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According to your hero, Hillary, Trump started with about 14 million from his father. He is now worth well over a billion and likely several billion. Do you liberals ever deal with the truth??? So he started with 14 mil, lost money frequently, and ended up with more than a billion? That is some really strange math you're using. Maybe you are the one smoking something.Quote:
He didn't. He inherited money that he carefully and frequently lost in business deals and business ventures
That's because he doesn't pay people who've worked for him. And has cheated to get the rest. He would be worth far more if he were a decent businessman and investor. *cough* Trump steaks, Trump University, Trump tansprayQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
J the left hates the wealthy and successful. Fortunes come and go . Recovering from a failure is a success .His critics are people too timid to invest in anything but maybe a home and tinker with the money in their company approved 401K plans. Even then when things go south they whine ,complain about the unfairness of it all ;and beg the government to bail them out . IF he did not pay his employees ;the word would spread and he would certainly not have nearly as many loyal employees as he's had . As for him making a profit from his brand …...what exactly is wrong with that ?
Absolutely nothing. But most of them were abysmal failures.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
And he's not supposed to pay his employees so he can, instead, be rich???? Loyal employees? You apparently don't read their revelations.Quote:
IF he did not pay his employees ;the word would spread and he would certainly not have nearly as many loyal employees as he's had .
Good grief. First you try to say he inherited his fortune and then lost much of it. When that is proven to be untrue, then you want to put forward different accusations. So tell me, what does he pay his people? Do you know? Not just some newspaper allegation, but genuine data of what he pays his employees. Do you know? And he would be worth far more if he were a decent businessman? He turns 14 million into billions. I'd say that is way past decent.Quote:
That's because he doesn't pay people who've worked for him. And has cheated to get the rest. He would be worth far more if he were a decent businessman and investor.
I'm surprised to see you so controlled by TDS. I don't like the guy. I would prefer someone else be pres, but to say he is not good at business is really laughable.
He lies so much I would prefer evidence of his worth and how he got it. Do you have that? If so bring it and stop repeating his version of things.
He's had thousands of employees .A CNNMoney analystcalculated at least 34,000 jobs attributable to Trump in his business dealings .
In 2015;According to PrivCo, the company CNNMoney used for the study ,the Trump Organization has 22,450 employees and brought in $9.5 billion in annual revenue. And that does not include the multiplier effect whereA few of the employees have been disgruntled . It comes with the territory.there are other jobs that might not exist without Trump. NY State estimates that"leisure and hospitality" companies like Trump's hotels and resorts typicallycreate 1.5 the number of employees Trump hires .Using that multiplier, CNNMoney calculated that he was responsible for about 34,000 jobs in 2015 .
Social media gives them a forum. Nothing to see here . If you heard testimonial from a couple thousand it would be a big deal. All you've heard is testimonial from a few .
Looks like evidence to me.
It's a private organization and while you can speculate, there are no books on the company or tax returns in which to accurately evaluate his business practices or wealth. I'll just wait until al the investigations are over, and get REAL evidence. No disrespect to the followers of a proven liar cheater and shady dealer, but I remain a sceptic of the veracity of the dufus, and the capitalist agenda in general, and have said so over the years here before the dufus. That extends to everybody even Oprah as far as I'm concerned, because while nothing wrong with being rich, that trickle down job creator crap is what stops the whole economy from working for everybody just because it stops the circulation from reaching the least and extracts the wealth to the few, and gives the few the unfair power of devaluing the many for that purpose.
My evidence is reality, a chef is worth more than a teacher, your costs of living goes up, your wages do not. Some may not care about such disparities and don't care but I suppose you get what you pay for, and if you can't pay, you get nothing. To some that means you are NOTHING, no matter how hard you work, and that to me is just crap.
She also has hired thousands of people . She also launched the career's of others like Dr Phil ,Dr Oz who likewise hire scores of people . Her philanthropy is too numerous to list . But I get your POV . You think the government would be much more efficient at confiscating and distributing the money she has made and earned through her hard work .Quote:
That extends to everybody even Oprah as far as I'm concerned, because while nothing wrong with being rich, that trickle down job creator crap is what stops the whole economy from working for everybody j
No I think Oprah is no better than Ms Morgan, the widow who gets up at 5am to catch the bus to where she works and starts at 8. for her job she has worked for the last 18 years. You know the other half of the population that has no retirement package or 401k who is a decent, hardworking, law abiding citizen whose bus ride and utilities keep going up with the groceries, but her wages have not kept pace.
Uhm...the information came from CNN, not Trump. You ask for evidence, and then you just completely ignore it since it did not fit into your preconceived ideas.Quote:
No disrespect to the followers of a proven liar cheater and shady dealer, but I remain a sceptic of the veracity of the dufus,
Really dude? I'm supposed to swallow what CNN or the companies they use present as evidence without fact checking? You do it your way, I will stick with my own process.
That made me laugh for two reasons. First of all, if you have done your "fact checking", then present what you found. I suspect you have found nothing that would contradict what was presented, and that's assuming you have even looked.Quote:
Really dude? I'm supposed to swallow what CNN or the companies they use present as evidence without fact checking? You do it your way, I will stick with my own process.
Second, to think that CNN would present information intentionally favorable to Trump is about on the level of thinking we did not really land on the moon.
Glad you're amused but I have presented the facts I have found over time. That's how I roll, though you dismiss them or fail to comprehend however I will wait for the investigations to be concluded, and there is still that Mueller Report, that despite the right wing spin, is damning as hell.
You cannot even, and have NEVER answered the question of which part of lying, cheating, dufus is factually incorrect. Please spare me the spin, dodge, and comparisons. If that's all you got, you got nothing.
You've presented facts and data about Trump's employment numbers??? Where?Quote:
Glad you're amused but I have presented the facts I have found over time
Kind of hard to answer such a convoluted question. I guess you are asking if I think Trump is given to lying. I would answer he is about as given to lying as Obama and Clinton were/are. And that is how you and I are different. I am perfectly willing to be critical of the guy I voted for. You insist on putting your people up on pedestals and practically worshiping them. If you are wanting to elect an honest man, then you will need to look at Ben Carson. He is about as honest as any major candidate I know of.Quote:
You cannot even, and have NEVER answered the question of which part of lying, cheating, dufus is factually incorrect
He is a fish out of water as most of the dufus circle is and that includes his family in the WH doing the peoples work. I don't see how adding more critters to the swamp helps anything. Why should I go back to Obama when there is so much wrong with the dufus? LOL, you tepid comments on the dufus are nowhere near proof he hasn't been put on some pedestal by you and for the record Obama for all his faults is nowhere near the dufus in lies and incompetence.
To each his own. Right now you own the lies of your hero. Obama did the same thing indeed!
When did you stop beating your wife ? Prove itQuote:
You cannot even, and have NEVER answered the question of which part of lying, cheating, dufus is factually incorrect.
I can prove a lie, a cheat, and the dufus is a dufus. So can you. So can JL, heck even my wife can proe that.
I'll ask this again, but I suspect that I will not get an answer. You've presented facts and data about Trump's employment numbers??? Where?
When Trump's negligence leads to the deaths of four Americans, and then he lies about it repeatedly, I'll accept your statement. Until then the truth works against you.Quote:
for the record Obama for all his faults is nowhere near the dufus in lies and incompetence.
Should I include the illegal employees he had for years? I'll repeat without the actual statements the question is moot and what does it matter how many employees he has? Wells Fargo has employees, but did that prevent them from doing dirt? Walmart has employees too, but does that stop them from subsidizing their employees with your tax dollars, or cheap overseas labor?
Does that let him off the hook for stiffing American banks, or contractors that worked for him? Or running scam schools and charities of which he has been banned from doing? Does owning luxury hotels in Washington relieve him of cutting deals with those clients on the taxpayer dime?
When you going to stop holding your nose at his antics, words and behavior, for tax crumbs and right wing judges?
You should include facts that can be corroborated, not mere rumor mill materials from the liberal media.Quote:
Should I include the illegal employees he had for years? I'll repeat without the actual statements the question is moot and what does it matter how many employees he has? Wells Fargo has employees, but did that prevent them from doing dirt? Walmart has employees too, but does that stop them from subsidizing their employees with your tax dollars, or cheap overseas labor?
Does that let him off the hook for stiffing American banks, or contractors that worked for him? Or running scam schools and charities of which he has been banned from doing? Does owning luxury hotels in Washington relieve him of cutting deals with those clients on the taxpayer dime?
Now is he an angel? Of course not. I have no doubt he has been guilty of, at the least, skirting the law, just as I am convinced the same is true of Obama and both Clintons. So your protest seem a little disingenuous considering your silence about the others.
That has been my concern all along. I don't care for the "holier than thou" attitude of liberals who supported an administration with a long list of its own scandals.
Your so called scandals are old past news but the dufus is right now scandoulous. Forget the financial reports, all we have to do is pick up a newspaper for the latest like his buddy Epstien the child molester and sex slave ringmaster being arrested at the airport on his jet. Lo and behold the dufus Sec of labor had him years ago, and let him go to keep doing his nasty thang to young girls with his rich friends.
You don't need a link, it's all over the news.
Yep, and Cori Gauff lost at Wimbleson today. I'm sure you'll try to pin that on Trump as well. I mean, how far a stretch are you willing to make to accommodate your Trump Derangement Syndrome???Quote:
all we have to do is pick up a newspaper for the latest like his buddy Epstien the child molester and sex slave ringmaster being arrested at the airport on his jet. Lo and behold the dufus Sec of labor had him years ago, and let him go to keep doing his nasty thang to young girls with his rich friends.
In case you haven't noticed, and I'm sure you haven't, it is your beloved Bill Clinton who is in some hot water over this Epstein deal. As reported by Fox, "Documents obtained by Fox News in 2016 indicated that Clinton took at least 26 trips flying aboard Epstein's private jet, known as the "Lolita Express," and apparently ditched his Secret Service detail on some of the excursions. Separately, claims in court showed that President Trump may have flown on the jet at least once, as well."
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bil...spokesman-says
Take it easy I don't think I pinned anything on the dufus, but he did nominate Acosta, who approved and negotiated Epstien's sweetheart deal, and to be fair he was confirmed in the senate with some dems voting with repubs. They all knew, including the dufus of the Epstien deal because a few dems questioned Acosta about it. Beyond that I haven't accused anyone of anything but it is a SCANDAL, and people are calling for Acosta to resign.
Another dufus critter may bite the dust amid scandal and controversy. Besides if you called Bill a lying cheater, how could anyone argue the accuracy of that statement.
Sure sounds like you're trying to pin something on Trump.Quote:
all we have to do is pick up a newspaper for the latest like his buddy Epstien the child molester and sex slave ringmaster being arrested
I would agree that if the news stories are true and complete, then Acosta needs to go today. His hiring is a poor reflection on Trump.
Biggest target so far in this whole deal is BC. It seems that he lied when he said he only flew four times. There is good evidence that it was in excess of twenty times. Given his history, the story would seem believable.
I'm not sure what your point is.Quote:
Besides if you called Bill a lying cheater, how could anyone argue the accuracy of that statement.
Bill is a lying cheater maybe not to the degree as the dufus, but that's a fair statement though, but unless you can tie him to the bad behavior of Epstien, then it's just a small part of a bigger story thus far. A lot of rich important people had rides on his jet. Acosta as I said is but the latest swamp critter caught in controversy and scandal. He ain't the first and unlikely to be the last.
It has already been established that Bubba dismissed his secret service protection whenever he travelled with Epstein to his sex island .Quote:
but unless you can tie him to the bad behavior of Epstien, then it's just a small part of a bigger story thus far.
And Mueller and Comey running the investigation for the FBI agreed to end their investigation with the deal .Epstein was working under the direction of Att General Alberto Gonzalez. Nobody's hands are clean in this caseQuote:
but he did nominate Acosta
Lots of rich guys shaking in their boots?
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