Ask Me Help Desk - Trump Being Presidential or Being Thuggish?

Last year the emperor said that even though Evita had been "careless " in using a private server to handle classified information ;her "intent " had not been to harm national security ,and that the whole issue had been over stated .

Obama says Hillary Clinton emails did not endanger national security - Washington Times

Then a month later in July ,Comey had his famous announcement about the investigation . He said that Evita had been "extremely careless" in transmitting classified information with her private server ..... but she did not have bad "intent " .He declared that no prosecutor would charge her given those facts .

Now it could be argued that the emperor was putting pressure ,or at least sending signals to Comey that he did not want Evita prosecuted .

Back then no one thought the emperor was obstructing justice in an investigation just because he signaled that he did not want Evita prosecuted . But a handwritten note that Comey wrote to himself ,that no one besides Comey (and whoever else he decided to share it with ),presumably saying that Trump asked him if it was possible to drop the investigation of Flynn is now some kind of smoking gun that Trump tried to obstruct justice .

Is that the best they got ? The Slimes did not even see the memo before reporting on it' content . If Trump obstructed with his comment to Comey then so did the emperor in his statement. But even reading the tidbit that the Slimes reported ,Trump's comment is more in line with asking Comey to give a 'good guy' a break . He was not ordering him to do anything . If Trump's comment was a veiled order then so was the emperor's .Was it criminal for Trump to hope the investigation was dropped ? And as I already noted ;if Comey thought there was an obstruction of justice ,it was his lawful duty to report it .

My guess is that Comey was mad he didn't get that fabulous chocolate cake that Trump served foreigners. Or maybe he had to go to the White house for dinner instead of Mara Lago! Or BOTH!!

Dem leadership doesn't want a President Pence. Trump is safe .

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/18/u...peachment.html

Now if they could find a way to take out Pence too ,then we'd have to deal with President Madame Mimi .

Pence has his baggage also, and in many cases worse than Trumps if you can believe that. I doubt he could have won another term as Gov. of Indiana.

Who is Madam Mimi?

added an extra "I" should be Mad Madam Mim Pelosi. (also stated that under the assumption that the Dems plan is to drag this out until after the mid-terms in hope of retaking the House. Then as Speaker ,she would be 3rd in line).

That's sort of what I thought. That may be a long shot, but as Trump seemingly is self destructing, I doubt Pence will. He is your mainstream conservative that the right can rally around. Had he run on hi own he would have been toast though.

All the repubs were toast!

Cruz would've won

Would he have succeed in the general election spotlight you think?

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Would he have succeed in the general election spotlight you think?

Sure Evita was a very flawed candidate .

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Would he have succeed in the general election spotlight you think?

Not without the help of the Russians.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

as I already noted ;if Comey thought there was an obstruction of justice ,it was his lawful duty to report it .

Hello tom:

Report it to WHO??? HE'S a cop.. He's the guy stuff like that should be reported TO.. When investigators FIND stuff, they don't "report" it.. They put it IN the file. When they HAVE their case, they "report" it in the form of an indictment..

Plus, I dunno WHO you think you're scoring points with when you EXCUSE Trumps behavior by pointing out Hillary's.. Even IF they're on the same plane, what Hillary DID cannot effect us today.. What the Donald DOES, DOES effect our daily lives... Look.. I'm sure Truman did bad sh*t. Does that mean it's OK if Trump does??? I simply don't understand that logic..

Can we talk about leaks? The REASON people leak is because they SEE something untoward. As a nation, and by a WIDE margin, we are better off because people LEAKED stuff. So, if leaders wanna stop LEAKS, they need to STOP doing untoward things..

While I'm at it, either right wingers are BLIND to Trump's nakedness, or want him to at least cover up long enough so they can pass a right wing agenda.. Now, I KNOW you love the agenda, but as a never Trumper, has he turned you?

excon

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Hello tom:

Report it to WHO??? HE'S a cop.. He's the guy stuff like that should be reported TO.. When investigators FIND stuff, they don't "report" it.. They put it IN the file. When they HAVE their case, they "report" it in the form of an indictment..

excon

excon 1 -- tomder zero

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Plus, I dunno WHO you think you're scoring points with when you EXCUSE Trumps behavior by pointing out Hillary's.. Even IF they're on the same plane, what Hillary DID cannot effect us today.. What the Donald DOES, DOES effect our daily lives... Look.. I'm sure Truman did bad sh*t. Does that mean it's OK if Trump does??? I simply don't understand that logic..

excon

excon 2 -- tomder zero

Old arguments die hard, Dump would sell his grandmother for a buck and he just sold the soul of america to the Saudi

(18 USC 4' .....'Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both'.).

Comey was a law enforcement officer . If cops are being bribed or sees a cover up is it not their duty to report it ? Yes it is . As to who Comey should've reported it to ,obviously to his superiors in the Justice Dept ,or to any one of the Congressional Committees he has testified to ;or the the prosecutor investigating Flynn in Virginia ...just to name a few .

He clearly did not perceive himself to have been impeded because he neither resigned nor reported a crime up or down his chain of command. In Senate testimony, under oath , on May 3 ,well after his chat with Trump ,Comey testified that neither he nor the FBI had been under any pressure to drop the investigation . He said the FBI has always been free to operate without political interference. Was that perjury ? The Flynn investigation continued and is now a Grand Jury is Virginia has issued subpoenas.

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Plus, I dunno WHO you think you're scoring points with when you EXCUSE Trumps behavior by pointing out Hillary's.. Even IF they're on the same plane, what Hillary DID cannot effect us today.. What the Donald DOES, DOES effect our daily lives... Look.. I'm sure Truman did bad sh*t. Does that mean it's OK if Trump does??? I simply don't understand that logic..

You should read my observation #41 again.

I wasn't comparing Evita to Trump . I was comparing the pressure the emperor put on Comey to the perceived pressure Trump put on Comey . It is a valid comparison. We are talking about actions less than a year from each event . If what Trump did by telling Comey how he preferred the investigation went was obstruction, then so too was the emperor's remarks .

Athos you are better than lobbing spitballs from the cheap seats .

I won't point out the differing styles of Obama, and Trump, but will point out that the Orangeman made Comey make a note for later, and further looked suspicious to me, and everybody else! Bet Trump loves everybody making nice to him on his "tour", but what comes from selling more guns and stuff to Arabian dictators and trouble makers could end up anywhere in the world, remain to be seen. Looks good on TV though doesn't it?

He will be home soon though, but the good, or bad news is, he hasn't had time to TWEET his thoughts. Probably his lawyers got to him. Wonder if donating to his daughter Ivanka's Womens Fund was part of the deal?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...ushpmg00000009

He jumped all over Hillary about that...HMM! Then we have this weird photo

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAXn_lEXoAE6mpO.jpg

WEIRD!!!

Tal , Show me the FBI in the Constitution. The FBI is an instrument of the Justice Dept ,and that in turn is an instrument of the only person that the Constitution vests law enforcement powers upon . Had he ordered the investigation closed it would've been in his perusal . It would be up to Congress to determine if that amounts to an impeachable offense .

Sure Herr Donald can order the investigation closed, and fire the special counsel, and anybody else he wants out. We'll see how that works for him.

DO IT, DONALD, DO IT!

I would rather watch the Donald Show than set up Mike, Mitch, and Paul to run their agenda.

Here have some of my popcorn! Get your own toothpick though. When are you going to learn the Constitution is an EVOLVING structure?

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Can we talk about leaks? The REASON people leak is because they SEE something untoward. As a nation, and by a WIDE margin, we are better off because people LEAKED stuff. So, if leaders wanna stop LEAKS, they need to STOP doing untoward things..

Let's make them martyrs . Prosecute them . Someone in the White House has leaked classified information ;information that was designed to protect citizens from government snooping . That provision of FISA law is in serious jeopardy and that is not a good thing because the FISA law is a very useful law to combat espionage and terror threats .

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Whoever knowingly and willfully communicates … or otherwise makes available to an unauthorized person, or publishes … any classified information … obtained by the processes of communication intelligence from the communications of any foreign government … shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

Title 18 United States Code §798

Hello again, tom:

Yes.. Leakers take huge risks. For that, we should be forever thankful.. There's a difference between leaking and espionage.. I support one and not the other.

excon

Personally Exxie, I have no problem with patriotic Americans squealing on the lying bully who is the president. Having said that, this matter will be handled in the court of law, and not public opinion. Leaks may be illegal, but that doesn't make them lies.

That means a thorough AND credible investigation of the FACTS.

Here Tal ,this should explain it all .

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...EF64&FORM=VIRE

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Here Tal ,this should explain it all .

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...EF64&FORM=VIRE

Yes Tom that certainly explains something, but pardon my confusion as I WONDER why Dilliary isn't being prosecuted?

There ain't no more investigators to investigate Hillary, Clete. They either got fired by Trump, or they are investigating Trump. Klavan was pretty clear about that. Oh wait! You said prosecute! They got fired too!

Yes well to be expected Dump only knows one way of administration and two words "YOU'RE FIRED!"

Clete the special investigator ;or whatever they call him, has broad powers to expand his investigation wherever he deems it . Evita won't be prosecuted because herr Donald lied to his voters when he led them on with the ridiculous chant 'lock her up' . [Actually he lied to them about a lot of things ;but that is for a different discussion. The nuance was the difference between taking his words literally or figuratively. ] So Evita and the Clintoons will get away with perhaps the biggest public corruption scheme in history .
Things for the special investigator to examine..............

That time Trump was paid $500,000 to make a speech in Moscow.... oh wait ,that was Bubba Clintoon

That time Trump failed to disclose Russian donors to his foundation before serving as Sec State ...... oh wait,that was Evita

That time Trump's company was in partnership with the Russian government and received $35 million from them .....oh wait ,that was Podesta

That time Trump received $145 million from stock holders of an uranium company sold to the Russians .... oh wait ,that was Evita .

That time Trump approved the sale of 20% of the US uranium to the Russians ....oh wait ,that was Evita .

Clinton ain't signing no bills, or making no executive orders. Clinton doesn't have a bunch of Russians yucking it up at the White house and giving away classified information. Every time we talk about the dumb stuff that Orange Man IS doing, all we get is the dumb stuff Clinton did.

Trump is the PREZ, Clinton ain't, never was, and likely never will be. You would have to be blind not to see the difference.

It's not about difference, as the French would say; viva la difference, but surely this circus can do no good

Are you kidding? It's the Greatest Show On Earth! After 8 solid years of talking about the black guy, it's refreshing to talk about the orange guy for a while.

The emperor's team is back in the news . Turns out that they were illegally 'unmasking ' Americans ,violating their 4th amendment rights since at least 2011 . When the FISA court told them to knock it off ,they doubled down instead . Hundreds of Americans were unmasked . If it was 2011 ,I pretty sure that Romney's campaign was given the same treatment that herr Donald's received . If the names were leaked I'm sure just about every political opponent of the emperor was subject to illegal surveillance . Time for Mueller to expand his probe .
Barack Obama's team secretly disclosed years of illegal NSA searches spying on Americans | Circa News - Learn. Think. Do.

I think Mueller has his hands so full on just the Orange Man right now Tom, that he doesn't have time to dig into the last administration! Seems Trumps lawyers have finally shut Trumps big mouth if it's not to late.

Maybe he gets around to the past.

You want to talk about Dump being thuggish

Donald Trump shoves NATO leader Montenegro Prime Minister DuÅ¡ko Markovic

Here is another indication he wants all the limelight and will be heavy handed getting it. He won't allow any lesser slug to get in front of him when the pics are on

What a maroon!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_Kh7nLplWo

Comey flat out lied to the Senate while under oath about this :

Declassified memos show FBI illegally shared spy data on Americans with private parties | Circa News - Learn. Think. Do.

So what? Repubs lie about health care, budgets, taxes, and voting, and trump!

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amazing that Dems can excuse away wholesale violations of 4th amendment rights . When the Patriot act was proposed this was the very thing the opponents feared .Turns out they were right ;except their fear was the Bush would abuse the power . It was the emperor and his fascist regime that abused it .

How can you be for the 4th amendment, and be for stop and frisk, or racial profiling? Isn't that kind of selective?