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Women making less money and subject to sexual harassment.

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Women doing the same job with the same experience and training do not make less money than men. That has repeaedly been proven to be untrue. And the last time I checked, sexual harassment is against the law.

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Gays being thrown out the military

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Last I heard that was no longer being practiced.

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minorities specifically black and brown still fighting discrimination at the polls at the job and are more likely to see heavy jail time than white counterparts and profiled more intensely, and be beat or killed by cops.

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I'd like to see your documentation on that. The issue of jail time is less an issue of race than of the manner in which laws are written. As for being killed by cops, it is a rare occurrence for a non-white to be killed needlessly by a policeman. It gets talked about all the time, but then we find out, for instance, that Michael Brown actually assaulted the policeman who then turned out to be the victim in the whole story.

Since you brought up the Brown shooting I will use that.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.31ff0f7734d1

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Women doing the same job with the same experience and training do not make less money than men.

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You must be a man. Oh yes! You are! Wish I could relive job interviews and have you sitting next to me. It wasn't many years ago there was a huge enough difference between men's and women's pay.

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You must be a man. Oh yes! You are! Wish I could relive job interviews and have you sitting next to me. It wasn't many years ago there was a huge enough difference between men's and women's pay.

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Wow. What convincing data.

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Since you brought up the Brown shooting I will use that.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.31ff0f7734d1

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Yeah. I'm really going to pay a lot of attention to Obama's DOJ.

Ferguson is 2/3 black. If they don't like the way things are being run, they can elect a slate of liberal democrats and then follow the path of Detroit.

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Yeah. I'm really going to pay a lot of attention to Obama's DOJ.

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If it doesn't agree with your belief, it's FAKE NEWS. You have learned your lesson well from your master Trump.

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If it doesn't agree with your belief, it's FAKE NEWS. You have learned your lesson well from your master Trump.

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Well, of course it is fake, invented, twisted, partial but rarely the whole truth

Agreed the dufus rarely tells the whole truth, and lies multiple times with every breath. That takes natural skill and plenty of practice.

Probably learned it from Obama and HC.

Naw, its well documented he was a liar and cheater before those two came on the scene. His dad taught him well, and that's well documented too.

That might be, but no supporter of Obama and Clinton has any room to be critical.

Funny I say the same thing about supporters of the dufus. Obama is gone so it's just your turn in the barrel, so all those rocks you threw at Obama you should expect them back. I suggest you learn to duck.

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so all those rocks you threw at Obama you should expect them back. I suggest you learn to duck.

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Fair enough statement. Just remember that anything you say about Trump is also true of Obama, so don't act so shocked and outraged when you say them, and bear in mind that you do not occupy the moral high ground in any respect.

I don't need the moral high ground to dispute your outrageous claim that Obama did the same thing that the dufus is doing. The FACTUAL evidence just doesn't support your claim, but does support my assertion of your confusion between reality and BS!

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your outrageous claim that Obama did the same thing that the dufus is doing. The FACTUAL evidence just doesn't support your claim, but does support my assertion of your confusion between reality and BS!

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Yeah, he did. In fact his lying was about 4 brave Americans left to die in Benghazi as we have discussed before. He did it to insure his reelection. He also lied about Obamacare and AG Lynch meeting with BC in the airport. And just wait to see what is going to come out about his spying on the Trump campaign. There is your reality for you.

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Just remember that anything you say about Trump is also true of Obama.

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This is why it's impossible to have any kind of meaningful conversation with the loony right-wing.

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Yeah, he did. In fact his lying was about 4 brave Americans left to die in Benghazi as we have discussed before. He did it to insure his reelection. He also lied about Obamacare and AG Lynch meeting with BC in the airport. And just wait to see what is going to come out about his spying on the Trump campaign. There is your reality for you.

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I hate to break it to you but all that has been investigated by MANY including the GOP many times, and resolved and sorry you continue to be stuck on it. The matter at hand now are the dufus lies.

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This is why it's impossible to have any kind of meaningful conversation with the loony right-wing.

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Hardline extreme loony right wing.

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I hate to break it to you but all that has been investigated by MANY including the GOP many times, and resolved and sorry you continue to be stuck on it. The matter at hand now are the dufus lies.

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There is no question that Obama lied. For that matter, the Russia matter has been concluded and no charges filed against Trump, yet you continue to say he lies, so evidently you must not have to be convicted to be a liar.

You know guys, the incessant name-calling gets old, especially by the "We don't believe in name-calling," crowd. If you don't have anything intelligent to say, maybe you should try to just say nothing. Your example is far more revealing than your words.

Your facts are totally in error. Check your resources again.

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There is no question that Obama lied. For that matter, the Russia matter has been concluded and no charges filed against Trump, yet you continue to say he lies, so evidently you must not have to be convicted to be a liar.

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This is called a FALSE EQUIVALENCE. Trump has over ONE THOUSAND documented lies and misstatements on his account. The number grows every day. Even his fellow Republicans are increasingly embarrassed by this disgrace to everything decent in American life.

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You know guys, the incessant name-calling gets old, especially by the "We don't believe in name-calling," crowd. If you don't have anything intelligent to say, maybe you should try to just say nothing. Your example is far more revealing than your words.

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Maybe you should take your own advice. Your nearly constant presence on this board consists primarily of repeating your pro-Trump agenda while absolving yourself from his repellent lifestyle - all in the face of declaring yourself a Christian. You should know better.

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Your facts are totally in error. Check your resources again.

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No need to. My facts are correct.

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This is called a FALSE EQUIVALENCE. Trump has over ONE THOUSAND documented lies and misstatements on his account. The number grows every day. Even his fellow Republicans are increasingly embarrassed by this disgrace to everything decent in American life.

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I don't contend that Trump has not lied, but he has done nothing to compare with Obama's wild assertion that the Benghazi attack was not a terrorist attack. Four dead Americans were the result of his inaction. So yeah, it is a false equivalence to compare Trump's lies to that outrageous lie of President Obama.

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Maybe you should take your own advice. Your nearly constant presence on this board consists primarily of repeating your pro-Trump agenda while absolving yourself from his repellent lifestyle - all in the face of declaring yourself a Christian. You should know better.

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I have no pro-Trump agenda. I agree with his idea of a southern wall and admire his ability to encourage economic growth. I detest his continuance of deficit spending and his never-ending non-productive tweets and public statements. You need to pay closer attention. Much closer.

The news came out recently that Beto O'Rourke, rising democrat liberal star, is worth over nine million dollars, and yet gave less than one half of one percent of his income to charity. What a perfect example of what seems to me to be the typical liberal position on charity. I love poor people so much that I will take your money and give it to them.

You need to change that tin foil hat and let your nose go as there are NO facts in your entire first post #61. If there are SHOW ME! While you're at it show me the dufus charity giving which was recently dismantled, his family prohibited from any charity connections and a fine levied. Is that typical conservative behavior ripping off people, and using charity for personal gains?

https://www.theamericanconservative....-scam-charity/

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What a perfect example of what seems to me to be the typical liberal position on charity. I love poor people so much that I will take your money and give it to them.

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Better than Trump who creates a phony charity, takes the public's money, and then spends it on personal expenses and portraits of himself which he hangs in his clubhouses. The chutzpah is breathtaking!

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You need to change that tin foil hat and let your nose go as there are NO facts in your entire first post #61.

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Trump sent his NSA on to five different Sunday morning news programs to tell everyone that the attack was a spontaneous reaction to an offensive video. He then later said in a televised debate that he had said all along that it was an act of terror. Now I know you love the man, but there is a lie in there.

He said we could keep our doctor and keep our current policies when he introduced Obamacare. I guess he forgot to read the legislation because that turned out to be wrong for many people. Lynch met with BC on the tarmac of an airport while HC was under an active FBI investigation. Please don't tell me you are trying to say these things did not happen. If so, there are probably only four other people in America who would agree with you. You might as well say the sun does not rise in the east. It's silliness.

I don't care that O'Rourke doesn't give to charity. That's his business. I do care that he, and many other liberals, want to act like the very soul of charity because they are willing to take money from taxpayers to give to the poor. If you want to impress the rest of us, tell us what you are personally doing first. I do agree that the chutzpah of that attitude is, indeed, breathtaking.

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Trump sent his NSA on to five different Sunday morning news programs to tell everyone that the attack was a spontaneous reaction to an offensive video. He then later said in a televised debate that he had said all along that it was an act of terror. Now I know you love the man, but there is a lie in there.

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I guess you missed Obama's Rose Garden speech on September 12th 2011 and subsequent speeches where he clearly says Benghazi was a terrorist attack You cannot ignore there was unrest at all the embassies for one reason or another at that time and security was heightened throughout the world. I have sent you many links before on this that you ignore or refuse to acknowledge or just don't get in your continued right wing loony mantra. The lie is yours to own.

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He said we could keep our doctor and keep our current policies when he introduced Obamacare. I guess he forgot to read the legislation because that turned out to be wrong for many people. Lynch met with BC on the tarmac of an airport while HC was under an active FBI investigation. Please don't tell me you are trying to say these things did not happen. If so, there are probably only four other people in America who would agree with you. You might as well say the sun does not rise in the east. It's silliness.

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Your doctor can drop you and I wish he would have explained that. Lynch promptly recused herself and left it to the FBI on the HC investigation which was proper and appropriate even if Comey dropped the ball. The silliness is yours to own despite facts.

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I don't care that O'Rourke doesn't give to charity. That's his business. I do care that he, and many other liberals, want to act like the very soul of charity because they are willing to take money from taxpayers to give to the poor. If you want to impress the rest of us, tell us what you are personally doing first. I do agree that the chutzpah of that attitude is, indeed, breathtaking.

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More anti government right wing crap since it's your county who decides who to help in conjunction with the government, both repub, and dems and for sure Ms. is a repub stronghold taking YOUR money. Your ignorance of the law and the process of it's functions undoubtedly contributes to your blaming the libs when the government is neither liberal nor conservative.

Of course you never acknowledge that, since you think no conservative would ever take your money to assist needy people. It's no wonder you take the side of the lying, cheating, DUFUS. I guess talking about the past is easier than talking about the present antics of dufus and his lying AG William Barr.

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I guess you missed Obama's Rose Garden speech on September 12th 2011 and subsequent speeches where he clearly says Benghazi was a terrorist attack

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So why did he send his NSA on five Sunday morning news programs to say otherwise?

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Lynch promptly recused herself and left it to the FBI on the HC investigation which was proper and appropriate even if Comey dropped the ball.

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The AG meets in private for forty five minutes with a man whose wife is prominently under FBI investigation, but you think that's all hunky dory? Yeah, she recused herself AFTER the whole mess became public. Wow. You really did love Obama.

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More anti government right wing crap since it's your county who decides who to help in conjunction with the government, both repub, and dems and for sure Ms. is a repub stronghold taking YOUR money. Your ignorance of the law and the process of it's functions undoubtedly contributes to your blaming the libs when the government is neither liberal nor conservative.

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Liberal dems constantly brag about the wonders of the welfare system which is a fed program, funded by fed taxes, administered by the states. O'Rourke is such a perfect example of the people who love to brag about being charitable with someone else's money.

Obamacare claims. "Here is a guarantee that I've made. If you have insurance that you like, then you will be able to keep that insurance. If you've got a doctor that you like, you will be able to keep your doctor." How did that "guarantee" pan out? https://www.weeklystandard.com/jeryl...ep-your-doctor

At least you and "the dufus" are in complete agreement with the need to ridicule your opponents with name calling. Like I said earlier, I think you are more like him than you care to admit.

Why are you arguing issues that are years old, move on, the world has moved, Kim has updated weapons, China has expanded, Putin sits in the Kremlin and laughs. You spend vasts amounts of money and it goes nowhere. You have to find the plughole and put the plug in

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Very true. It's identifying the plughole that is giving us a problem.

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Very true. It's identifying the plughole that is giving us a problem.

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You start with the biggest A/hole and work from there, there is no shortage of candidates

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Why are you arguing issues that are years old, move on, the world has moved, Kim has updated weapons, China has expanded, Putin sits in the Kremlin and laughs. You spend vasts amounts of money and it goes nowhere. You have to find the plughole and put the plug in

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You can't say the money is going nowhere Clete. Rich guys are doing GREAT, better than most governments in the world. The military is the best in the world. Who cares about debts, as long as the Chinese and others buy savings bonds. Everybody just got a tax cut, so what could you be talking about?

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You can't say the money is going nowhere Clete. Rich guys are doing GREAT, better than most governments in the world. The military is the best in the world. Who cares about debts, as long as the Chinese and others buy savings bonds. Everybody just got a tax cut, so what could you be talking about?

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You think this is OK, you just outspend everyone and expect the Chinese to pay. You are living in a delusion. Tal are you one of those rich guys or just the chump who pays?

Not too sure that you guys are setting a great example yourselves.

Date (30 June)	Gross debt (A$ billion)	Debt ceiling (A$ billion)
2004	59.628	n/a
2005	60.103	n/a
2006	59.078	n/a
2007	58.273	75
2008	60.451	75
2009	101.136	200
2010	147.123	200
2011	191.283	250
2012	233.968	300
2013	257.370	300
2014	319.479	n/a
2015	368.730	n/a
2016	420.412	n/a
2017	500.979	n/a
2018	531.937

2017 and 2018 are the dufus debts up from Obama's I will note. Those are your rich guy taxes.

Trump has a long ways to go to catch up with Mr. Obama.

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Not too sure that you guys are setting a great example yourselves.

Date (30 June)	Gross debt (A$ billion)	Debt ceiling (A$ billion)
2004	59.628	n/a
2005	60.103	n/a
2006	59.078	n/a
2007	58.273	75
2008	60.451	75
2009	101.136	200
2010	147.123	200
2011	191.283	250
2012	233.968	300
2013	257.370	300
2014	319.479	n/a
2015	368.730	n/a
2016	420.412	n/a
2017	500.979	n/a
2018	531.937

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Yes it is an issue, however our budgets will be in surplus and our debt is a much lower percentage of GDP, now if you could use the same level of fiscal responsibility

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Yes it is an issue, however our budgets will be in surplus and our debt is a much lower percentage of GDP, now if you could use the same level of fiscal responsibility

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Fair enough statement, but found some interesting info from the link below.

1. This budget year will see a surplus of $7.1 billion, equal to 0.4 per cent of GDP. (Will be interesting to see how that works out.)
2. Budget surpluses will build in size in the medium term and are expected to exceed 1 per cent of GDP from 2026-27. (Promises, promises.)
3. The Government is reducing debt, not through higher taxes, but by good budget management and growing the economy. (Sounds a lot like the Reagan plan.)

https://www.budget.gov.au/2019-20/content/overview.htm

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Fair enough statement, but found some interesting info from the link below.

1. This budget year will see a surplus of $7.1 billion, equal to 0.4 per cent of GDP. (Will be interesting to see how that works out.)
2. Budget surpluses will build in size in the medium term and are expected to exceed 1 per cent of GDP from 2026-27. (Promises, promises.)
3. The Government is reducing debt, not through higher taxes, but by good budget management and growing the economy. (Sounds a lot like the Reagan plan.)

https://www.budget.gov.au/2019-20/content/overview.htm

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https://www.usdebtclock.org/

Let us just say, that for the moment, we no longer have a government that spends like a man with no arms, and the economy has not collapsed or gone into recession. We don't know whether future plans will be realised, particularly if the dingbat left is elected in a few weeks, however we have your GFC to thank for the current position. I would also say that along with government debt, household debt has risen to dizzing heights during that time, so I'm not worried

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Because, unlike government debt, it is secured by tangible assets, desirable assets that others are beating a path to our door to buy, in any case, our Gold mines continue to pump out value, our iron and coal are sold on the world stage, and we have untapped wealth, our education system is world class and we educate many overseas students. What this says is it is our wolrd view that will eventually prevail