I stand corrected, but it begs the question of why are there only government issued current pictures? Access denied to the public? I may have posted an inaccurate photo, but do you think the REAL thing is different?
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I stand corrected, but it begs the question of why are there only government issued current pictures? Access denied to the public? I may have posted an inaccurate photo, but do you think the REAL thing is different?
I don't think you want to know what I think, I think you just want to sell the party line
You sell your side and I sell mine so what's your problem?Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
BREAKING NEWS
Scotus upholds the Muslim travel ban 5-4!
As you read of the Supreme Court upholding Trump's racist travel ban, please remember the Republicans STOLE a Supreme Court seat in 2016 and in fact—but for that POLITICAL CRIME—this would've been a 5-4 vote going the other way and upholding rather than abridging American values.
I must point out that despite the big mouth rhetoric from the president this was his third try at making law he is entitled to do as far as immigration and national security, and he kept his yap shut this time as it was argues before SCOTUS. I also point out that this was vastly better written than his first two EO's, and does NOT prohibit Hawaii, or any other state making its case in lower courts.
Long story short it only lifted the injunction against implementing his EO, imposed by the federal court. He wins but was forced to do it in a more precise lawful way. The muzzle obviously came off too! >SIGH<
Yes a win against idiocy, but empiricQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
You would have to think that, but seriously, you need to understand there are a lot of people who don't like you
Maxine Waters .a sitting Rep of Congress called for violence against Trumpers . Her incitment of violence should be met harshly in the House . Pelosi to her credit already suggested Waters should shut her pie hole. (then she blamed it on Trump) .But more is needed . There should be censure hearings in the House ,and a universal across the aisle call for her to resign . Even Schumer gets this one right ,calling Waters call for mob rule “not American.”
Rep. Waters has called for no violence, unlike The Dufus who has done so repeatedly. No outrage against his running his pie hole. His lies and scandals and BREAKING THE LAW are epic.
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Originally Posted by tomder55
Waters called for violence once. And retracted it.
Trump called for violence against his opponents 30-40 times. Not once did he retract it.
Where do you suggest Trump should be met harshly?
I express my dissatisfaction by not voting for him . I do not recall him calling for violence since the election ;but I could be wrong . Suffice it to say odds are I will not vote for him in 2020.
Spoiled for choice, Tom?
2 things ;I oppose too many of his policies ;and I think character matters .
If you are speak of Dump, I agree, however, what is the alternative, the rabid leftists. Your right wing politicians have proven to be particularly bereft of what it takes
Give the man his due, he has achieved some things even if the means aren't what you might hope. he has failed to unify his party, this is his biggest mistake but he may yet usher in a new era of international dialogue
oh yeah he has forced a dialogue alright . My concern is that he will act like a bull in a china shop in the NATO meeting, like he did in the economic meeting in Canada ,and then come up with some meaningless declaration with Putin(like he evidently did with un Kim) which will reinforce this nonsense that he and Putin are working in cahoots .
The bad ripple effects of his inconsistent arguments about tariffs are already affecting the markets . His attacks on American companies trying to compete in the world market ,like Harley Davidson, are insane.
Btw .this Kennedy retirement from SCOTUS is already changing the national debate here . Immigration is yesterdays news . The issue now will be ,can the Dems delay a Trump appointment to SCOTUS before the elections ? Harry Reid did the Repubics a huge favor by going nuclear to appoint district judges . Yertle the Turtle McConnell can now use that precedence to waive filibuster rules for Kennedy's replacement . AND to top it off ,for some Trump voters ,the single deciding issue was that he would get to select constitutionalist judges (ie textualists as opposed to those ridiculous 'living breathing ' jurists ) . This could motivate them to turn out for the mid-term elections .
This has been the repub goal all along, appoint right wing repub judges all over the place and repeal the last 50 years.
not going to happen established law and all that .....except when progressive judges rule that is ;then the equation changes . I want Mike Lee. He is a Senator who has published on Constitutional issues. You guys are safe . Chief Justice Roberts becomes the swing vote ;and he has proven that he is not faithful to "right wing " issues.
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Good for you.
The onus is on the dems to first prove they are a force to be reckoned with in the midterms. They have to do more than holler about the lying cheating Dufus. Heck, EVERYBODY knows that! Even ALL the repubs. That's why they line up behind The Dufus because it was always about POWER, and not personality. The wingers on the right have it, and they know it, and intend to use it while they have it.
Hello 1968... RUN JOE RUN!! Stop the madness!
you see the bind you are in ? All your stars that arent socialists are octaginarians
It begs a question Tom, why? What you are really saying is the republicans lack vision among their younger supporters or maybe you are saying support isn't among the young
I've been saying the Repubics lack vision for years ….at least at the leadership level.
https://scontent.fric1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...a0&oe=5B9E9217
Good picture Tom, and illustrates the real problem which is both party are slaves to the donors. For fact though both parties have their grassroots groups that need money too. I just love those emails asking for a dollar that some unnamed donor will QUADRUPLE match!
I think the NATION WIDE protest over separating families worth note though, and the court order to FIX IT!
https://cbsnews3.cbsistatic.com/hub/...mmigration.jpg
Fitting for an Independence Day holiday celebration.
more mobocracy from the open border ,rule of law be damned crowd .
The protestors are not demanding open borders (no sane person would), but are protesting the terrible evil of separating kids from their parents. Surely you can see that.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
But that battle has been won, does no one tell them these thingsQuote:
Originally Posted by Athos
Have the kids been reunited? NO!
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Originally Posted by paraclete
Where have you been? That battle has NOT been won - the government cannot, or will not, reveal the locations of the children. Over 2,000 children remain separated from their parents and Trump's Administration is doing little or nothing about it.
The horrible possibility looms that some of these kids will never be reunited with their families. All of this tragedy is simply so that Trump can get his wall.
Donald Trump = EVIL, pure and simple. No false equivalence here!
if the goal isn't open borders then what level of enforcement of border control do you find acceptable ? I've never gotten a straight answer when I ask that .In 2008, the Democratic platform called undocumented immigrants “our neighbors.” But it also warned, that “those who enter our country’s borders illegally, and those who employ them, disrespect the rule of the law.” By 2016, such language was gone. The party’s platform described America’s immigration system as a problem, but not illegal immigration itself.
National Party Platforms on Immigration
Why would such Democrat leaders as Kristen Gillibrand be calling for the abolishing of ICE (the enforcement arm of US immigration policy ) if they did not want open borders ?
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Originally Posted by tomder55
To begin with, stop separating families and go back to what was there before Trump changed it. A complete answer to your question is beyond the scope of this website. But we could start with differentiating between economic immigrants and refugees seeking asylum from violence.
All people are our neighbors - documented, undocumented, legal, illegal, whatever. I also believe in law and not to disrespect the law. The immigration system IS a problem, as is illegal immigration. If the party platform said illegal immigration was NOT a problem, then that platform is in error. All sides, proceeding from good will, should be able to hammer out effective laws governing immigration. My main objection is to criticize what Trump has done to the issue because he wants a wall.Quote:
In 2008, the Democratic platform called undocumented immigrants “our neighbors.” But it also warned, that “those who enter our country’s borders illegally, and those who employ them, disrespect the rule of the law.” By 2016, such language was gone. The party’s platform described America’s immigration system as a problem, but not illegal immigration itself.
National Party Platforms on Immigration
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Why would such Democrat leaders as Kristen Gillibrand be calling for the abolishing of ICE (the enforcement arm of US immigration policy ) if they did not want open borders ?
Calling for the abolishment of ICE is NOT calling for the abolishment of enforcing the borders. ICE was created during a semi-hysteric panic after nine-eleven. I agree with Gillibrand that it should be revamped or replaced. The DHS IG has previously criticized it and current behavior of the agency, although anecdotal, leaves a lot to be desired.Quote:
catch and release ? That is not enforcement .Quote:
go back to what was there before Trump changed it.
We could start with not letting them in before that determination is made . The immigration law is not the problem . The problem is the breaking of the law and about half the country not having a problem with that .Quote:
But we could start with differentiating between economic immigrants and refugees seeking asylum from violence.
Catch and release is a LIE you guys exaggerate to scare the racist wingers into believing differen than yourselves women and children and men from the south are a serious threat to their women and children and yes their CULTURE. That's why you conflate a MISDEMEANOR infraction with a CRISIS invasion. Your right, MOST of us don't see this as the DANGEROUS problem you try to make it be.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch_..._(immigration)
Jump to searchIt's called DUE PROCESS which under the constitution is to be applied to all on our soil equally and fairly, like all those Cubans. So YOU are saying WE should break the precious laws so YOU can feel better? Come on Tom, clean your glasses and see the truth!Quote:
In United States immigration enforcement, "catch and release" refers to a practice of releasing an immigrant to the community while he or she awaits hearings in immigration court, as an alternative to holding them in immigration detention.[1][2] The migrants whom U.S. immigration enforcement agencies have allowed to remain in the community pending immigrant hearings have been those deemed low risk,[3] such as children, families, and those seeking asylum.[4]
How niaive you are, the illegal immigrant has achieved their objective, they are in the community, they couldn't hope for more
yes once they cross the border they have acheived breaching the gates of Vienna.
Mueller to Trump’s associates: “Lie about Trump or we’ll bankrupt you with legal fees.”
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This is low, even for you, tomder.
the truth hurts ? Why do you think Flynn did the plea ? Because Mueller was bankrupting him AND threatening charges against Flynn's son . THAT is how low it can go.
http://thehill.com/opinion/white-hou...a-mueller-deal
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/m...l-costs-report
Why do you think Cohen made his recent decision to cooperate ?
http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...s-trump-to-pay
What if they are just guilty? What if the lying Cheating loudmouth Dufus is guilty of something too? Who pleads to lesser charges because they are GOING broke from legal fees. Why don't they just get a cheap lawyer and plead NOT GUILTY and let the prosecutor prove they are?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
oh you mean like the public defender in 'My Cousin Vinny 'Quote:
Why don't they just get a cheap lawyer and plead NOT GUILTY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSw9_bsTzkU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9RwTqFIKZU
Which lying dufus might that be, tal, there has been a long line of them and I expect you have folloed some of them
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