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  • Jun 16, 2019, 10:17 AM
    talaniman
    A simple Google search blows that assumption out of the water completely, and there is still the example of John McCain exercising good behavior when he encountered the Steel Dossier. So you can parse and spin anyway you want, but candidates should report any and all outreach by foreign governments. That said and just my personal opinion, the dufus has no credibility for good judgement even though he is the prez. matter of fact, just the opposite is true, as well as a questionable basic honesty.

    I would bet even the wingers take what he says with a grain of salt. So should you.
  • Jun 16, 2019, 12:02 PM
    Athos
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    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/images...ious-right.pngA simple Google search {will show you that}, the dufus has no credibility for good judgement even though he is the prez. matter of fact, just the opposite is true, as well as a questionable basic honesty.

    I would bet even the wingers take what he says with a grain of salt.


    Supporting what Trump said in this or that instance is a "chasing of the wind" and "full of sound and fury signifying nothing".

    The bozo has more than 10,000 DOCUMENTED examples of lying, misstatements, and half-truths. This week alone, he could not help himself when he repeatedly made unlawful comments and urged others to do the same. The man elected to uphold the law is a major lawbreaker himself. No wonder his lawyers told him never to testify. His ignorance of the law, integrity and decency is huge.

    Everyone should watch the ABC interview tonight and how he threatens and lies right to the face of George S. When Trump called him a "little wise guy", George should have shot right back with "You're a damned liar!" Watch tonight at 8 EST.

    Power and greed is all that drives him - a genuine worshiper of Mammon.
  • Jun 16, 2019, 12:05 PM
    tomder55
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    here is still the example of John McCain exercising good behavior when he encountered the Steel Dossier

    BS . McCain creamed in his pants at the chance to get Trump.
  • Jun 16, 2019, 12:07 PM
    Athos
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    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    BS . McCain creamed in his pants at the chance to get Trump.


    And boy, did he get him! Even posthumously!
  • Jun 16, 2019, 12:17 PM
    talaniman
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    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    BS . McCain creamed in his pants at the chance to get Trump.

    Hmm, seems doing the right thing is a thorn in the dufus orange behind. Need more repubs like that in the senate. Maybe this election will deliver that relief to the American people. I'd be happy just getting rid of Mitch.
  • Jun 16, 2019, 01:01 PM
    tomder55
    yeah I wouldn't mind a new Republican Senate Majority leader either . Maybe Jim Inhofe
  • Jun 16, 2019, 05:16 PM
    jlisenbe
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    Get rid of all guns.Get rid of all guns.
    So you and your hubby have no guns in your house?
  • Jun 16, 2019, 05:50 PM
    Wondergirl
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    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    So you and your hubby have no guns in your house?

    If I ran the show, we wouldn't. He's a Trump fan and die-hard conservative. The first time it got pulled out (and I didn't know it was there), our young son was helping me change the sheets and asked me while waving it around, "Why does Daddy have this?" The second time, and only time in all our years together that my husband himself pulled it out from under his mattress (where it's sooooo handy), was when he almost shot our neighbor lady in the head.
  • Jun 16, 2019, 06:00 PM
    jlisenbe
    If you have no gun and someone breaks into your house, threatening your family, what do you do?
  • Jun 16, 2019, 06:03 PM
    waltero
    Long ago I was at my friends house and he pulled out is Dads Gun. He pointed it at me and closed his eyes, then he pointed it at the floor and pulled the trigger, it fired a bullet through the floor. He was shocked and said if he hadn't learned (in rifle club) not to point a gun at people, he would have shot me. He never would have thought his Dad would keep a loaded gun in the house. Then we grabbed our pellet guns and went outside and had a pellet gun fight...Three pumps max, I always gave it a few extra pumps to gain range advantage...yah, yah that's it, Range advantage.

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    someone breaks into your house, threatening your family, what do you do?

    Fido will protect us with his life. If Fido doesn't stop em Grandma will.
  • Jun 16, 2019, 06:13 PM
    Wondergirl
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    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    If you have no gun and someone breaks into your house, threatening your family, what do you do?

    I'd offer him/them coffee or tea and brownies or cookies, then chat with him/them.

    No one has EVER broken into our house. We live in a very small starter home that now has become our retirement home. There ain't nuttin' in this house that anyone would want to steal. Plus, we have two attack cats.

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    Originally Posted by waltero View Post
    He pointed it at me and closed his eyes ... said if he hadn't learned (in rifle club) not to point a gun at people, he would have shot me.

    Sounds like the lesson he was taught in rifle club didn't take.
  • Jun 16, 2019, 06:22 PM
    waltero
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    Sounds like the lesson he was taught in rifle club didn't take.
    Guess it comes and goes. Later that year he shot me in the foot while hunting wrabbits. But that was on purpose, he thought it was his pellet gun. A few months later I got him Back. I told him payback was a B*tch and tried shooting him in the foot, missed and got him in the knee. We're not friends anymore, we still go hunting together just so's we make sure we don't shoot each other by "accident".

    This might have been the Story if the lesson didn't take.

    I was never more happy that somebody was involved in the Rifle club!
  • Jun 16, 2019, 07:08 PM
    jlisenbe
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    I'd offer him/them coffee or tea and brownies or cookies, then chat with him/them.

    No one has EVER broken into our house. We live in a very small starter home that now has become our retirement home. There ain't nuttin' in this house that anyone would want to steal. Plus, we have two attack cats.
    Dreams and fantasies. The liberal world. Talked with a guy last week whose house had broken into four times in the past two years.
  • Jun 16, 2019, 07:13 PM
    Wondergirl
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    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Dreams and fantasies. The liberal world. Talked with a guy last week whose house had broken into four times in the past two years.

    You shudda seen me chat in person and on the phone with weird library patrons. You'd have a lot more respect! Nothing liberal about it. CRT tv, CRT computer monitor, computer is at least 12 years old. Looking around for something valuable -- nada.

    The homeowners apparently weren't good hosts. And they must have a lot of fancy stuff in that house. Nuttin' in my house. Move on to a ritzier suburb.
  • Jun 17, 2019, 05:38 AM
    jlisenbe
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    The homeowners apparently weren't good hosts. And they must have a lot of fancy stuff in that house. Nuttin' in my house. Move on to a ritzier suburb.
    Not everything is intended to be treated in a careless, mocking fashion. There really are serious issues that need serious answers.
  • Jun 17, 2019, 08:16 AM
    talaniman
    Even in the early days of the old west when a bad guy with a gun gets the drop on you, you're pretty helpless and could lose your gun, and life. I appreciate your honest at not having a solution for a huge complex problem but let me ask if your right to a gun become a bigger priority than stopping killers from killing innocent unarmed people? Loony's and criminals don't care about the law and it's no wonder that ordinary people with precious stuff to protect would want a gun as well as people who hunt and shoot for sport. Maybe a loon can buy a gun with a clean record, but he isn't a loon until he does loony stuff so we have a mess between legal and non legal and the fools in between.

    I got no good answers either, other than banning guns or getting better cops for everywhere and everybody. Unfortunately there are enough bad cops to scare the hell out of most of the population, and even they have a few loons among them. You just can't tell anymore so lock your doors and keep the hardware handy.

    Good Luck with that living in fear. No guns in my house, haven't hunted in decades so we got good locks. Scared for everybody else everywhere else. What a crap shoot with no end in sight. Sometimes you have to laugh, because crying doesn't do any good.
  • Jun 17, 2019, 08:34 AM
    jlisenbe
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    I got no good answers either, other than banning guns or getting better cops for everywhere and everybody. Unfortunately there are enough bad cops to scare the hell out of most of the population, and even they have a few loons among them. You just can't tell anymore so lock your doors and keep the hardware handy.
    I agree with you. It's a tough problem to solve. A complete ban on gun ownership would do the job. I guess you could say it worked in the USSR and nazi Germany. It has worked in Zimbabwe and Venezuela, but people there are powerless to oppose corrupt and murderous governments, so they live in much greater fear than we do.

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    Good Luck with that living in fear. No guns in my house, haven't hunted in decades so we got good locks.
    If every homeowner owned a gun, knew how to use it, and was willing to use it, then that would stop a lot of needless violence. Laws mandating mandatory and prompt execution for gun murderers would help. A revival of genuine morality where kindness and neighborly love are more popularized than being able to sing or shoot a basketball would help. Making it more difficult for mentally disturbed people to own or have access to guns would help.

    "In March 1982, 25 years ago, the small town of Kennesaw – responding to a handgun ban in Morton Grove, Ill. – unanimously passed an ordinance requiring each head of household to own and maintain a gun. Since then, despite dire predictions of “Wild West” showdowns and increased violence and accidents, not a single resident has been involved in a fatal shooting – as a victim, attacker or defender."

    Read more at https://www.wnd.com/2007/04/41196/#RgpYJwV8HRBWLhMJ.99

    State of Mississippi has an open carry law. Our violent crime rate is considerably below the national average. Even with the open carry law, I rarely see anyone "packing", but a few people do.
  • Jun 17, 2019, 09:02 AM
    Wondergirl
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    If every homeowner owned a gun, knew how to use it, and was willing to use it, then that would stop a lot of needless violence.
    Who does he shoot while trying to find the bad guy or figure out who he is? And does the homeowner put on clothes first (after waking up from a deep sleep) before venturing out into the main part of the house to shoot the burglar who might really be his wife or teenager son who is craving a midnight snack?
  • Jun 17, 2019, 09:53 AM
    talaniman
    I won't buy into that corrupt murderous government as that's plain fear mongering, and I just don't see that happening nor a ban on all guns. There are some though that we could take out of circulation and BAN with exceptions like certification, registration and licensing standards.

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    If every homeowner owned a gun, knew how to use it, and was willing to use it, then that would stop a lot of needless violence. Laws mandating mandatory and prompt execution for gun murderers would help. A revival of genuine morality where kindness and neighborly love are more popularized than being able to sing or shoot a basketball would help. Making it more difficult for mentally disturbed people to own or have access to guns would help.

    Small rural sleepy college towns can get away with that sort of thing, but such towns aren't exactly a bedrock of crimes in the first place. Loonies don't seem to be deterred by being fried and there seems to be 10 more to take their place when they are. Not sure that helps cut crime or violence to be honest though the death penalty is a hot topic. If everybody was a good human all our problems would be solved but the reality is that's not the case, and I doubt that changes and goes deeper than the entertainment business.

    I go with making it a priority to vet the ones buying guns a more practical approach. That includes a medical and psyche evaluation which is what military and cops are subject to, so in line for the general public as well when it comes to buying a gun. Won't solve the problems tomorrow, but I think a good first step.
  • Jun 17, 2019, 10:33 AM
    Athos
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    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    A complete ban on gun ownership would do the job. I guess you could say it worked in the USSR and nazi Germany. It has worked in Zimbabwe and Venezuela, but people there are powerless to oppose corrupt and murderous governments,

    So, at its root, it's really about government which you guys truly hate even a benign one like the USA.

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    or shoot a basketball
    Dog whistle. Wow!
  • Jun 17, 2019, 10:33 AM
    jlisenbe
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    I go with making it a priority to vet the ones buying guns a more practical approach. That includes a medical and psyche evaluation which is what military and cops are subject to, so in line for the general public as well when it comes to buying a gun. Won't solve the problems tomorrow, but I think a good first step.
    Thousands more people are killed in car wrecks every year than gun homicides. Should we do a psych test for a drivers license? Just another big government solution and a wide open avenue to the government taking away guns.

    Say what you will about the city in Georgia, but 25 years with no gun homicide as compared to Chicago which can't make it 25 hours without a gun homicide.

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    I won't buy into that corrupt murderous government as that's plain fear mongering,
    That's because you don't live in Zimbabwe, Venezuela, South Africa, Russia, Cuba, Iran, or any one of many other countries where they live in daily fear of the government and have their liberties severely curtailed. Your answer is really amazing. You act as though oppressive governments don't exist. Just an astonishing position.

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    So, at its root, it's really about government which you guys truly hate even a benign one like the USA.
    A complete nonsense answer. The point is to AVOID large, oppressive, and corrupt governments. Wake up and smell the coffee. You might want to think a bit about why our government is "benign".
  • Jun 17, 2019, 11:40 AM
    talaniman
    [QUOTE=jlisenbe;3836696]Thousands more people are killed in car wrecks every year than gun homicides. Should we do a psych test for a drivers license? Just another big government solution and a wide open avenue to the government taking away guns.;/QUOTE]

    I think state and federal governments could work that out better after much more debate than just the two of us, and like I said it's an idea and a place to start as opposed to conflating one problem with another one, which may well require a different approach.

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    Say what you will about the city in Georgia, but 25 years with no gun homicide as compared to Chicago which can't make it 25 hours without a gun homicide.
    It's a nice college town and I am very familiar with that area but comparing it to the millions in Chicago is two entirely different issues and if you weren't so paranoid about "BIG" government taking your guns away then maybe you could see that. I mean geez JL, you could fit the whole town of which you speak into Soldier Field and still have a half empty empty stadium. An that's a small NFL stadium. It just don't compare is my point.
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    That's because you don't live in Zimbabwe, Venezuela, South Africa, Russia, Cuba, Iran, or any one of many other countries where they live in daily fear of the government and have their liberties severely curtailed. Your answer is really amazing. You act as though oppressive governments don't exist. Just an astonishing position.
    You don't live there either so know nothing about their problems or how to solve them. You have demonstrated a fear of your own government and you have any gun you want, so that cannot be the whole answer either. I recognize the primitive exploitive nature of those repressive dictatorships, and the way they control the population with capitalists money to ELITES to keep it that way. Iran in particular 9And add China and Russia too!} was exploited at one time by Euro businesses and then America, and that led directly to the 12ers revolt and power grab, made even worse with the dismantling of Iraq another repressive government that was our partner after the Shah fell, and we did business with Saddam who emerged after the overthrow of his government. You get the general idea here but it was us chasing the dollars that destabilized much of the Mideast and South America and even Africa by westerners chasing that dollar.

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    A complete nonsense answer. The point is to AVOID large, oppressive, and corrupt governments. Wake up and smell the coffee. You might want to think a bit about why our government is "benign".
    It's never been as benign as you think and has promoted the big bucks crowd for a long time going back to it's founding. It was a slow slog but the elites that control the money that have been running OUR government, just less obvious than those murderous repressive governments we all rail against. You went from being cool and thoughtful to partisan and dismissive rather fast, even for you in the face of disagreement.

    Your loony right wing roots come through loud and clear. Too much dufus red meat in your diet.
  • Jun 17, 2019, 01:25 PM
    jlisenbe
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    I think state and federal governments could work that out better after much more debate than just the two of us, and like I said it's an idea and a place to start as opposed to conflating one problem with another one, which may well require a different approach.
    Reasonable reply. Worth building on.

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    It's a nice college town and I am very familiar with that area but comparing it to the millions in Chicago is two entirely different issues and if you weren't so paranoid about "BIG" government taking your guns away then maybe you could see that. I mean geez JL, you could fit the whole town of which you speak into Soldier Field and still have a half empty empty stadium. An that's a small NFL stadium. It just don't compare is my point.
    Murder rate in Chicago is about 1 per 6,000 people, year after year after year. The murder rate in Kennesaw is 0 per 33,000, year after year after year for the past 25 years.

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    It's never been as benign as you think and has promoted the big bucks crowd for a long time going back to it's founding. It was a slow slog but the elites that control the money that have been running OUR government, just less obvious than those murderous repressive governments we all rail against.
    Come on, Tal, Surely you are not trying to compare living in the U.S. with living in Zimbabwe, Russia, Iran, or any one of dozens of other repressive regimes where liberties are constantly threatened. If you think it's comparable, I encourage you to go live in one of those countries for a year. You'll be so glad to get back to the U.S. you'll pee your pants when you get off the plane.

    BTW, I didn't say our government was benign. That was a quote from Athos.
  • Jun 17, 2019, 02:31 PM
    talaniman
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    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Murder rate in Chicago is about 1 per 6,000 people, year after year after year. The murder rate in Kennesaw is 0 per 33,000, year after year after year for the past 25 years.

    You could easily say the same for the burbs of Chicago where Kennesaw is but a burb of Atlanta. It's a huge difference between the big city and the small burb towns they approximate. Keep an open mind on that please, and explore how many gun shops there are in that small town of 33,000 and growing rapidly. Hey I don't knock what they've done, not at all but they crime rates are very different for different reasons JL, and you often cannot take what rural America can do and import it to the millions in a large city. Especially a well to do one. The whole flavor of poverty is immensely different, and much more desperate.

    Wait don't tell me, you live in a small town where everybody knows everybody, and the streets are empty at 10 pm. It's not a small difference.

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    Come on, Tal, Surely you are not trying to compare living in the U.S. with living in Zimbabwe, Russia, Iran, or any one of dozens of other repressive regimes where liberties are constantly threatened. If you think it's comparable, I encourage you to go live in one of those countries for a year. You'll be so glad to get back to the U.S. you'll pee your pants when you get off the plane.
    I don't compare the US to anyplace and have no plans to even visit, Canada maybe soon, but there is NO comparison and I implied none. With all our problems and challenges, I am grateful for where I was born. That doesn't mean it's paradise on Earth, and couldn't use some improvements here and there, but still NO comparisons as that would be patently unfair.

    LOL, there are many places here though that are dangerous enough to stay out of.
  • Jun 17, 2019, 03:37 PM
    jlisenbe
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    You could easily say the same for the burbs of Chicago where Kennesaw is but a burb of Atlanta.
    I'll bet you can't. Maybe so, but zero homicides in 25 years is pretty impressive.

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    explore how many gun shops there are in that small town of 33,000 and growing rapidly.
    They have a law that everyone who is a head of a household is to own a gun. So yeah, I imagine they have a lot of gunshops.

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    Wait don't tell me, you live in a small town where everybody knows everybody, and the streets are empty at 10 pm. It's not a small difference.
    Actually live just outside of a town of about 36,000. Scarcely a month goes by without a murder being committed. Most people have guns in the their homes and yes, as you said, the crime is concentrated in a certain area of town.
  • Jun 17, 2019, 07:22 PM
    paraclete
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    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post


    Actually live just outside of a town of about 36,000. Scarcely a month goes by without a murder being committed. Most people have guns in the their homes and yes, as you said, the crime is concentrated in a certain area of town.

    I live in a small regional city of about 40,000. We rarely have a murder here, maybe a suicide now and then. So I have to wonder what is wrong with the people in that town, that their lives are so hopeless that they have to resort to violence to solve their problems. Even when we have a vast influx of tourists once or twice a year the level of violence doesn't increase much, perhaps an uptick in road deaths. We have an ethos that, generally speaking, violence isn't acceptable
  • Jun 17, 2019, 07:40 PM
    Wondergirl
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    JL: Actually live just outside of a town of about 36,000. Scarcely a month goes by without a murder being committed.
    I live in a middle-class Chicago suburb, population around 44,000. During the past ten years, there have been fewer than five murders.
  • Jun 18, 2019, 01:43 AM
    jlisenbe
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    So I have to wonder what is wrong with the people in that town, that their lives are so hopeless that they have to resort to violence to solve their problems.
    Quite a number of low income housing units filled with single parent families and an absence of fathers. Kind of a predictable outcome. It's the something the Gospel could fix if believed on.
  • Jun 18, 2019, 04:28 AM
    talaniman
    Poverty over time leads to crime and violence. This is nothing new. You're right JL, quite a predictable outcome. Takes a lot more than the gospel to fill an empty belly. That's an old story too.
  • Jun 18, 2019, 05:25 AM
    jlisenbe
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    Poverty over time leads to crime and violence. This is nothing new. You're right JL, quite a predictable outcome. Takes a lot more than the gospel to fill an empty belly. That's an old story too.
    Poverty of mind. Poverty of spirit. Those are the real problems. The Gospel can fix those, and when those are repaired, then other areas begin to fall in line. The life changing power of Jesus is very powerful.
  • Jun 18, 2019, 06:00 AM
    paraclete
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    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Quite a number of low income housing units filled with single parent families and an absence of fathers. Kind of a predictable outcome. It's the something the Gospel could fix if believed on.

    Undoubtedly that is a solution, what do you recommend, door to door preachers?
  • Jun 18, 2019, 07:19 AM
    jlisenbe
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    Undoubtedly that is a solution, what do you recommend, door to door preachers?
    Why not?
  • Jun 18, 2019, 09:05 AM
    Wondergirl
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    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Undoubtedly that is a solution, what do you recommend, door to door preachers?

    Christian churches with practical outreach programs.
  • Jun 18, 2019, 10:40 AM
    talaniman
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    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Christian churches with practical outreach programs.

    Absolutely!! Not just Christians.
  • Jun 18, 2019, 10:50 AM
    Wondergirl
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    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Absolutely!! Not just Christians.

    Best would be that Christians, Jews, Muslims, agnostics, atheists, and everyone in between put their collective heads together to minister to and raise up the less fortunate not only spiritually but especially in their everyday physical and emotional needs. Being preached at goes only so far.
  • Jun 18, 2019, 10:55 AM
    Athos
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    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Best would be that Christians, Jews, Muslims, agnostics, atheists, and everyone in between put their collective heads together to minister to and raise up the less fortunate not only spiritually but especially in their everyday physical and emotional needs. Being preached at goes only so far.

    WG gets it right again!
  • Jun 18, 2019, 11:01 AM
    jlisenbe
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    Best would be that Christians, Jews, Muslims, agnostics, atheists, and everyone in between put their collective heads together to minister to and raise up the less fortunate not only spiritually but especially in their everyday physical and emotional needs. Being preached at goes only so far.
    Being preached at does very little. Admitting your lost state and trusting in Christ as your all in all will accomplish a great deal. I have watched it happen many times. As a confessing Christian, that is what I thought you believed. What did Jesus do? Did he go around handing out food and clothing all the time, or did he preach that people believe and live differently? If you answered he primarily preached, then you get it right.

    Not all, but most poverty starts in the heart. Poor life choices generally start in the heart. Having/fathering children outside of marriage, which is at the core of most poverty in America, is a heart disease. It's a change in heart that most people need. Now it's wonderful for the church to come alongside and help, which is why I do what I do, but without a change in heart, it's all pointless and in vain.

    Might add that I cannot imagine why any atheist should feel any moral compulsion to help the poor. Where would that moral compulsion come from for them? Not speaking of a desire, but of a genuine moral necessity, or of any moral code of any sort.
  • Jun 18, 2019, 11:28 AM
    Athos
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    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    trusting in Christ as your all in all will accomplish a great deal.

    No doubt in many cases, but not all.

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    What did Jesus do? Did he go around handing out food
    Jesus fed the 5,000, then he preached to the crowd.

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    Poor life choices generally start in the heart.
    This is called "blaming the victim". Self-righteous Christians do that extremely well.

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    I cannot imagine why any atheist should feel any moral compulsion to help the poor.
    You badly need to get out and meet some atheists. Most that I have met have better morality than the average Church-going Christian. Especially the born-again type Christians. They're not big on helping others - they're into their personal salvation, which is ok. It's better than nothing.
  • Jun 18, 2019, 01:15 PM
    jlisenbe
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    This is called "blaming the victim". Self-righteous Christians do that extremely well.
    Jesus must have been a self-righteous Christian. The teaching that poor life choices begin in the heart is His teaching, not mine.


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    You badly need to get out and meet some atheists. Most that I have met have better morality than the average Church-going Christian. Especially the born-again type Christians. They're not big on helping others - they're into their personal salvation, which is ok. It's better than nothing.
    I did not say atheists did not do moral acts. I said they had no basis for morality. As to comparing their morality to the average Christian, I don't think you have any idea what the average Christian's morality is, but famous atheists like Hitler, Stalin, and Mao tend to work against your theory.

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    Jesus fed the 5,000, then he preached to the crowd.
    The question is what did He primarily do. He primarily taught. He fed the multitude twice.
  • Jun 18, 2019, 01:53 PM
    Wondergirl
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    I did not say atheists did not do moral acts. I said they had no basis for morality.
    Yes, they do. Romans 2:14-15 (NLT) -- 14 Even Gentiles, who do not have God’s written law, show that they know his law when they instinctively obey it, even without having heard it. 15 They demonstrate that God’s law is written in their hearts, for their own conscience and thoughts either accuse them or tell them they are doing right.

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