Come now Tom, after deficit funded tax cuts, to unleash the economic growth, why are repubs scuffling with raising taxes on some things as a way to pay for infrastructure in the first place? Why haven't they made the case that the tax cuts would pay for that too? They haven't because they know that's as much of a lie as the tax cuts will pay for themselves. I get you guys want to starve the beast of big government, and let the states run their own show, but all you have done is redirected the collective wealth from the many to few, and left states with LESS money to operate. Lets not forget that also on the credit card is increased military spending, and so far no accounting for any of it.

Now you may love the ultra capitalists approach to modern America, run by the elite class, and their bought and paid for sycophants, but I would much prefer a more disciplined approach where people actually elect their servants to represent THEM, and solve their issues. On that subject why hasn't the ruling elites for all their money lobbied for an infrastructure bill, or reasonable protections for citizens to live free of being murdered by criminals and homicidal loonies?

They are drunk on the success of their own interests which is MO' Money. That what we get when we have rich guys as the President. Lying, cheating, stealing, and a lot of selfish self serving dumb stuff. The Dufus was corrupt before he became the president, and repubs didn't care then, and don't care now. You love it when his scandals, and name calling, and lies, grace your TV set don't you?

as I already demonstrated in my previous comment ,those "elected servants " are either the plunderers ;or are such poor managers as to not be trusted . Why is it that EVERY "trust" fund in the Federal Government is a within a decade of insolvency ? Their only answer to any of this is to print more debt . It doesn't matter what level of taxation we are at ,they still manage to spend more than the revenue . So tell me why I shouldn't take the position that we should starve the beast ?

Because the people are the beast you seek to starve, and just to take a different perspective being solvent for almost a decade during such a time of aging populations and increased retirements, a decade of solvency is not that bad, and lawmakers should get to work while they have time to work on it and deal with the debt.

You may want to drown it in a bath tub, but adding debts to your kids and kicking your elders to the curb doesn't sound like a workable plan to me, but self enrichment and power are some helluva motivations to bow to the capitalists oligarchs who don't give a damn about how YOU will survive. So while you rail against big gov, maybe draining the swamp against the corruptors would be nice. The Dufus promised that, and has yet to deliver, as he tries to consolidate his power, illegally and blatantly stupidly I might add.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by talaniman

Because the people are the beast you seek to starve, and just to take a different perspective being solvent for almost a decade during such a time of aging populations and increased retirements, a decade of solvency is not that bad, and lawmakers should get to work while they have time to work on it and deal with the debt.

You may want to drown it in a bath tub, but adding debts to your kids and kicking your elders to the curb doesn't sound like a workable plan to me, but self enrichment and power are some helluva motivations to bow to the capitalists oligarchs who don't give a damn about how YOU will survive. So while you rail against big gov, maybe draining the swamp against the corruptors would be nice. The Dufus promised that, and has yet to deliver, as he tries to consolidate his power, illegally and blatantly stupidly I might add.

---

Don't worry Tal they will soon put inflation back on the agenda and you will be able to add some more zeros to how things are measured and a trillion will only seem like a billion and in a generation it will seem like nothing, just as those WWII debts are nothing today

Tal ,if the new generation of Americans started a revolted and kicked our generation to the curb ,I would not blame them . We are the ones that maxed out the nation's credit cards . Don't blame corporations. We are the ones who send reps back at 90% incumbency rate .

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by tomder55

Tal ,if the new generation of Americans started a revolted and kicked our generation to the curb ,I would not blame them . We are the ones that maxed out the nation's credit cards . Don't blame corporations. We are the ones who send reps back at 90% incumbency rate .

---

Yes no doubt you need a retirement plan for politicians, term limits would seem a good idea, since you have a four year presidential cycle and a two year electoral cycle, four years would seem good and one term in the Senate, you would see some things get done then

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by tomder55

Tal ,if the new generation of Americans started a revolted and kicked our generation to the curb ,I would not blame them . We are the ones that maxed out the nation's credit cards . Don't blame corporations. We are the ones who send reps back at 90% incumbency rate .

---

They will get a chance to get started this fall imposing their own term limit on some incumbents.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by talaniman

They will get a chance to get started this fall imposing their own term limit on some incumbents.

---

I've heard the ballot box sometimes works, barring gerrymander and vote stuffing

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by paraclete

I've heard the ballot box sometimes works, barring gerrymander and vote stuffing

---

Or the latest version of voter suppression tactics.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by talaniman

Or the latest version of voter suppression tactics.

---

Now Tal don't be racist, give those black people their own polling stations, the votes can get lost later, wink, wink

Quote:

---

They will get a chance to get started this fall imposing their own term limit on some incumbents.

---

Yeah I see with the Penn. special election in district 18 what the Dem game plan is going to be .... a repeat of 2006 ;the running of the blue dog Democrats who position themselves as moderate conservatives. But can they find enough 'blue dogs ' now that they have been effectively purged from the party ? BTW ,Connor Lamb practically ran on the Trump agenda.and he "clings to his guns ".

He also supports a woman's right to chose her own medical care, including abortion, as well as Obamacare, and background checks for guns, so he doesn't cling to his gun that tightly. Also he blasts the tax cuts as a giveaway to the rich, and that's the GOP signature issue, and thus far most significant accomplishment.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/13/polit...ues/index.html

Here is an example of state of the art infrastructure :https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...people-n857011

Tragically they had a few flaws with the new stuff, but we know the old stuff could go just as tragically as well.

It seems like a bad case of it can't fall because nothing is holding it, very sad but better it didn't happen with pedestrian traffic

The Repubic controlled Congress is going to pass a massive "omnibus " bill that is a progressives wet dream.

Rather than spending the weeks leading up to the budget deadline outlining their vision for the country regarding spending priorities and policies, the GOP used the time to promote the possibility of including a number of Democratic priorities. This will most likely be the last major bill the current Congress passes before America goes to the polls in November and votes the scoundrels out who violated their pledge to America in 2010 when they captured the House in the tea party revolution .

They couldn't find enough Democrat priorities to shove into this

2,232-page package

(which law makers had less than 17 hrs to read ) . The Schmuckster is crowing today that the 'age of austerity is over ' as if reducing the rate of increase of the government is 'austerity ' . Actually herr Donald wanted to triple DACA amnesty and have that funded also ;but the Dems want to keep that issue alive for the campaign.
In exchange herr Donald doesn't even get the funding on the wall he requested . Instead addition spending is given to sanctuary cities !! It also funds PP ,something every Repubic ran against !!!! So Trump doesn't get the infrastructure ear mark program he requests ;but the Schuckster gets his earmark 'Gateway ' project that would build a' big dig ' like tunnel under the Hudson river ...............
$30 to $60 billion to the insurance companies for rate stabilization which is propping up much of the Obamacare regulatory burden The sad part is now not only will liberal priorities be shoved down out throats again ..... But the Congressional Repubics and herr Donald will be holding the ram rod.

You ask why I remain a never -Trumper ? There you have it . The Trump cheerleaders got betrayed today (assuming he will sign this porkulus 3.0)

Is this a bill hanging over from the Obama era and Dump is just too lazy to change it? You have got to wonder who is in charge, it doesn't sound like the art of the deal, or maybe it does

Nope it's an omnibus bill to fund the government until Sept. 3rd. Which is the end of the fiscal year.

https://www.npr.org/2018/03/21/59551...deadline-looms

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.9cb901458e45

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by talaniman

Nope it's an omnibus bill to fund the government until Sept. 3rd. Which is the end of the fiscal year.

https://www.npr.org/2018/03/21/59551...deadline-looms

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.9cb901458e45

---

Yes but there is new spending in it. Just kicking the can down the road solves nothing. What will Dump do when he becomes a lame duck?

Spending begins in the House of Representatives before it goes to the Senate, and with so many differing factions left, right, and middle, small increments are all that can be achieved. The Dufus has a budget suggestion, but no one is bound to it, and with the current alignment of the congress you need a compromise to get business done. It's just a procedural and political reality.

That may change in November, or it may not. Stocked up on a bunch of buttery garlic crackers, and some great gourmet cheeses for the ongoing political circus Clete, and the March Madness Tournaments, and Baseball season beginning, thanks for the great suggestion.

I've said it for years ;it doesn't matter what party label a New York politician wears . They are all in the end just big government statists . herr Donald had a pang of conscious today because he heard the backlash . But in the end ;it was his supporters he threw under the bus. IF Evita had won ,the Repubics would've grown a backbone and voted against such budget busting spending . herr Donald is the best thing that has happened to the Dems .You want to talk collusion ? There it is .He's a Manchurian Democrat ;a Trojan horse .

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by tomder55

I've said it for years ;it doesn't matter what party label a New York politician wears . They are all in the end just big government statists . herr Donald had a pang of conscious today because he heard the backlash . But in the end ;it was his supporters he threw under the bus. IF Evita had won ,the Repubics would've grown a backbone and voted against such budget busting spending . herr Donald is the best thing that has happened to the Dems .You want to talk collusion ? There it is .He's a Manchurian Democrat ;a Trojan horse .

---

Now didn't I say that before he was elected, he was in the race to have Dilliary elected and became the accidental President

The blowhard just wanted to make a soundbite that covered his arse with his base. This deal has been negotiated for the longest since the last shutdown threat, and it was obvious for one side to pass it, they would have to give the other side more than just crumbs, or lip service. Everybody knew what was coming and what would be required.

LOL, repubs better get use to compromising, because it is the SILLY SEASON of elections and taking votes on anything will have plenty of TV ads run against them.

Actually he looked like a big DUFUS reading the talking points about ships and planes and military stuff. Laughed my a$$ of when he touted the F35, and blustered how he "would NEVER sign another bill like this again!" What a maroon. He has always been a lying, cheating, bullying, moron, and it's shameful that people actually look to him to have something to feel good about themselves to make their America great again.

I was a never Trumpper way back in the day and it didn't matter what party he ran with. Thank the stars he chose to be a Republican.

nope party leaders Schmuckster ,Madam Mim ,Yertle the Turtle and Eddie Munster met behind closed doors to finalize the bill. There was less than 2 days to read it . This wasn't compromise it was 'ram it down our throats . We have to get back to normal budgeting where dept. by dept. is considered separately . herr Donald was doing CYA . This monstrosity bill was based on the budget he proposed. He can't escape that . It's like if the emperor said he would never sign porkulus again . Too late ! The damage is done.

Oh yeah that's a recipe for disaster letting repub run committee's vote their agendas through. No way would the dems go for that. Half of them wouldn't know what they were reading anyway and was it a coincidence the last day to keep the government open was the weekend the congress was planning its color Easter eggs and chase chocolate bunnies spring extravaganza?

I don't think so. Your right though it's signed, sealed, and delivered, so let's get on with the clown show. Take me out to the ballgame!

The debt is up over a $ trillion... the Dow is down. Maybe Repubics holding hands with Dems isn’t such a great idea. Most of the Rep class of 2010 ran because they thought the emperor's adding $800 billion in deficit spending was bad for the country . They may as well be wearing Donkey tee shirts .

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by tomder55

The debt is up over a $ trillion... the Dow is down. Maybe Repubics holding hands with Dems isn’t such a great idea. Most of the Rep class of 2010 ran because they thought the emperor's adding $800 billion in deficit spending was bad for the country . They may as well be wearing Donkey tee shirts .

---

You would rather have a government shutdown?

Maybe my perspective is a bit different. There was no economic catastrophes when The Dufus took the WH. No secret war spending going on. Just a repub congress waiting for a repub to sign the agenda. So if things became whack on Dufus's watch, then he owns it, and he has said he loves the chaos. Fine, repubs got what they paid for, and are getting paid with those tax cuts. That was after failing to get anything else done. I can't wait for repubs to go home to see how well they took care of their constituents. Especially in November when those bonuses get spent and that 40/50/60 bucks of tax cuts goes toward those heating bills and groceries.

You may as well save your disappointments and reservations until REALITY settles in. All you need is a few layoffs and the price of a dollar to tick up to finally realize the Trump economy was no better than the Bush economy...in many ways it's worse, but the sugar high that The Dufus rode in on, is about to come crashing down.

Maybe The Dufus gets his line item veto, or convinces Moron Mitch to ditch the filibuster(Hardey Har Har!!). He better get something because Nancy is chomping at the bit to roll this lying, cheating, bully. Think he is watching the Gun Reform March?

Quote:

---

There was no economic catastrophes when The Dufus took the WH.

---

except an almost decade long stagnation that the Dems called 'the new normal'.

Quote:

---

No secret war spending going on.

---

You can't be serious . When the emperor left office our troops were engaged in conflicts in 7 different nations (Syria ;Iraq ;Afghanistan ,Yemen ,Somalia ,Pakistan)

Quote:

---

Maybe The Dufus gets his line item veto

---

unconstitutional ;can't happen without and amendment

Quote:

---

convinces Moron Mitch to ditch the filibuster

---

That's what Reid did when it suited him

Quote:

---

He better get something because Nancy is chomping at the bit to roll this lying, cheating, bully.

---

That's all the Dems have is this fantasy that they will impeach .

Quote:

---

Think he is watching the Gun Reform March?

---

Nahhh he is @ Mara Largo today .He worked very hard signing that p.o.s. spending bill . This march will be the last gasp of this anti-gun movement . The only reason it has lasted this long is because the advocate adults have been egging the students on. It's sorta like the 'Children's Crusades ' . Some adult thought it was a good idea when some kids said they could do a better job than the adults fighting jihadistan. So the adults dressed the kids up as warriors and paid for their passage into the war zone. As you know ,that did not turn out well. I guess marching in DC where there are about 125-150 homicides annually ;roughly half of them under 19 . But I suggest if they really want to make a statement they should head of north about an hour and have their march in Baltimore where there was 343 murderers last year . Or maybe the Patriots could lend them their jet again to fly to Chi-town where there has been 3,000 shootings this year alone. Parkland as bad as it was is a one off event . The children of Chicago live the threat every day .

There was no economic catastrophes when The Dufus took the WH.

except an almost decade long stagnation that the Dems called 'the new normal'.

Naw, that was Big BIZ holding the line on wages while they got PHAT with loot. Still they hollered about their taxes were too high, and got a deficit funded tax cut, which they immediately bought off the board and stock shares and that for them was NORMAL...Duh! I guess you missed the recession where millions of people got wiped out and have yet to recover. I know you hate regulation but wage stagnation cannot be cured with congress and repubs would NEVER raise the minimum wage, though many states have and more to follow.

No secret war spending going on.

You can't be serious . When the emperor left office our troops were engaged in conflicts in 7 different nations (Syria ;Iraq ;Afghanistan ,Yemen ,Somalia ,Pakistan)

All in the budget, check it out. The first thing Obama did was put the costs of wars back on the books after GWB hiss them with CR's

Maybe The Dufus gets his line item veto

unconstitutional ;can't happen without and amendment

That's why he is a DUFUS! Or he was just blowing smoke up his bases a$$...again.

convinces Moron Mitch to ditch the filibuster

That's what Reid did when it suited him

Oh how Repubs cried, but fact is it was limited and targeted and still used by repubs to this day. Poor Pence has to stick around to break ties in the senate to confirm The Dufus's cabinet and judicial nominees.

He better get something because Nancy is chomping at the bit to roll this lying, cheating, bully.

That's all the Dems have is this fantasy that they will impeach .

STEP RIGHT UP AND PLACE YOUR BETS!

Think he is watching the Gun Reform March?

Nahhh he is @ Mara Largo today .He worked very hard signing that p.o.s. spending bill .

That's all repubs wanted him to do sign his name but he won't shut up. Things would be easier if he did that! Likely his work is done until after the election unless they can't get a simple CR in September. I will have to comment on the rest of your paragraph at a later time. Chicago was HOME for me. Obviously I disagree with both your premise and conclusion.

On the march though, man those were some smart articulate young people and likely are driving the Dufus NUTS since the crowd was bigger than his inaugural address. Of course FOX News probably didn't cover it.

wouldn't know . It's been a long time since I wasted time watching news programs of any ilk. And the only radio show worth listening to is John Batchelor Show

[QUOTE=talaniman;3813799]

Quote:

---

There was no economic catastrophes when The Dufus took the WH.

No secret war spending going on.

---

How do you know? it's a secret

Quote:

---

You can't be serious . When the emperor left office our troops were engaged in conflicts in 7 different nations (Syria ;Iraq ;Afghanistan ,Yemen ,Somalia ,Pakistan)

---

and you are still engaged in these wars and what about Africa?

Quote:

---

unconstitutional ;can't happen without and amendment

---

Quote:

---

That's why he is a DUFUS! Or he was just blowing smoke up his bases a$$...again.

convinces Moron Mitch to ditch the filibuster

---

The poli's won't ditch the filibuster, they hate free speech and love denying others the right to say something

.

Quote:

---

Think he is watching the Gun Reform March?

---

No that sort of people power is not what Dump is about

Quote:

---

Nahhh he is @ Mara Largo today .He worked very hard signing that p.o.s. spending bill .

---

Quote:

---

---

Quote:

---

---

Yes Dump's impression of working hard, signing his name in big letters and tweeting

Quote:

---

and you are still engaged in these wars and what about Africa?

---

Somalia isn't in Africa ? News to me .

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by tomder55

Somalia isn't in Africa ? News to me .

---

Actually I was referring to West Africa, but yes that hole is in Africa. Your government and my government have people running around Africa, whether this is of benefit is unclear

We wouldn't be there without invitation or consent of the government, mostly helping with rebels and terrorists.

don't mind Clete . His nation is wrestling over the issue if they should take in South African refugees who are going to be expelled ala Rhodesia aka Zimbabwe style by the majority government .

rapper Cardi B chimes in on the tax policy of the country . She wants to know what the government is doing with her money .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcJhHo1cFgc

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by tomder55

don't mind Clete . His nation is wrestling over the issue if they should take in South African refugees who are going to be expelled ala Rhodesia aka Zimbabwe style by the majority government .

---

Actually Tom we are not wrestling over whether to take in White South Africans, they would be more compatible than migrants from the middle east, personally I think we should issue an open invitation to white people displaced on the african continent. We certainly don't need any more trouble-making Somali's or Sudanese.

Tom you know as well as I do a majority government pursues policies favourable to their majority constituents

Mugabe starved his whole population with such policies .

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by tomder55

Mugabe starved his whole population with such policies .

---

Yes well Africa has seen off two corrupt leaders recently and we could hope for better outcomes, but the day of the white man of Africa is over, the fact that they have been there for hundreds of years has not been respected

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by paraclete

Actually Tom we are not wrestling over whether to take in White South Africans, they would be more compatible than migrants from the middle east, personally I think we should issue an open invitation to white people displaced on the african continent. We certainly don't need any more trouble-making Somali's or Sudanese.

Tom you know as well as I do a majority government pursues policies favourable to their majority constituents

---

No surprise you would assume displaced white people are great people and the darker skinned displaced people are NOT. Part of your obvious M.O.