And I guess it was our fault as well in the years prior to 06? The biggest problem we have is the disintegration of the family caused, primarily, by a decline of Christian values.
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And I guess it was our fault as well in the years prior to 06? The biggest problem we have is the disintegration of the family caused, primarily, by a decline of Christian values.
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Attachment 49142Well it might have been, you caused so many, but the point is, we had overcome the days of bad leftist spend policies and got it below zero and along came another american engineered depression. But I don't think you can even read the graph you presented, In the years prior to 08 we were trending down but why don't you compare it to your own debt level, it is instructive
Notwithstanding you Christians elected the absolute worse example of Christian values, what does that have to do with the recession caused by the rich guys screwing up the money? You do realize that the world is tied together by OUR money, so when we screw up we screw up everybody else. Our debt is tied to those screw ups and recovery from it, and repubs brilliant idea that we can add to it and have nothing in return since they gave a huge chunk of that deficit funded tax cut to the rich guys who screwed us in the first place, which by now you have realized that your tax cuts were deficit neutral and temporary which means they are short lived as a benefit to ordinary folks, while the dufus and rich guys extract the wealth from the economy in perpetuity, or until somebody wakes up and makes some drastic changes.Quote:
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Like an election. Where we don't squander a strong recovery by adding debts instead of paying them down. Where we can get qualified people to govern and not the self enriching appointees by the dufus. Or the appointees that are rewarded for protecting rich pedophiles and child abusers.
You call those Christian values?
What are you raving about? there is nothing Christian about the capitalist system, in fact it is the anthesis of Christianity, predicated on greed.Quote:
You call those Christian values?
What alternative would you suggest? There is no economic system set forth in the New Testament, and capitalism is the basic system of the OT. So what economic system not based on self profit would you suggest?
So were you saying that when Obama was doubling the national debt during his eight years??Quote:
Like an election. Where we don't squander a strong recovery by adding debts instead of paying them down.
ok I'll wait for the biblical support for state run socialism .Quote:
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I guess I'll wait for the biblical justification for capitalism. This better be good!
Well, you may recall in Acts we are told that the early Christians had everything in common and looked after everyone, so as a New Testament version of a Christian economy is offered but it is not personal property and striving after wealth but a system based on community. I know you would call this communism, but communism is predicated on state ownership, so I'm not suggesting that.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
You see God's economy is based on giving, not accumulation, and this is so foreign to our western ideas that we would not consider it. Your capitalism is based on self, and Christian ideals are not, thus there is a constant pressure not to adopt such ideas
One great feature you have completely neglected to mention. It was based on voluntary giving. Another great neglected feature is that the ownership of the means of production was PRIVATE. Thus, it was capitalism. I completely agree with your call for loving generosity, but capitalism refers to the private ownership of the means of production and has no inherent connection to greed. That is an issue of the human heart. The two are not synonymous. For that matter, the desire for profit is not the same as greed. They are worlds apart.Quote:
Well, you may recall in Acts we are told that the early Christians had everything in common and looked after everyone, so as a New Testament version of a Christian economy is offered but it is not personal property and striving after wealth but a system based on community. I know you would call this communism, but communism is predicated on state ownership, so I'm not suggesting that.
Yeah just as I thought . Freedom is the recurring theme of the bible ,and capitalism is nothing more that the free exchange of goods and services .Capitalism's emphasis of the dignity of the individual makes it more Christian than socialism. When encouraging charity the bible encourages a voluntary act ….not coercion by the state . And make no mistake about it ;socialism's basic tenet is that the state's power is the main source of human rights ;and what the state gives ,the state can take away .
2 Cor 3:17 and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
The free market system is built on Biblical ideals like property rights, reward and incentive .
1 Timothy 5:8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house,he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel
2Thessalonians 3:10For even when we were with you, we used to give you this order: if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either.
Deuteronomy 8:18 But remember the LORD your God, for it is he who gives you the ability to produce wealth, and so confirms his covenant, which he swore to your ancestors, as it is today.
I Corinthians 9:24 Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize? Run in such a way as to get the prize.
2 Corinthians 9:6 But this I say He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.
Capitalism 101, you want a wall on the southern border, then fair market price don't cut it! My land is worth 10 times what you're offering so pay up, or see you in court buddy. Give it up or talk to my lawyer!
Go mess with Arizona or New Mexico, but don't mess with Texas! You been warned you NY a$$hole!
That's the way it goes in AMERICA, free market and all!
Whatever made you think the market is free, you can't just rock up and start flogging your waresQuote:
That's the way it goes in AMERICA, free market and all!
In his testimony Cohen has lashed out at Trump but does not confirm Russia links, I guess it was all for nothing
Nothing like getting sworn testimony from a convicted liar . What did we learn today ? That Trump paid off a porn star to get a NDA . WE knew that already . We'll see if he ges treated fairly under the law because campaign finance violations usually get an administrative slap on the wrist in fines .
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If that's all he did Tom, you could be correct, if he cooked the company books to accomplish his end though, he may have an even greater legal exposure, and it may well be a smaller part of a criminal conspiracy. You never know what Mueller has on that subject, or NY prosecutors, but I cannot imagine that the dufus had all those half slick grifters around him and knew NOTHING.
Repubs hollered liar, despicable immoral and a few other choice attacks on the convicted bad guy Cohen, in short character attacks, but not one had one inquiry into the substance of his allegations or testimony.
Give them time, when Mueller reports they can start another witch hunt and try Trump in the court of public opinion, and we all know what opinions areQuote:
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Originally Posted by tomder55
Trump paid off Daniels because she threatened to go public a few weeks before the election. The payoff is a felony. Trump continued the felonious activity by reimbursing Cohen for the payments he made on Trump's behalf to Daniels while Trump was president.
Since the crime was committed before the election and arguably promoted Trump's election chances, the DOJ rule against indicting a sitting president does not apply - you can't commit a crime to get elected and then claim immunity from prosecution.
Then there's the question of how the payments were recorded. As a campaign expense? Crime! As payment for false invoices? Crime!
It would be good to see Trump's tax returns for answers, but that will take a while yet. By now, everybody knows that Trump invented the audit excuse. It's a matter of proving it.
In what way was paying Daniels to remain quiet a felony? It would have been a violation of campaign finance laws to use campaign donations to pay her off, but that does not seem to have been the case.
Why does the right wing think for one minute that campaign finance law is the only thing the lying cheating dufus has crossed a legal line on? Or is it that you don't want to know? I suspect if your heads exploded after Cohen's testimony, maybe you should just skip the NEXT witnesses.
My question referred to whether paying SD was a felony.
As to Cohen, am I right in thinking he is being sent to prison for, among other things, lying to congress? If you can't see the irony in that, then you just aren't looking hard enough. It just seems like a bad joke come to life.
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Hey I though we didn't do links any more? I guess you're saying that a convicted liar would add more time to his sentence by lying to congress AGAIN? Yeah, right.
He did it once, so we know he is capable of doing it again. He certainly has less credibility than someone with a reputation for truthfulness. At any rate, he could contribute nothing to the increasingly silly idea that the Trump campaign colluded with Russian authorities to try and win the election.Quote:
I guess you're saying that a convicted liar would add more time to his sentence by lying to congress AGAIN? Yeah, right.
The biggest problem here is politics, not criminal behavior.
That's for Mueller's investigation, and the many other prosecutors on the state level to determine and bring charges. Like they already have, as you well know.
It was a nondisclosure agreement . The charge is that he violated campaign finance rules . That is tbd .Quote:
Trump paid off Daniels because she threatened to go public a few weeks before the election. The payoff is a felony
It was hilarious . Cohen reminds me of Saul Goodman .Quote:
Why does the right wing think for one minute that campaign finance law is the only thing the lying cheating dufus has crossed a legal line on? Or is it that you don't want to know? I suspect if your heads exploded after Cohen's testimony, maybe you should just skip the NEXT witnesses.
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we learned the truth yesterday . Cohen has a grudge because he did not get a White House job
Why do you continue to hold these kangaroo courts and star chambers
got me . Chairman Cummings was told going in that the hearing was going to be a travesty .
I like it when congress does it's job instead of becoming utter sycophants like the repubs displayed yesterday, and since the dufus took office.
I wonder if you felt that way when HC was on the block.Quote:
I like it when congress does it's job
Repubs were partisan incompetent idiots who couldn't do a darn thing when they had the majority, let alone govern.
Guess that means you didn't feel that way. Again... politics.Quote:
Repubs were partisan incompetent idiots who couldn't do a darn thing when they had the majority, let alone govern.
You can dismiss repub incompetence as just politics all you want, but it doesn't change the fact of their utter failure. Nor your own failure to understand the nuance between that failure and repub failure now that have made repubs a wholly owned sycophant subsidiary of a lying, cheating, dufus.
SHEEPLE in the biblical sense.
The politics I'm referring to is found in people like you and, honestly, just about everyone. We tend to support politicians who put forward policies we agree with and criticize those who don't. That would explain why you are so hard on Trump but just smiled at Obama. They have both lied and lied repeatedly, but I would feel pretty safe in saying you never referred to Obama as a "lying, cheating, dufus," even though he was that very thing every bit as much as Trump.Quote:
You can dismiss repub incompetence as just politics all you want,
You only wish it were so. Nobody in American history can match the lying the dufus does. He's a natural bar none and its only been 2 years? For sure there is more to come politics aside. Enjoy the show. I am.
Keep believing that if it makes you feel better, but we both know it is not true. When Trump lies about the deaths of 4 brave Americans in order to help secure his election, then get back with me.
I'll see your Benghazi opinion and raise you with the dufus lies about the innocent victims of Vlad, MBS, and Kim.
He was not directly responsible for those people. Obama was. Can't compare the two. You need to try much harder.
Nope, he isn't -- but he IS directly responsible for his own behavior. He has worn out the naughty chair.
No I really don't, because we have very different opinions about the subject. I think it's a slap in a victims face to not hold perpetrators to account and that's exactly what the dufus has done taking the denial of those responsible over those that blame them for their deeds, publicly no less. That's despicable. The bad guys can get the good guys by surprise and that makes for tragedy every time.
So you talk to me when the dufus is as outraged by the murder of his citizens as you are.
As I've said before, I'm not a fan of Trump, but when I see the hatred displayed by so many people who sat silently and approvingly by during the many scandals of the Obama admin, which included the loss of life for which he was directly responsible, it bothers me.
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