Trust but verify, but I admit I do not trust the dufus or his sycophants at all so show me the details. That's FAIR isn't it.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
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Trust but verify, but I admit I do not trust the dufus or his sycophants at all so show me the details. That's FAIR isn't it.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
The law requires that House has the full report in which to exercise their due diligience of oversight as written in the Constitution. I can agree with your concerns of debt, or more broadly fiscal management, but you like your tax cuts, but you cannot hide behind your dual citizenship of heaven and Earth but follow a devil down his path.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
What law is that?Quote:
The law requires that House has the full report in which to exercise their due diligience of oversight as written in the Constitution.
More name calling. Are you taking lessons from Mr. Trump?Quote:
you cannot hide behind your dual citizenship of heaven and Earth but follow a devil down his path.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_oversight
Is it name calling, or the truth?
I didn't take your link since I'm pretty sure President Trump is not a devil.Quote:
Is it name calling, or the truth?
The link was to the law as applicable to why the dems house can LEGALLY get the unredacted Mueller report. You asked, I provided.
And Sneaky Barr said the complete report will be available to Congress on April 15. Congress goes on its Spring break April 12.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
No, the link was to a Wiki article giving a general overview of the function of the Congress. Nice try.Quote:
The link was to the law
I thought you were opposed to name calling.Quote:
Sneaky Barr
And you need to dig a little deeper. The Congress will get a redacted version.
https://www.npr.org/2019/03/29/70812...eral-barr-says
"Nadler and other Democrats had asked for a complete release by April 2, but Barr said it would a take little longer to make the necessary redactions to protect grand jury material, sources and methods, and ongoing investigations, a process that Mueller is assisting in."
You have a problem with the intelligence committee seeing the unredacted version? What are you guys hiding?
I don't know who the "you guys" are, but I have no interest at all in not letting them see the entire report. The law, however, at least as I understand it, does not allow for it. But that's OK. You dems are starting to look like unreasonable fanatics when you refuse to just quietly step back and move on.Quote:
You have a problem with the intelligence committee seeing the unredacted version? What are you guys hiding?
There is a process in place for the AG to release an unredacted copy to the Intel committee IMMEDIATELY. It was used by Jaworski in the Watergate investigation. Barr knows that. That's okay. There is a legal remedy available to the congress also.
What you don't know how to handle lying, cheating, bullies? Giving them what they want is not an option. Step back quietly indeed!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Jaworski's report contained any grand jury testimony. That is the part that is protected by law and is to be confidential.Quote:
There is a process in place for the AG to release an unredacted copy to the Intel committee IMMEDIATELY. It was used by Jaworski in the Watergate investigation.
Keep going with this. Trump probably loves it because the public is starting to see this for what it's been all along, which is an effort by the "hate Trump" crowd to get to him at any price. It has very little, in my view, to do with justice. It is just a vindictive effort to get to Trump.
Secret from the public yes, and considering the grand jury's work is still proceeding rightfully so, but that shouldn't stop it from being held from the Intell committee, who gets briefed at the highest levels of any ongoing investigations by the intelligence community on a regular basis.
Regardless the hate the dufus crowd is bigger than you think, and his supporters are hardly a majority of the country. Besides the vast majority wants to know what Mueller found even repubs and dufus supporters. Unlike you who may believe his lie, he has not been exonerated by ANYBODY of obstruction of justice.
You can quietly back away and move on if you want to. I expect dems to press forward, despite what the right wing noise machine or the dufus says.
Nadler is a phony . When the Starr report was ready and the law required it's full release ;Nadler did all he could to prevent it's release .
You know and I know that it would be illegal to release Mueller's report unedited .He can't release materials about ongoing investigations, classified materials, disputes among prosecutors as to the meaning of the law.Mueller indicted 37 people and probably investigated more than that and many of them were not indicted, and material about them can't be released legally .Assuming Trump waived his right to privacy or executive privilege ,there are still parts of the report that cant be released as much as you and I wish so.
We may never see it, but for sure our lawmakers should under classification of course. Nadler may have failed before, but I think that he may prevail on this one. Might take a while since Starr was more than happy to squeal on Clinton. Barr will protect the dufus though as much as he can, for as long as he can.
Every republican in Washington is hoping the dems continue this ridiculous witch hunt. It makes them look sillier by the day.
Maybe so, but as more is revealed you may be glad dems are doing their due diligence. TRUST BUT VERIFY! What's forgotten in all this is all the witches that have been caught.
Some witch hunt!
After 4 times over a few years, Trump can't even remember where his father was born. He keeps saying Germany instead of New York City, the actual birthplace. Even after several corrections by his staff, he continues to give the wrong location. The man is clearly mentally disabled. No joke.
His tweet shrieks are getting shriller and shriller as the noose tightens. The committee that wrote the Mueller report claims Barr misrepresented the report. Is anybody surprised that Trump's flunky Barr did that? The committee says there's a lot of bad info about Trump that Barr simply ignored.
To top it all off, another committee is legally demanding Trump's tax returns for the last six years. Individual and corporate.
Funny thing about Trump - you'd think that for the thousands of dollars he spends on a suit and a topcoat, he could get them to fit. Weird.
Keep on dreaming.
Wake up!Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
"The noose is tightening." No, the Mueller report has basically exonerated Trump.
"His tweet shrieks are getting shriller and shriller." Fair enough statement.
"The man is clearly mentally disabled." Ridiculous statement.
As to his tax returns, it's just yet another example of the sickening fishing expedition the dems see themselves on and a gross overreach of federal power which should alarm everyone. Every person's tax returns are confidential. The IRS seems to have no problems with them. It is no one's business but Trump's.
Until we see the Mueller report, exoneration is an unsubstantiated opinion. Congress has the power and authority to see the presidents tax return, that's just the law, and to add it's our business to scrutinize the fellow in the white house diligently. You may want to take the word of a lying, cheater as fact, many are NOT, and we who do not require more answers to our questions. That's just due diligence no matter how you spin it.
Such scrutiny is part of the job JL.
1. Barr did not write the summary alone . He wrote it WITH Mueller and Rod Rosenstein . Do you really think either of them would be involved in covering up the content of the report if it in any way revealed criminal obstruction ;or that Trump colluded with the Russians ?
2.Congress can TRY to obtain Trump's tax returns by making a request to Sec Treasury Steve Mnuchin under §6103 .It is doubtful he will honor the request . Maybe a so called whistlblower in the IRS could hand them over . But they would then be illegally obtained . There is no valid or justifiable reason to access the president’s returns other than the political quest to arm the Democrats with unsavory allegations against Trump. They certainly have not argued any real legislative reason for wanting the see them .
jilsenbe has a good point . He has had his taxes audited by the IRS ;including under the politicized IRS of the emperor's reign . You know ;the IRS that was targeting conservative groups to deny them non-profit status ? That IRS . And they found nothing .Mueller almost certainly got his hands on Trump's returns during the course of his investigation. IF there were anything wrong with them we would've already heard about it .
Where did you read that?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Two officials with knowledge of Barr’s thinking suggested that in writing his summary, Barr was cautious about deviating from a Justice Department practice to “not disclose derogatory details in closing an investigation."
You make a lot of assumptions not based in facts, but the process is the process and the politics is not lost on any of us. The dufus boys will fight, and so will the dems. This is a popcorn match up for me as things develop. For the rest it appears we just root for our team and see what comes of it. The Dufus's basic tactic though is tie things up in court, so he probably has a lot of lawyers ready to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Oh please. That's exactly what you did with Hillary and Obama, so don't be so quick to judge.Quote:
You may want to take the word of a lying, cheater as fact
I am taking the word of Barr. In what way has he demonstrated himself to be a liar and a cheater?
Tomder, please post the link where Barr said he wrote his summary with Mueller's and Rosenstein's input.
That is what Tomder contended. Barr would only be lying is BARR said he did that when in fact he did not.
My understanding is the Barr is presently working with Mueller to decide what needs to be redacted.
yeah like the courts have been his friend.
Mueller has been great at redacting his own court filings so I'm dubious if he suddenly needed Barr to do it for him.
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Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I meant to type mining but manufacturing got in there - my error. Obama brought us out of the recession which you acknowledged in a backhanded way. For hate, nothing surpasses the comments of you and yours re Obama and the Clintons.
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But his policies have led to an economic revival such as we have not seen in a long time.
The revival began with Obama. Look it up.
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He has appointed conservative judges. He takes our southern border and North Korea seriously and continues to support religious liberty and traditional marriage. All of this makes him, in my mind, far superior to the consummate politician we had before, and certainly better than the most corrupt politician of my lifetime, HC.
He is supposed to appoint judges who are guided by the LAW, not by an ideology. What he has done with the southern border is arguably the worst thing he has done out of many many disgusting things. Children in cages, separated from their mothers! He has now given a murderous madmen in North Korea standing in the world and he says he loves him. And all this makes him, IN YOUR MIND, far superior to Hillary Clinton. Your hatred is showing.
He says he can't release his tax returns because they're being audited. An audit has nothing to do with releasing a tax return. Nixon released his under audit.
He gets more and more confused on a daily basis. He still hasn't figured out that his father wasn't born in Germany. Today he walked his threats against Mexico back when somebody informed him what a disaster that would be for the economy. So he went back to tariffs - a simple concept he seems unable to grasp. But he graduated with honors and uses big words. So sad.
I was mistaken when suggesting that Mueller assisted in writing the Barr letter . I was not mistaken in saying Att Gen Rosenstien (who appointed Mueller ,and volunteered to wire up to attempt a 25th Amendment coup on Trump ...in other words ,no fan of the President ) assisted Barr in writing the letter . I am also correct in noting that Mueller is assisting Barr in preparing the redactions for the release of Mueller's report to Congress (not to the public).
In doing this I am sure they are taking in the recent DC circus court decision McKeever v Barr that supports Rule 6(e) of the Federal rules of Criminal Procedure that Grand Jury proceedings cannot be disclosed .At very least ,Barr and Mueller Must redact any information that was obtained by a Grand Jury proceeding . They also will do the standard redactions protecting sources and methods ,and classified information .
Although all of us would like to see the report un-redacted ;and some of us would also like to see the full disclosure of the filing that led to the FISA approvals that permitted the emperor's justice Dept to spy on an opposing Presidential campaign ;it just is not going to happen . So the bleating cries of 'cover up ' will continue .
Probably true. Core values are becoming so wildly different amongst various groups that it is hard to see how we will be able to hold together. When liberals argue that late term abortions and even infanticide are perfectly acceptable, then I don't know how that gap can be bridged.Quote:
Although all of us would like to see the report un-redacted ;and some of us would also like to see the full disclosure of the filing that led to the FISA approvals that permitted the emperor's justice Dept to spy on an opposing Presidential campaign ;it just is not going to happen . So the bleating cries of 'cover up ' will continue .
How can Republicans scream that abortion (of white fetuses...) is a sin, yet allow (brown) refugee and migrant babies and children suffer and die? Hmmm, methinks I've figured it out.Quote:
JL: When liberals argue that late term abortions and even infanticide are perfectly acceptable...
Big difference. No republican advocates what you have stated, and I challenge you to find a single quote from any prominent republican which would show that. On the other hand, every prominent dem I can think of is in favor of late term abortions, and several have advocated for infanticide.Quote:
How can Republicans scream that abortion (of white fetuses...) is a sin, yet allow (brown) refugee and migrant babies and children suffer and die? Hmmm, methinks I've figured it out.
For someone who claims to be against hate speech, you sure are dabbling in it yourself. Your post so illustrates what I have observed in liberals. Since the truth is not favorable to you, then just make things up. That was a disappointing post, and most especially what your last sentence seemed to infer.
And many repubs like you are just plain against ALL abortions for any reason. So what?
Of course, no repub is going to actually SAY that. Why is it implied and actually happening that way?Quote:
JL: No republican advocates what you have stated, and I challenge you to find a single quote from any prominent republican which would show that.
Which is why you had to make the whole thing up. Hmmm. Methinks I've figured out why.Quote:
Of course, no repub is going to actually SAY that.
Like wind mills cause cancer? That kind of making stuff up? Nothing wrong with being pro life, but making stuff up about all dems support late term abortions on demand is a straight up fallacy, and I guess you think repubs women never have legal abortions too?
OK. Tell me which dem candidate for president does not support late term abortions.
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