russia to steal the election. He still hasn't come forward even after the Mueller report. Now he's doing comedy parody and trying to make it sound like that was the real words of the transcript . He completely fabricated quotes during his opening comments . He's a better face of the party than that toad Nadler .
  • Sep 26, 2019, 11:36 AM
    talaniman
    My reading of the statute does NOT prohibit the carrying out of the law and there are no stated exceptions to that law. Taking into account the acting DNI with only months on the job may well want to consult a legal expert afforded him. My understanding the he got no guidelines from DOJ to NOT obey the law. Maybe we have a loophole that needs closing if indeed there are exceptions to the law. It's a moot point actually since the goods are out there for all to see, which is shockingly bad for the dufus, and that's just the stuff he released. The actual WB allegations are just more fuel to the fire, and unlike the muddle over the Mueller report, a lot easier to read and understand. Have you read those documents?

    You have to be a REAL dufus to dodge a bullet, then do the same thing again as president. He may not be the only one tarnished badly on this one.
  • Sep 26, 2019, 11:44 AM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    love it that Pathfinder Adam Schiff is going to be the face of the Dem party going into th elections . He swore for months that he had the proof that Trump colluded with Russia to steal the election. He still hasn't come forward even after the Mueller report. Now he's doing comedy parody and trying to make it sound like that was the real words of the transcript . He completely fabricated quotes during his opening comments . He's a better face of the party than that toad Nadler .

    Lol, he did exaggerate taking a page from the dufus but he was correct in the times the prez pressed Zelenski, and how. Repubs were quick to jump on that, but defended McGuire and got their dem witch hunt point across as usual.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    waiting for the press to start the reporting about Biden and Kerry's son in China . That is where the real money was happening . Love it that their business partner was James Bulger from the Whitey Bulger crime family and son of Massachusetts state senator Billy Bulger.

    Dumb incompetent repubs blew their shot at it, as they did with HC, and Obama if they actually had anything but distracting talking points and bad mouthing. I imagine though the dufus is fit to be tied looking for somebody's blood!
  • Sep 26, 2019, 02:22 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    I imagine though the dufus is fit to be tied looking for somebody's blood!


    Just heard an audio by Trump suggesting whistleblowers be executed. Truthful hyperbole. I think he's sending a message.
  • Sep 26, 2019, 03:05 PM
    Vacuum7
    Athos: They execute people for treason.....this "whistleblower" probably broke the law by listening in on the POTUS......much of this comes down to "how" the "whistleblower" obtained the information......Again, NOTHING HERE, AGAIN! Just like the Russia Investigation "Nothing Burger".....We are talking about the POTUS, not some underling, in all these accusations: You can't get to the POTUS! When in the name of hell is the going to get that through their thick skulls. The POTUS is near superhuman compared to anyone walking around the country in terms of what he CAN and CAN NOT do.....All this crap of quoting this legal document # and that legal precedent DOES NOT APPLY TO THE POTUS!

    Sorry to break the left's heart but you lose to TRUMP....AGAIN!
  • Sep 26, 2019, 05:25 PM
    talaniman
    Forget passing the popcorn, pass the doob! I want what you're smoking! On second thought pass the popcorn because I see on helluva case of the munchies in your future. Do libertarians heads explode?
  • Sep 26, 2019, 07:55 PM
    Vacuum7
    Talaniman: YOU ARE TOO MUCH!!! :)

    If you are having as much fun all of with this as I am, you don't need to smoke or take anything! The natural high is plenty! But good popcorn, with butter, of course, does sound awfully good right about now!
  • Sep 27, 2019, 12:50 AM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Vacuum7 View Post
    Athos: They execute people for treason.

    Yes, I know. That's exactly why Trump threatened whistleblowers with it. His sycophants will say he was only kidding, but we know better, don't we?

    Quote:

    ....this "whistleblower" probably broke the law by listening in on the POTUS
    If you had been paying attention, you would know the whistleblower was not listening in. The information he had was provided by people in the room when Trump made the call. You know, the ones Trump wants to execute. The IG confirmed the credibility of the whistleblower.

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    Just like the Russia Investigation "Nothing Burger"
    Again, you constantly show your ignorance. The report by Mueller listed at least ten crimes of obstruction of justice. The reason Mueller didn't indict was because AG Barr had declared Trump immune from prosecution and any criminal investigation. Is that something you agree with? Do you understand how it flies in the face of the Constitution and 250 years of jurisprudence?

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    You can't get to the POTUS!
    Of course, you can. It's called impeachment.

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    The POTUS is near superhuman compared to anyone walking around the country in terms of what he CAN and CAN NOT do
    Sadly, Trump would love that, and he is supported in that by the likes of you. Do you really want a dictator? Not to worry, tho. Today Trump shot himself in the foot by stupidly releasing the text of his phone call where he told the president of a foreign power to get dirt on his political opponent. Prima facie evidence of a High Crime.

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    .....All this crap of quoting this legal document # and that legal precedent DOES NOT APPLY TO THE POTUS!
    So you believe Trump is above the law. Do you know that NO MAN is above the law? Didn't you learn that in elementary school? Do you mean documents like the Constitution don't apply to Trump? Are you aware that this nation renounced Kings centuries ago?

    V7 - why do you keep digging your hole deeper? If you just did a little self-education, you wouldn't come across as such a fool.
  • Sep 27, 2019, 05:14 AM
    jlisenbe
    So far the dems swung and missed on both Kavanaugh and collusion. Now they are facing strike three with this silly charge. Even the Ukrainian pres has stated that nothing improper happened on the phone call.

    Schiff's performance yesterday (his "parody") was a disgrace, and that's not to mention his having to go with plan B and allege that the phone conversation was something resembling a mafia shakedown. It was all, he said, a coded conversation that only the really smart people like him could discern. And to make matters worse, it is pretty clear that the two genuine lawbreakers have been HC and Biden. If Biden was the great hope of the dem party, then that hope is going down the drain.

    I was in hopes that someone reasonable might appear as an alternative to Trump. Instead we have Biden, Sanders, and Warren, so my hope is fading fast. Where is John Kennedy when he is really needed?
  • Sep 27, 2019, 05:19 AM
    Vacuum7
    Athos: Come on! You know Trump will not kill the whistleblower....its just frustration with being infested with Obama era spies within the ranks that he is expressing himself this way.

    Yes, the whistleblower is talking 2nd and 3rd hand information: INADMISSABLE IN ANY COURT! Can you imagine: I didn't witness a murder but I know someone who did and they said "____"...this doesn't work, at all! And the ones who were in the room can't talk about any of it because of Executive Privilege clauses: DEMOS HAVE ZILTCH!

    You can IMPEACH ALL YOU WANT! Trump stays in office: The Congress is a toothless dog! The Senate won't go along with any of this crap, Trump will remain in office: Bill Clinton WAS CONVICTED OF PERJURY AND IMPEACHED AND STAYED IN OFFICE! You are delusional about forcing Trump out....dreaming! And, guess what, once Clinton was Impeached, his popularity increased...AND SO WILL TRUMP'S: CAN YOU SAY "ANOTHER FOUR YEARS"? Start practicing now.

    The little prima donna Adam Schiff is not the most cerebral individual: Right now, he has done nothing for his District because he has been running down rabbit holes in search of Trump: He is a complete loser!

    Trump is not above the law....but, as POTUS, he is no longer a simple citizen, he is Commander In Chief, and that changes everything.

    You keep wanting to apply conventional laws to the POTUS....THIS POTUS! The left had no interests and demonstrated no interests in implementing laws when Clinton or Obama were in Office....Why the double standard? When laws are applied unequally, they become tools of restraint and constraint. Of course, I don't expect you to respond about the double standard of law applicability between POTUS administrations but you know its true. When Obama flew $1.7 billon to Iran in the middle of the night, he didn't consult congress or anyone else....didn't hear a peep about law breaking then...that's just one example from a man who said that the U.S. Constitution was "a piece of paper"....but that's O.K. because he was Barack HUSSEIN Obama and not Donald Trump.

    As a Libertarian, I want LAWS IMPOSED WITH EQUALITY.....The left just doesn't get that concept. With the upcoming changes to the SCOTUS, they are going to get a dose of the medicine they have been trying to dish out: The Right will use the Courts to clear hurdles and contain the left like never before....and you know what? YOU ASKED FOR IT by being so biased that you no longer even try to hide it.....extreme arrogance on the left.

    All this turmoil serves only to help build the Libertarian cause so that one day there will be THREE PARTIES instead of the MONOPOLY ON POWER THAT THE DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICAN HAVE NOW! We are waiting in the wings! The left and the Right have conspired for years to shut down every attempt to bring a Third Party into play: They want the power all to themselves, they don't want change and helping the people and improving the people's lot is the furthest thing from their mind...its a charade!.....DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICS ARE OF THE SAME ILK!
  • Sep 27, 2019, 05:22 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    Yes, the whistleblower is talking 2nd and 3rd hand information: INADMISSABLE IN ANY COURT! Can you imagine: I didn't witness a murder but I know someone who did and they said "____"...this doesn't work, at all! And the ones who were in the room can't talk about any of it because of Executive Privilege clauses: DEMOS HAVE ZILTCH!
    Pretty well sums it up.
  • Sep 27, 2019, 06:05 AM
    talaniman
    So we can just IGNORE the FACT that the dufus released a memo of his call with Zelenskyy where we wanted an investigation into his political opponent, and was with holding duly authorized military assistance unless he agreed? I guess it doesn't bother you that that in itself is illegal does it? Or it's the best confession you can get? Or the whistle blowers accont was investigated and found CREDIBLE and urgent or that everything alleged really did happen?

    Funny how you holler evidence, and then ignore it, but MORE to come for sure. You should wait for the eyewitness testimony. What you didn't know there are eyewitnesses? There are 6. Should have read the IG report, the dufus memo, the WB allegations. LOL, repubs are claiming the Ukraine interfered in the 2016 elections and framed Russia!

    Keep listening to the lying, cheating, dufus bully. I can't wait to see heads explode over the EVIDENCE of the cover up he and his sycophants perpetrated, or tried to, and no doubt the witness intimidation coming. Just as a matter of law, there can be NO executive privilege to cover up a CRIME, or wrong doing by the executive, and we have the crime as outlined in his own released memo.
  • Sep 27, 2019, 06:21 AM
    Vacuum7
    Talaniman: GET THE GOODS if you want Trump out, that is all I'm saying: You have to nail him to the cross if he is to be removed.....and it just won't be easy to do, especially with hearsay testimony. I think Capital Punishment is appropriate but I don't support killing a man without airtight evidence EVEN IF I intuitively know he is guilty......And this is the POTUS and that fact makes it all the more difficult....you have to have evidence that supports the evidence! It is tough. Get the goods and yo will see a ton of people fall in behind removing Trump from office: Just not liking him isn't enough and definitely won't get the job done.
  • Sep 27, 2019, 06:36 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    where we wanted an investigation into his political opponent, and was with holding duly authorized military assistance unless he agreed?
    Where did he say he would withhold military assistance unless there was an agreement to investigate Biden? I read the transcript but I've been known to miss things.
  • Sep 27, 2019, 06:40 AM
    talaniman
    I can agree with going through the process and by law he is as entitled to the same due process as every body else. I think that has started.
  • Sep 27, 2019, 07:08 AM
    Vacuum7
    Talaniman: Well, if it is started, will you please stop hogging all the popcorn! This should be exciting!
  • Sep 27, 2019, 07:57 AM
    talaniman
    People with eigineering back grounds do tend to enjoy and appreciate the step by step building process, more than others I think, and just between you and me, I love taking stuff apart, and finding out why it doesn't work right, and making it work the way its supposed to. When I started in maintenance playing with the big boy toys and tools was nasty, and nice.

    What a rush!!

    MUNCH MUNCH, keep the toothpicks handy!
  • Sep 27, 2019, 08:10 AM
    jlisenbe
    Where did he say he would withhold military assistance unless there was an agreement to investigate Biden? I read the transcript but I've been known to miss things.
  • Sep 27, 2019, 08:43 AM
    talaniman
    He didn't say he would, he did withhold the funds after the congress appropriated it through the proper channels. When he finally called and Zelenskyy said he needed javelin (anti tank missles) he asked for a favor and told him to get with Rudy, and the attorney general to investigate Biden, his leading political opponent. He mentions this investigation numerous times and references Rudy and the AG often. This against the 5 year old occupation of his country by Russia. In addition the dufus wants a server he thinks the Ukraine has as evidence that Russia didn't hack and meddle in the 2016 election.

    Be aware there are official channels and processes in place to investigate an American and his oversees conduct, of which the dufus blatantly bypasses and takes the illegal path of doing it himself and as Zelenskyy said publicly, he wants NO INVOLVEMENT in the American election process. It is against the law to solicit the aid of a foreign country to help in the election, which the dufus has clearly done, and corroborated by the IG, and verified the WB complaint, thus we have dems moving to the impeachment process more aggressively and repubs shaking in their boots.

    Want to share the popcorn with me and Vac as we enjoy the show?
  • Sep 27, 2019, 09:43 AM
    Vacuum7
    Talaniman: My folks wanted me to become a lawyer.....but I thought about it and decided to do something honest and I became an Engineer, instead......I know you know what I am talking about.
  • Sep 27, 2019, 09:54 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Vacuum7 View Post
    Talaniman: My folks wanted me to become a lawyer.....but I thought about it and decided to do something honest and I became an Engineer, instead......I know you know what I am talking about.

    Lawyers aren't honest? Whatcha talkin' about, Willis?!
  • Sep 27, 2019, 10:16 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    He didn't say he would, he did withhold the funds after the congress appropriated it through the proper channels. When he finally called and Zelenskyy said he needed javelin (anti tank missles) he asked for a favor and told him to get with Rudy, and the attorney general to investigate Biden, his leading political opponent.
    OK. So he didn't say it.
  • Sep 27, 2019, 10:25 AM
    talaniman
    I started in law, and poly science way back in the 70's, but that steel mill money as I moved up the pecking order from labor to production sort of changed things. Those were the days, but getting into maintenance required schooling along with working so another change. Is your plant ISO compliant? Technology and computers changed everything for steel production. I would imagine you know EXACTLY what I'm talking about.
  • Sep 27, 2019, 10:31 AM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    OK. So he didn't say it.

    His implications were quite clear though, and Zelenskyy did agree to an investigation, even if that was done years ago by the replacement for Shokin, the Russian puppet the whole world wanted replaced. NBC interviewed the guy this morning and he said the Bidens broke no laws but welcomed Americans to see that for themselves but without the extortion tactics.

    He said he already told Rudy that.

    Do me a favor, and I hate for something bad to happen to your country are implicit threats to a country at war. You do know that Russia invaded Crimea, and occupy eastern Ukraine don't you?
  • Sep 27, 2019, 12:42 PM
    jlisenbe
    Implications? Well, it sounded that way to you, but there is no real evidence for it. Sure sounds like strike three.
  • Sep 27, 2019, 01:56 PM
    talaniman
    Dude, criminals don't talk in exact language, they imply their meanings very carefully. For example the Ukraine president talked of missiles and the president talks of favors. That's implying you get weapons we get dirt. Later in the texts Zelenskyy tells the dufus what he wants to hear, agreeing to investigate the matter and talk to Rudy and Barr.

    https://apps.npr.org/documents/docum...ine-Transcript

    True only Ben Sasse of Nebraska and Mitt Romney of Utah are the only senators to express concern publicly so far, but it's only been a few days, but no less than Chris Wallace of Fox News is weighing in.

    https://theweek.com/speedreads/86827...tleblower-spin

    Sec. of State Pompeo has been subpoenaed. that should be good to find out who vetted and assigned Rudy to go to Ukraine. No doubt Rudy will be next. We'll see if there is evidence, and where it leads, JL.
  • Sep 27, 2019, 02:36 PM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    Dude, criminals don't talk in exact language, they imply their meanings very carefully.
    You mean like when Mr. Obama told the Russian ambassador that he would have more "flexibility" once the election was over with?

    Quote:

    Sec. of State Pompeo has been subpoenaed. that should be good to find out who vetted and assigned Rudy to go to Ukraine. No doubt Rudy will be next. We'll see if there is evidence, and where it leads, JL.
    Well, why not? I mean that strategy has worked so well the past couple of years. "Let's bring in Dr. Ford and see where it leads." Strike one. "Let's bring in Mueller and see where it leads on collusion." Strike two. At some point, a democrat actually needs to get a hit. My bet is on the pitcher on this one.

    After hearing the disgraceful hit job Schiff did yesterday and then trying to characterize it as a harmless "parody", it really makes me glad I'm not a democrat. That made Trump's phone transcript seem tame in comparison. It lends the entire shameful affair an odor of desperation.
  • Sep 27, 2019, 02:46 PM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    You mean like when Mr. Obama told the Russian ambassador that he would have more "flexibility" once the election was over with?

    Well that was a nothing burger, either Obama was good or repubs were bad but noisy. Noisy

    Quote:

    Well, why not? I mean that strategy has worked so well the past couple of years. "Let's bring in Dr. Ford and see where it leads." Strike one. "Let's bring in Mueller and see where it leads on collusion." Strike two. At some point, a democrat actually needs to get a hit. My bet is on the pitcher on this one.
    I think the public will understand this situation a lot easier than they can understand the 400 page Mueller Report.

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    After hearing the disgraceful hit job Schiff did yesterday and then trying to characterize it as a harmless "parody", it really makes me glad I'm not a democrat. That made Trump's phone transcript seem tame in comparison. It lends the entire shameful affair an odor of desperation.
    Betting your dufus is a lot more desperate than Schiff is. Take your corners and let's get this thing on!

    PS

    Repubs and the dufus have been hollering no collusion an awful long time, but this sure looks like collusion to me!
  • Sep 27, 2019, 07:43 PM
    Vacuum7
    Talaniman: Yes, a lot has changed in 32 years.....but the core of the process hasn't changed and will not, same as with Steel production.....Yes, all the production facilities are ISO compliant, too......The production side is always a bit more lucrative if you are willing to endure the daily diet of crisis.

    Funny how your story parallels mine: I was going to go back to school and get graduate degree (Masters and possibly, even, Doctorate) but the money flow started to come and then the women flow started to come and I lost the zest to go back for more after the first four years.

    So weird how you learn so much so fast when you are younger (early 20's to early 40's) and then it becomes a bit more difficult.....Wife and kids put my focus back where it should be, on the straight and narrow, the way its supposed to be....I cherish these times.

    I have let God take hold of the steering wheel now....I will keep on doing what I am doing but God is firmly in control of my life.....and, I can tell you with all honesty, that is A-O.K. by me!

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