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I have backed the wrong horse in an election before. Not even a big deal. I doubt I remain silent because of The Dufus, or YOU thinking I should because FACTS matter. Impeaching The Dufus is because he is a lying cheating CRIMINAL. As the evidence mounts, do you any that he is NOT as I say?
LOL, Yeah there breaking down the doors to get into Russia.Quote:
Vlad gives everyone asylum, he only has to ask.
Reverse migration, it might trend yet, but the cold prevents it, you can't even get the Muslims to migrate there, pity, they haven't worked out that Sweden is as cold as Russia, but in Russia you have to workQuote:
LOL, Yeah the're breaking down the doors to get into Russia.
Any way tal Russia could be a great friend of The US if they both stopped this confrontationalism
Hard not to confront a DICTATOR who suppresses his people, jails and kills his opponents, even the ones abroad, seeks to expand his sphere of influence by military might, and weaponizes the internet to destabilize western democracy. I think he is asking for a confrontation. Your suggestion to leave him be is a parrot of insane blithering by our own homegrown idiot(s).
You are not alone, and that's sad really.
No obviously Trump has the same view because he has seen confrontationalism doesn't work Maybe he proceeds on the assumption that if you can't say anything good don't say anything at all. Putin is a problem for the Russians to solve not America. Trump is a problem for the americans to solve, not Russia. maybe Vlad has the answer, be nice. if the americans stopped interfering maybe Russia would too, Trump knows this
Trump is a Russian agent! What will repubs do now? Even Fox and Friends can't believe what they saw in Helsinki!
Have some perspective Tal Trump is undoing past mistakes, ideologically this hurts those who thought Obama and Clinton were anything but crapQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
https://pjmedia.com/spengler/once-ag...-about-russia/
The Dufus is an incompetent idiot who couldn't undo his own tie without extensive help. But at least you offer some basis for your assertion and I thank you for that. If you had listened carefully you would have heard Putin admit he wanted Dufus to win and he directed his flunkies to help him. Waiting for that to be caught and replayed a few times. Yes Putin has been a target for a long time to be eliminated from the national stage because he is a murderous dictator and has a big dangerous stick. But the real deal perspective is he hopes to regain all the money he has lost, and he just took the Kim playbook and made it so. Yep oldest motive in the world MONEY!
I have to offer Clete, you want world peace and stability? Get rid of the Dictators.
The world has worked long and hard on that one tal, and maybe one day it will be convenient, but you saw what happened with Gaddafi and the aftermath, do we want that again. It didn't work in Syria either. Democracy will eventually give rise to dictators who will do away with democracy and again and again we go through the stages, democracy, republic, empire, autocracy, anarchy, monarchy, democracy, etc, not necessarily in that orderQuote:
I have to offer Clete, you want world peace and stability? Get rid of the Dictators.
The Dufus is propped up by his base of supporters and elected republican sycophants who quake in their boots at the idea of being seen going against him. I bet they are wondering how that base will react to the disgusting performance in Helsinki, and until they do know, they will be silent, but the next few days will be intriguing as he returns home to face the fallout. Meanwhile Mueller has DETAINED another Russian spy, this time on American soil and she has been indicted. A homecoming gift if you will.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/bu...cid=spartanntp
The evidence is mounting.
Who denies interference, but what effect did it have, were the Russians running around the rust belt changing people's minds? Trump's performance was what could be expected, no big agreements, he went into it saying don't expect anything
Yes.Quote:
were the Russians running around the rust belt changing people's minds?
1. Established personal contact with Americans perceived as sympathetic to Moscow;
2. Hacked the Democratic National Committee email servers and then gave the material to WikiLeaks;
3. Amplified the propaganda value of the leaked emails with a disinformation campaign waged predominantly on Facebook and Twitter, in an effort to use automated bots to spread fake news and pro-Trump agitprop;
4. Breached US voting systems in as many as 39 states leading up to the election, in an effort to steal registration data that officials say could be used to target and manipulate voters in future elections.
Evidence mounts Russia meddled in US election - Business Insider
And the question is did this change people's minds
It doesn't matter. Whether it changed minds or not, the Russians assaulted our election system and there should be hell to pay. The stunt in Helsinki pissed off a lot of Dufus sycophants. What they do about it is to be seen, but you should have known no way was The Dufus going to legitimize Mueller or the intel community in public. His whole narrative is it's a witch hunt, biased against him, and a democratic plot. His whole tap dance is about keeping him and his family out of JAIL!
The question you should be asking is what was the deal that the Dufus and Putin agreed to behind closed doors with no witnesses? I suspect we may find out if it changed minds or not later, but for now stay focused on what's going on NOW! Like MORE indictments!
You or nobody else can say if Russian actions changed minds or not at this point, or if influential Americans, or American organizations colluded with them.
As you said it doesn't matter, because reality is that Trump didn't collude with the Russians but if they wanted to discredit him this is the way to do it and they have succeeded is sowing doubt and no doubt it is payback for attempts to destabilise Russia and various other eastern nations. Your days of interference are over, this is the message
You betting on Vlad and The Dufus huh? No surprise there.
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If you want a new world order things have to change otherwise all you have is the old world order and the great game. Maybe shooting uncle Sam is the way to go then you might be able to bring Vlad in from the cold
Read my lips! Screw Vlad! Screw Kim! Summit Season is over!
https://ecp.yusercontent.com/mail?ur...7BhnZBbHPg--~C
Now what is coming in the centre ring, will it be a high flying act or a bit of lion taming, no! Just more clowns
With The Dufus and his sycophants constantly cheering the Russians to find Clintons Emails and lock her up and all the wikleaks love promotion, NO DOUBT minds were changed or influenced. How many we can't know but for sure it played a huge role in key states, coupled with her own shortcomings she lost but not by much. Hardly a mandate from the people to act a blithering idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
As we find out more facts on the extent of Russian meddling, it gets more insidious so the question of did it matter becomes even more stark. You damn skippy it mattered!No doubt minds were changed and poisoned. Be it FOR The Dufus, or AGAINST Hillary.
so we went from hacking ;stealing ,colluding ,to trying to influence . That's what a year and half investigation buys us these days . And the Ruskies changed the outcome of the election by sending a clown car of operatives (dubbed the Illegals )likeQuote:
were the Russians running around the rust belt changing people's minds?target and manipulate
Yes.
1. Established personal contact with Americans perceived as sympathetic to Moscow;
2. Hacked the Democratic National Committee email servers and then gave the material to WikiLeaks;
3. Amplified the propaganda value of the leaked emails with a disinformation campaign waged predominantly on Facebook and Twitter, in an effort to use automated bots to spread fake news and pro-Trump agitprop;
4. Breached US voting systems in as many as 39 states leading up to the election, in an effort to steal registration data that officials say could be used tovoters in future elections.Evidence mounts Russia meddled in US election - Business Insider
Anna Chapman ;who actually registered a burner phone to '99 Fake Street' .We're to believe they ran hacks out of Russian offices in the military and secret service without even attempting to disguise the source or ever the key strokes. They did all this agiprop ;hacking infiltration of voting machines on a shoe string budget . Cozy Bear ,Fuzzy Bear ,Guciffer 2 ,all got into an unprotected DNC server and fed information to Wikileaks .Does this even pass the smell test ? Meanwhile what did US intel do about it ? They infiltrated and investigated the Trump campaign ,got very questionable FISA warrants , hired a former Brit spy with Russian contacts to concoct a salacious and unverified dossier to use to get these warrants . Oh but wait ….. the emperor told Putin to "cut it out " . And what did they get out of the DNC server ? Proof that it was Evita's campaign that was rigging the election against her primary opponent .
So why would the Russians want to interfere in the US election ? Could it be American involvement in the Rose Revolution in Georgia, the Orange Revolution in Ukraine, the Tulip Revolution in Kyrgyzstan ...or maybe the release of the Panama papers during Putin's reelection bid ? I'm not a believer in moral equivalence . But we know that American operatives were on the streets whenViktor Yanukovych was ousted . We know the emperor sent operatives into Israel to try to change the outcome of the Netanyahu win.
Let's assume the Russians really did all this ...are you saying the gullible American yahoos let Russian influence be the deciding factor rather than the growing populist wave that was a reaction to 8 years of the emperor's reign ?
Read the book lest the Dems make the same mistake in 2020 .
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B076YZC99L...ng=UTF8&btkr=1
Everyone is in deniel, it didn't happen, why would it happen, maybe it happened, it didn't happen the way you say it happened, the Russians did it, I was robbed by the Russians. Do you hear yourselves, grow up
don't worry . in the heartland all they see is an almost 5% economic growth . that will be the deciding issue this year ...not that socialist mantle currently being by Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,who really doesn't like socialism as much as a big nanny welfare state funded by capitalism
Let The Dufus's trade war get escalated those farmers in the heartland might need welfare.
Chinese tariffs impact Kansas industries
5%(?) today... gone tomorrow(?)!
Tal don't be negative, many of us would like 5% growth and we know nothing lasts forever. The trade war is a bad idea, a populist idea but China needed to be curbed in the way it operates and convinced that trade shouldn't be one sided. America should be careful not to make an enemy out of China
Any DUFUS besides you and The Dufus knows a trade war and tariffs aren't the way to go. Only another DUFUS would do it not just to China but every trading partner you have? It's stupid, just like his other actions. That's not being negative, but factual.
Didn't I say it was a bad idea, blunt instruments always are. You can't put me in Trump's class, I'm not stupid. You know, Tal, I feel sorry for you, all you can do all day is gripe about Trump.
He is doing what he said he would do, focusing on the folks at home
Yeah, like bringing back the coal jobs, repeal Obamacare, make Mexico pay for the wall, cut taxes (he failed to mention this was mostly for his rich friends), rebuild the infrastructure, and more and more and more making America great again.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
My favorite - "I will take care of women. I have great respect for women". Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha-hahahahhahha.
No Clete, I only gripe about The Dufus HERE. My life is a bit too busy to worry about him since that "big' tax cut has to be spent. HEHEHE! Yes he is focusing on the folks at home lying to his base. The rest of us are on to his BS, and lies.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
In case you haven't seen the movie before;
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0109370/
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Don't forget the popcorn and soda.
Is the best you can do Michael Moore?
Actually No. I thought you would be amused by the parallels but The Dufus has shown an MO of constant public pronouncements designed to distract, and manipulate the news daily to hide his cluelessness and incompetence, and scandalous behavior, either past, present or future.
Thought you knew that already.
You obviously don't know, Trump has a passive mind, that is a person who must react to any thought that comes by. He obviously takes threats by Kim and the ayatollah personally, heaven only knows what he would do if Ahamadjihad or Saddam were still around. Face to face he takes a more reasoned approach so what is needed is for him to meet the ayatollah
Trump, a treasonous bastard if ever there was one, has now politicized security clearances by threatening to pull them from real, honest-to-God patriots like Clapper, Comey., Rice, McCabe, etc.
Their crime? Exercising their First Amendment rights and speaking the truth about Trump. And being associated with Obama - Trump's nemesis.
He even accuses them of "monetizing" their clearances! A truly amazing statement from the one who takes every penny he can from the Treasury by causing his business pals to stay at his hotels and his weekend golf vacations at his golf courses picking up another few hundred thousand every weekend.
Trump has been in a rage for three days now, running the country by mad, fevered tweets. Shameless, ignorant, evil and cruel.
Clapper admitted that he lied in testimony in hearings in front of the Senate Intel Committee. In fact he bragged about it .He was asked directly, “Does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions, or hundreds of millions of Americans?” There was no ambiguity or confusion and Clapper responded, “No, sir. … Not wittingly.” That was a lie and Clapper knew it when he said it. He later said his testimony was the 'least truthful ' statement he could make . Instead of revoking Clapper's security clearance ,the emperor rewarded him by putting him on a panel to review the very program that he had lied about . Roger Clemens was prosecuted for lying to Congress about using steroids . But Clapper got a free pass for lying about domestic surveillance . He should've had his clearance revoked 5 years ago. Comey leaked classified info to the press. He also should get his clearance revoked . I can't speak about Rice or McCabe .
btwIs John Brennan monetizing his security clearance by divulging secrets to the media ? Once he took a gig in the media his credentials should've been revoked .
What a maroon! He is getting fat and rich off the taxpayers and monetizing his presidency for family and friends, and goes after his enemies and that's everybody who says a word against him or gives him a dirty look and people actually go for that crap while he pees on your head.
He's WORSE than NIXON on a bad day!
I don't know what your problem is, it is the American way, and you are complaining about it as if it were illegal. What it is is you are finally getting some of your own medicine and you don't like it, well join the clubQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I misremembered that about Clapper. However, Clapper misremembered a section of the Patriot Act and apologized for it. Roger was the original misrememberer - in fact, he made the word up. Or at least he was the first to use it in public. He was acquitted of lying to Congress, but you're right that he was prosecuted for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Comey didn't really leak classified info to the press. In fact, he was the one who questioned his own determination to make his memos classified. He wasn't sure. The debate about Comey's classified leaking goes on without any conclusive conclusion.Quote:
Comey leaked classified info to the press. He also should get his clearance revoked . I can't speak about Rice or McCabe .
Revoking his clearance for something he probably didn't do is overkill.
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Originally Posted by tomder55
What secrets? You sound like Trump - say nonsense without a scintilla of proof.
Why do they still have security clearances when they are long gone from government? What kind of security is that? What organization ever let’s fired employees keep passes? It would seem to me that security passes should be available on a need for basis with different levels of security granted and revoked depending on that need. It's not just“senior national security and intelligence analyst” for NBCBrennan . There are talking head "intel experts " all over the news media who profit from their time in the services .Michael Hayden is another one
I can understand people fired for cause losing security clearances, like Comey and McCabe, but most still keep theirs for whatever consulting may come up from government officials, during a transition or crisis. Why lose the benefit of those experiences? Big difference to me than putting together an enemies list and punishing them. Like many things he could have handled things in a more mature fashion, but no... he has to bad mouth everybody too.
Of course this is a bigger deal to The Dufus and sycophants than has ever been before in our history. From the looks of things so far in this administration he should take all the help he can get. What a moronic idiot.
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