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AOC has a lot to learn dealing with law, process and shooting her mouth off, but she will. Will the dufus? His face saving emergency is quite laughable and honestly stupid. I can forgive a young energetic know nothing, but am having a hard time doing the same for an old LIAR and bully. Amazon has no clean hands either considering their VAST resources, and expertise. Stupid humans, more noise than brains!

As to CO2, seems a simple deduction for upgrades to aging plants and technology would solve that problem though it could take decades. CO2 is not the only dangerous biproduct of processing CO2 as far as fossil fuels are concerned, and the air isn't the only thing that burning fossil fuels pollute.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

AOC has a lot to learn dealing with law, process and shooting her mouth off, but she will. Will the dufus? His face saving emergency is quite laughable and honestly stupid. I can forgive a young energetic know nothing, but am having a hard time doing the same for an old LIAR and bully. Amazon has no clean hands either considering their VAST resources, and expertise. Stupid humans, more noise than brains!

As to CO2, seems a simple deduction for upgrades to aging plants and technology would solve that problem though it could take decades. CO2 is not the only dangerous biproduct of processing CO2 as far as fossil fuels are concerned, and the air isn't the only thing that burning fossil fuels pollute.

Tal there is no doubt we need better technologies and retrofitting old plants doesn't cut it. Anything produced by man has a finite life. However our new technologies so far cause serious problems so it is illusionary and this is the problem with AGW and climate change

If the challenge is too great you can do like the Chinese do and that get a silly little mask and wear it 24/7.

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As to CO2, seems a simple deduction for upgrades to aging plants and technology would solve that problem.

There are no upgrades I have heard of that will prevent the burning of coal or natural gas from producing CO2. What upgrades did you have in mind? Masks do no good for CO2 simply because it is not the breathing of the CO2 that is the problem.

The only long term solution is the development of a reasonably priced, plentiful replacement for fossil fuels. Other than nukes, I don't know of one.

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If the challenge is too great you can do like the Chinese do and that get a silly little mask and wear it 24/7.

The Chinese wear masks because of pollution, particulate pollution, they have some very unhealthy practices there. I don't need to do that because I live in a place of open blue skies and no pollution. We have a sensible attitude to coal as well as no fracking, another source of pollution. We leave all those unhealthy practices to be visited on the denizens of the northern hemispherewho delight in screwing themselvesd

What pollution does fracking produce?

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What a chump Bezos is. A little opposition he takes his ball and runs.

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What pollution does fracking produce?

The chemicals used pollute ground water and the wells release methane

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The chemicals used pollute ground water and the wells release methane

It has repeatedly been demonstrated that the chemicals do not pollute ground water. Fracking is done FARRR below groundwater. As to methane, I understand that is a concern, but it's a concern for all oil wells, not just the ones that used fracking. I've seen many wells that simply burn the methane off, but if we need to address that, then I'm all for it.

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It has repeatedly been demonstrated that the chemicals do not pollute ground water. Fracking is done FARRR below groundwater. As to methane, I understand that is a concern, but it's a concern for all oil wells, not just the ones that used fracking. I've seen many wells that simply burn the methane off, but if we need to address that, then I'm all for it.

Oh it must be wonderful to believe all the B/S you are fed. We have proven the detrimental effects of fracking and it is no longer allowed here. Simply burning the methane off means you have a well generating CO2 which you are against, you might as well dig the coal up and burn it as derive fuel this way

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Oh it must be wonderful to believe all the B/S you are fed. We have proven the detrimental effects of fracking and it is no longer allowed here.

So when Aussies do research it is all believable, but when Americans do multiple studies that all show the same thing, it is BS. What a wonderful fantasy world you live in. Might add that..surprise..there is fracking being done in Aussie land. https://www.sbs.com.au/news/what-is-...ding-australia

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Simply burning the methane off means you have a well generating CO2 which you are against,

Or not burn it off which produces methane which you are against. Pick your poison.

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you might as well dig the coal up and burn it as derive fuel this way

When you figure out how to pull up to a gas station and fill your tank up with coal, then go for it. Petroleum is largely used for transportation fuels, not coal.

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So when Aussies do research it is all believable, but when Americans do multiple studies that all show the same thing, it is BS. What a wonderful fantasy world you live in. Might add that..surprise..there is fracking being done in Aussie land. https://www.sbs.com.au/news/what-is-...ding-australia

No doubt many undesirable methodologies are use in primitive societies. The NT is a somewhat primitive place but in more enlightened places it has been discontinued

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Or not burn it off which produces methane which you are against. Pick your poison.

What I would prefer is that it is not produced in the first place. The point of fracking is to produce a gas for fuel so burning it is a waste of resources

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When you figure out how to pull up to a gas station and fill your tank up with coal, then go for it. Petroleum is largely used for transportation fuels, not coal.

You have heard of steam vehicles, not used much these days

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No doubt many undesirable methodologies are use in primitive societies. The NT is a somewhat primitive place but in more enlightened places it has been discontinued

So anyone who disagrees with you is primitive??

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You have heard of steam vehicles, not used much these days

That one made me laugh. A steam car powered by coal. They'll sell like hotcakes!

Keep on trolling you might catch something

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What a chump Bezos is. A little opposition he takes his ball and runs.

The corrupt Democrat Tammany Hall pols make NY the worse state in the country to conduct business . Why should Bezos have to deal with them ? AOC and her NIMBY economic ignorant cronies did Amazon a favor. She's dumb enough to now think the $3 billion that Amazon was getting in tax incentives will now be available for her community activist projects . But how is she going to replace the 25,000 jobs Amazon was bringing to the city ? The city would've recouped many times more in economic activity the move would've brought .

Why would you burn off the methane instead of capturing it to use it as a natural gas energy source ?

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Why would you burn off the methane instead of capturing it to use it as a natural gas energy source ?

This is a question that can only be resolved by deciding what methane actually is, but the ignorant don't know what it is, so they burn it. Some actually think that by burning it, that is combining it with oxygen that it becomes less harmfull

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Methane (CH4) is a colorless, odorless gas at standard pressure and is the primary component of natural gas

. It's an attractive fuel source because it burns cleanly and is relatively abundant. Methane is also used extensively in industrial chemistry since it's the precursor for many chemical reactions

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This is a question that can only be resolved by deciding what methane actually is, but the ignorant don't know what it is, so they burn it. Some actually think that by burning it, that is combining it with oxygen that it becomes less harmfull

Well, it becomes CO2 and water vapor when burned, and you say that CO2 is harmless, so what would the problem be?

Do you really believe that the oil companies that burn off natural gas actually don't know what it is?? Really?

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Well, it becomes CO2 and water vapor when burned, and you say that CO2 is harmless, so what would the problem be?

Do you really believe that the oil companies that burn off natural gas actually don't know what it is?? Really?

No, I think you don't know what it is and they don't care. Having more CO2 and water vapour is considered by some to not be helpful. I think CO2 in the right environment such as plant propagation may be useful but there is generally a disconnect between CO2 production and its uses. As I have said before, if this is a problem, it is a northern hemisphere problem. You created the problem, you fix it. Otherwise, just move along, nothing to see here

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No, I think you don't know what it is

Methane is CH4. Learned that about forty years ago.

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Methane is CH4. Learned that about forty years ago.

And...

And... read your own previous post and you will understand.

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And... read your own previous post and you will understand.

So you are saying I told you something you already know, ah well, some of us need reminding

No. Read it carefully. Read the first nine words very carefully, and then you will understand.

And on a different note, this made me laugh. Could you have been any more tentative? I mean, "..considered by some to be not helpful." Talk about straddling the fence. Are they bad or not?

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Having more CO2 and water vapour is considered by some to not be helpful.

No it is a statement of fact some think CO2 is bad, I don't share that view but I don't see the point of being wasteful either

You will have to trust me Clete but high levels of CO2 is harmful to humans. A simple enough test is put a bag over your head and see how that works for you trying to breathe CO2 that you have dispelled. Or try a small room with no ventilation. No oxygen, no life so yeah it can be BAD. The CO2 level doesn't have to kill you, you get disorientated and have trouble thinking, even headaches at slightly elevated levels.

Even worse for newborns and babies. Studies have shown that living close to a coal fired plant poses health risks.
I'm sure you've seen the pictures from China when they shutdown the power plants for a few days so the tourists can see where they're going. Silly humans keep denying the facts right in front of you. Do your dirt buying Chinese a favor and sell them some modern technology so they can stop using those disgusting masks that do literally nothing.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

You will have to trust me Clete but high levels of CO2 is harmful to humans. A simple enough test is put a bag over your head and see how that works for you trying to breathe CO2 that you have dispelled. Or try a small room with no ventilation. No oxygen, no life so yeah it can be BAD. The CO2 level doesn't have to kill you, you get disorientated and have trouble thinking, even headaches at slightly elevated levels.

Even worse for newborns and babies. Studies have shown that living close to a coal fired plant poses health risks.
I'm sure you've seen the pictures from China when they shutdown the power plants for a few days so the tourists can see where they're going. Silly humans keep denying the facts right in front of you. Do your dirt buying Chinese a favor and sell them some modern technology so they can stop using those disgusting masks that do literally nothing.

Must be a lot of CO2 around my place

Actually there was a lot more until your government got smart and did something about it.

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You will have to trust me Clete but high levels of CO2 is harmful to humans. A simple enough test is put a bag over your head and see how that works for you trying to breathe CO2 that you have dispelled. Or try a small room with no ventilation. No oxygen, no life so yeah it can be BAD.

Atmospheric CO2 in measured in parts per million. It is a tiny, tiny, tiny component of air, and there is no one who suggests that breathing in air with a substantially higher level of CO2 will be bad in the least for anyone's health. The concern is about its warming effect, not any ill health effects. Comparing atmospheric CO2 with putting a bag over your head is a poor comparison.

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I'm sure you've seen the pictures from China when they shutdown the power plants for a few days so the tourists can see where they're going.

That has absolutely, positively nothing to do with carbon dioxide.

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Actually there was a lot more until your government got smart and did something about it.

Not really I am surrounded by forest, as far as smart is concerned, yes, a few old coal fired power stations were closed and we now have massive solar and wind installations, you may think that is smart, I do not, as in places where this has happened they have power outages in summer

AOC has adopted a new theme song for the green new delusion :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRDOrCFIY4c

You have to think big to get a little good work done.

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You have to think big to get a little good work done.

She's thinking big all right. She would take a disastrous level of debt and make it much, much bigger.

you also need pixi dust and unicorns for her plans .

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you also need pixi dust and unicorns for her plans .

What a pity I'm fresh out of pixie dust and unicorns, will yowies and brolgas dancing in the moonlight do instead

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She's thinking big all right. She would take a disastrous level of debt and make it much, much bigger.

Don't act like you care about the debt when you elected the King of Debt.

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Don't act like you care about the debt when you elected the King of Debt.

No I'm fairly sure that was the one you elected, BO, Trump speaks of being skilled and he must be the only one, because the others certainly weren't

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No I'm fairly sure that was the one you elected, BO, Trump speaks of being skilled and he must be the only one, because the others certainly weren't

Have you been sniffing brolgas or something?

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Don't act like you care about the debt when you elected the King of Debt.

I am beyond astonished you would allege that. You voted for Obama, who added as much to the national debt in his two terms as every single president before him combined, and yet you want to bring up Trump in connection with debt. Wow. That is amazing.