All leftism is based in constructing factional conflict in society so that they can take power by "saving us" from it.
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All leftism is based in constructing factional conflict in society so that they can take power by "saving us" from it.
Not quite right tom, leftists actually believe we can be saved from ourselves, while rightist believe we should be ruled over by an eliteQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Not quite right Clete ; the lefts believe that the state can save humans from themselves while conservatives believe that humans are flawed including the ones that rule . James Madison stated the conservative view better than I can;
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“But what is government itself, but the greatest of all reflections on human nature. If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In forming a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself.”
—James Madison, The Federalist No. 51
Is that conservatism, or just common sense checks and balances and OVERSIGHT? Maybe the problem is not enough common sense conservatives, and too many right wing left hating loonies.
The left has been eroding checks and balances written into the Constitution for over 100 years . They say they are reforming and improving the existing society's imperfections and weaknesses without imperiling its basic nature. Ideas like the emperor's transformation of America is deemed innocuous, well intentioned, constructive ,but not a dangerous trespass on fundamental liberties. They strip humans of individuality and assign us to groups based on race, ethnicity, age, gender, income, etc..
It's very Hobbesian . ....create a Leviathan government run by people who know what's best for us. Human nature can't be trusted but the nature of a rulers can be trusted. They don't see that their utopia is in fact a tyranny.
Well said my consummate capitalist friend. Why can't elected officials follow the people's will and not that of the oligarchs you so admire? What you thought your reps write the law?
Oligarchy from the Greek word oligarkhes means "few governing."
If you recall I'm the one who supported the tea party movement to oust the beltway lifers .I'm the one who favors term limits for every branch of the government. Please don't talk to me about supporting oligarchs when the Dems stay in office until they are literally corpses .Madame Mim drools all over herself and is completely incoherent and is still the minority leader in the House .
But let's assume you are talking about supporting an oligarchy outside the government that controls the politicians . Then you must be talking about supporters of the Clintoon crime family .For decades, the Clintons have built their family political enterprise on contributions from the global ultra-rich; between their campaigns and the foundations the couple has raised $3 billion .
Besides the established Wall Street firms the family tapped into the next generation of financial oligarchs ;the tech industry .Virtually all the leading tech titans—Google’s Eric Schmidt, Facebook’s Sheryl Sandberg, venture capitalist John Doerr, Qualcomm founder Irwin Jacobs, Box CEO Aaron Levie, and Tesla founder Elon Musk embraced Clinton and gave generously ,not only to Evita's campaign ,but also to their "foundation " aka money laundering service .Trump did not get any such support during the campaign.
And when you talk of putting the fix on the campaign ;who did more to undermine democracy than Evita and her cronies in the DNC when they knee-capped Bolshevik Bernie ?
So now you're crying because dems have MORE oligarchs? Really? You don't think its really strange that Hillary has been investigated for decades, and The Dufus for a year, and who's hollering the loudest? You b1tch for Bernie, and Bernie ain't said sh1t. The Tea Party didn't win, guess who did? Conservatives are a minority in there own party, guess who runs things?
Nope you can't blame the libs for any of this since YO" BOY runs it now, so own it and be happy. All I can do is eat popcorn and throw darts at The Dufus! I'm cool with that. Plus it's my turn.
8D
not 'my boy ' I'm still a never Trumper . 2020 I'll still waste my vote on someone with no chance. That means it won't be the Dem either because they are making the fatal mistake that the Dems made when they chose McGovern as the nominee .
A very flawed argument Tom but I would expect you to revert to eighteenth century thinking, these fellows were only enlightened in their own eyes, they created a flawed system which two hundred years on has given rise to a government that is ungovernableQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
It's just the longest living democracy in the history of the world . Of course it is flawed because humans are flawed .That was Madison's point.“Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others.”(Churchill)
Aw Clete, every nation has a history of setbacks, reversals, delays, and challenges. Such a dim view of the TOP dog just means you ain't sh1t. Was that your point?
That itself is flawed thinking . I guess the thinking of Plato and Socrates should also be dismissed as irrelevant . How about Jesus ? His thinking was so 1st century AD .Quote:
but I would expect you to revert to eighteenth century thinking,
Tal my point is isn't it time you tweeked the system a little.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Tom, other systems of government have lasted longer, and work quite well, and of course it depends upon your definition of democracy. If your system is set in stone just so it can survive, it will eventually degenerate, the republic will give way to the empire, the demogoges will rule and you will have nothing, Look at Italy, full of ancient monuments and political turmoilQuote:
It's just the longest living democracy in the history of the world . Of course it is flawed because humans are flawed .That was Madison's point.“Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others.”
(Churchill)
the genius of our founders is they put in a process to change within the system. It's been done 26 times . It should be done more often .
the genius of our founders is they put in a process to change within the system. It's been done 26 times . It should be done more often .
The Dufus just got a new lawyer, and National Security Advisor. That's some dumba$$ tweaks to an already Wacked House.
>GROAN<
Dump is wearing them out quickly, he probably does their head in, they think they know what policy is and he changes it, which way is the wind blowing today?
He hasn't mentioned Kim since they agreed to meet, he seems to be taking aim at China, leaving Vlad to consolidate his hold.
That was his excuse for firing McMaster and hiring Bolton to get his negotiating team together for talks with Kim.
John Bolton joins Trump's team -- Here's how he could advocate on North Korea, China, Russia and more | Fox News
Let the Dufus be a Dufus.
I have no problem with the foreign policy team of Bolton ,Pompeo , Nilkki Haley . But I find it interesting that he ran as a non-interventionist and they hardly fit the bill .
You didn't drink the koolaid, did you?
Yesterday Comey interview got 9.5 million viewers. Stormy Daniels had 9.8 million. Roseanne had 17 million. The IG report is out and it exposes the Comey FBI for the fraud it was .
The central premise of Comey’s whiney diatribe in book form is that Trump is ‘morally unfit’ to be President. Conceding that point ;what is the basis for the endless investigation except for a Javert like obsession with removing a President he thinks lack the moral authority for the job ?
Not so fast Tom. You can say McCabe and Comey are slobs all you want, but Trump is still surrounded by crooks and criminals on an international scale, and always has been. So how could he NOT be one too? Now they are lighting a fire under Cohen's butt.
This is very much a storm in a tea cup. Comey wants to get in some licks because Trump fired him and he is succeeding
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Originally Posted by paraclete
He is a private citizen as entitled to his opinion as anyone, and lets face it the lying cheating bully of a president has been very vocal against anyone he feels threatened by. Good for the goose. I'm no Comey fan since he mistakenly decided on his own to clear Clinton of any wrong doing, instead of punting the judgement back to the DOJ, and making Lynch recuse herself and the next in line render what the next step would be.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
I can't believe the right hollers about how long the Mueller investigation is taking when Clinton has been investigated repeatedly in all aspects of her life for DECADES. Surely we can recognize this double standard and the free pass repubs have given their own. Now we have the scrutiny of Trumps FIXER Cohen and that promises to be a long process as already Sean Hannity was named as a client, yet Hannity claims he never was.
We also have UN Haley announcing further sanctions on Russia and wake up to The Dufus nixing that the next day. This is after slow walking the congressional sanctions for a year and hasn't fully implemented them even. Yeah I want to know what's up with this Dufus dude.
You can't make this stuff up.
lol you call a couple of Congressional hearings ,and a friendly justice dept. rubber stamp clearing her of things anyone else would've been frog marched for, being "investigated" ?
You see how widespread and deep the swamp goes when you see who the judge is in the Michael Cohen matter . Kimba Wood . Does the name ring a bell ? She was in line to be Bubba's AG before he got cold feet because she had hired an illegal alien as a nanny . The difference was that his previous choice Zoe Baird had done it against the law while Wood had done it within acceptable legal requirements .Still it indicates that another judge with conflicts of interest ,as a crony of the Clintoon's has been appointed to make determinations regarding the Trump case. Not surprising ,she ruled against Cohen's TRO AND forced him to further violate the Attorney -client privilege by forcing him to reveal that Hannity was a client who also had records seized in the raid on his office.
Oh yeah ;as a side note ;Kimba Wood presided over George Soros'wedding . Yup the swamp is wide and deep.
The AG report proves that before there was lying Andrew McCabe, there was Mark Felt. Or, as he is better known, “Deep Throat". Both leaked information about an FBI investigation that was under way. Both did so for the sake of their own careers,
Clinton is still being investigated... feel better now? As to Woods ruling, the motion by Cohens lawyer was ridicules, given they had a warrant going through DOJ and signed by a judge proving probable cause to the likelihood the slime ball would get rid of the files about his Dufus client. Come on they wanted to review their own stuff and judge what was client attorney privileged. They also allege he wasn't acting as a lawyer, but a business man. Sure hope he didn't LIE about that Prague trip.
What is the point of an investigation that never ends? Either there is evidence for an indictment or there is not
It took years before they nailed Nixon, and years before they nailed Clinton, and years before they got the big crime bosses, and as of now they have already gotten a few smaller, but very important fish in the net, so why quit until they get the rest?
Yes but this is an investigation that goes nowhere
What about the criminals it's already uncovered in Trumps orbit?
gee the FBI seized everything in his office ,house ,and temporary hotel residence on the slim possibility that he might destroy docs . Meanwhile they stood by while Evita destroyed thousands of docs (bleachbit) ,and smashed her's and her associates blackberry . Then Comey claimed there was "no intent " to commit a crime and recommended no prosecution.
Do you not see the double standard here ?
The Watergate break in was June 1972 Nixon's resignation was Aug 8 1974 . So from start to finish including investigations by special prosecutors ,several convictions of top Nixon aides ,and a Supreme Court decision for Nixon to turn over taped evidence ,that later revealed a smoking gun tape that Nixon had conspired with Halderman to cover up the investigation ;Congressional hearings and impeachment hearings was a little over 2 years . This Trump investigation is still a fishing expedition . Now that they can't find any evidence of collusion they are using the pretext of a sordid one nighter Trump had with a porn star to seize the files of his lawyer in an effort to find other fish to pursue.
They haven't stopped trying to get Hillary, and I doubt they stop trying to get the Dufus either. Nor should they!
Trump is probably guilty of some misdeeds ;perhaps criminal ,as a businessman. But that is not what this witch hunt is about .They may stumble upon some crimes as they continue to cast large nets hoping to find something to justify the budget they gave to Inspector Javert . In Evita's case she has a history of private and public criminal activity going on since at least 1978 when she made a killing in the Chicago commodities market on insider trading . She has been in the cover-up games at least since Whitewater and the missing billing records of the law firm . She has illegally surveilled her political opponents since the days that FBI files of her opponents were found in her White House office . She and Bubba traded bribes for pardons with the likes of Marc Rich .She took illegal foreign campaign contributions at least that I know of since her Senate run. And all this predates her time as Sec State and the Clinton Foundation where the big bucks started coming in. The difference is that everyone knows what she had done ;and no one has stepped up to the plate to make her accountable .
Repubs control the whole government. Why are they not casting their own wide net and put the woman in jail? Come on, you can't keep hollering foul after slinging mud for decades. Now back to the current DIC (Dufus In Chief)!
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/19/rudy...ler-probe.html
Rudy to the Rescue...Quote:
"I'm doing it because I hope we can negotiate an end to this for the good of the country and because I have high regard for the president and for Bob Mueller," Giuliani told The Washington Post.
I smell desperation in the air ....https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/20/demo...on-report.html
All I have to say is ....discovery is a beetch .
no that aint all . The DNC is suing because the Trump campaign tried to swing the election in Trump's favor . Isn't that what campaigns are supposed to do ?
Press Releases
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Washington, April 19, 2018
Washington, D.C. – Today House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence Chairman Devin Nunes (R-Ca.), House Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.), and House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.) issued the following statement:"We have long argued former Director Comey's self-styled memos should be in the public domain, subject to any classification redactions. These memos are significant for both what is in them and what is not.
Former Director Comey's memos show the President made clear he wanted allegations of collusion, coordination, and conspiracy between his campaign and Russia fully investigated. The memos also made clear the ‘cloud’ President Trump wanted lifted was not the Russian interference in the 2016 election cloud, rather it was the salacious, unsubstantiated allegations related to personal conduct leveled in the dossier.
The memos also show former Director Comey never wrote that he felt obstructed or threatened. While former Director Comey went to great lengths to set dining room scenes, discuss height requirements, describe the multiple times he felt complimented, and myriad other extraneous facts, he never once mentioned the most relevant fact of all, which was whether he felt obstructed in his investigation.
The memos also make certain what has become increasingly clear of late: former Director Comey has at least two different standards in his interactions with others. He chose not to memorialize conversations with President Obama, Attorney General Lynch, Secretary Clinton, Andrew McCabe or others, but he immediately began to memorialize conversations with President Trump. It is significant former Director Comey made no effort to memorialize conversations with former Attorney General Lynch despite concerns apparently significant enough to warrant his unprecedented appropriation of the charging decision away from her and the Department of Justice in July of 2016.
These memos also lay bare the notion that former Director Comey is not motivated by animus. He was willing to work for someone he deemed morally unsuited for office, capable of lying, requiring of personal loyalty, worthy of impeachment, and sharing the traits of a mob boss. Former Director Comey was willing to overlook all of the aforementioned characteristics in order to keep his job. In his eyes, the real crime was his own firing.
The memos show Comey was blind to biases within the FBI and had terrible judgment with respect to his deputy Andrew McCabe. On multiple occasions he, in his own words, defended the character of McCabe after President Trump questioned McCabe.
Finally, former Director Comey leaked at least one of these memos for the stated purpose of spurring the appointment of Special Counsel, yet he took no steps to spur the appointment of Special Counsel when he had significant concerns about the objectivity of the Department of Justice under Attorney General Loretta Lynch.
As we have consistently said, rather than making a criminal case for obstruction or interference with an ongoing investigation, these memos would be Defense Exhibit A should such a charge be made."
Sorry Tom, I stopped at Nunes, a known shill and secret agent and lapdog for The Dufus.
BREAKING NEWS
https://politicalwire.com/2018/04/20...enstein-fired/
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Attorney General Jeff Sessions “recently told the White House he might have to leave his job if President Trump fired his deputy, Rod Rosenstein, who oversees the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election,” theWashington Postreports.
adios Sessions is a lifetime swamp critter .
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