C'mon. You know that's not true. If anything, he has given companies permission to threaten to pull up stakes and thus blackmail us.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
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C'mon. You know that's not true. If anything, he has given companies permission to threaten to pull up stakes and thus blackmail us.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Don't you just love circular arguments? Seriously, Don't you just love circular arguments?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
How so? That what he has done more than once! Please refute with documentation.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ost-since-1980Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Trump has fellow repubs slobbing at the mouth all right at the possibilities of making MO" MONEY, but let's not forget what happened after Bush cut taxes and deregulated in 2002. Sounds like more supply side economics to me but we won't know until after all the seasonal layoffs and store closings have been factored in and then we still await what Trump actually does.
I mean if saving/making jobs in America looks anything like his Carrier deal then we are in for a rocky ride indeed.
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When I look at the people at Trump rallies, I always think of this quote from George Carlin, "Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups." He was a very wise man.
Dems should give Trump the same chance and support repubs gave Obama from day one.
Sounds fair to me!
I thought they have done that already
Not even close... there was NEVER violence, and organized threats calling for Obama's death or assassination like the left has been doing. Let them "Protest" like they have been known to do in Virginia, like the degenerate behavior in Baltimore and Ferguson. They can expect a LOT of them to be shot to death by Virginians who won't put up with ANY of that crap here if they try.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Of course many on the left typically prefer to make up their own facts of stuff that never happened. Reality is a bit hard for some of them to deal with face to face.
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Looks like a mob of zombies to meQuote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
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Originally Posted by paraclete
Like zombies... not a lot of cerebral activity taking place. Just wait...you will see the same crowd that was harping on Bush about Afghanistan, was silent about Afghanistan the last 8 years and rooting for Syria...and soon they will suddenly have a problem with it again....when nothing has changed. Like a broken record. And as predictable as the sunrise and sunset.
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Originally Posted by smoothy
Let's establish the ground from the start, Bush was wrong about Iraq, Obama was wrong about Libya, let's not have any bleeding hearts about afghanistan, they harboured terrorists, and the same can be said of Syria. I say bomb the crap out of Racca and leave them to it
If someone's a Peacenik, I'm fine with that as long as they are consistent no matter what administration is in office. I have no Issues with us being in Afghanistan, Didn't under Bush, didn't under Obama.. what I have issues with is how they are pursue it with their stupid rules of engagement... Same mistakes they made in Vietnam... tying one arm and one leg behind our back.. and some cases blindfolding them too. You put our soldiers in danger.. you should give them the free rein to do what it takes. Or don't bother. Middle ground gets people killed for no reason.
As far as Libya, that was stupid... they weren't bothering us... and Syria, as bad as he might have been, at least he was keeping the degenerates under his control in check... Iraq? If Saddam had played nice and simply honored the terms of the cease fire agreement... he would still be alive and kicking today, oppressing the degenerates in his country. Taking him out wasn't unprovoked, but the limited rules of engagement again... hogtied our troops unnecessarily. Do that and more of our people die because of some "political correctness". "Measured response" in military actions nearly always translates into.. "lets see how badly we can F this up"
Hell proof of that dates back at LEAST as far as the Korean war (for the USA) the Brits pulled some legendary stupidity in WW1 during the trench Warfare... doesn't anyone ever learn from past events?
Smoothy, you know the military mind only learns that they are superior, some want to replay the tactics of old battles, some are just stupid. The idea that you can protect civilian populations in urban warfare is what causes problems today, if such ideas existed in WWII, the whole of Europe would have been under Russian domination. If your enemy has the intention to fight to the last man, end it quicklyQuote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
I agree...
I don't because the truth is there are no quick easy fixes once the war starts.
Nobody said there was Tal, problem is the halfazz way they have been doing it since Korea makes actually winning that much harder. And it gets the average soldier killed at far higher rates than it should.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
The PC crap with their really stupid restrictive rules of engagement make it almost impossible to win. Its your average Soldier (picking a general term to use as its not JUST the army involved) is who pays the price for the PC BS their superiors pull. Many of them politicians.
Go in to win... or get the hell out... half measures drag things out and gets our people killed unnecessarily.
And the innocent people who live there and are caught in the crossfire? Too bad for them, I guess.
Yep... they either voted for them, supported them or put up with them... either way.. they aren't all that innocent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Unless we get into it during an actual civil war when they are trying to do something. But being on the wrong side? Not our problem.
Women and kids have been making themselves part of this since forever.
One of my best friends saw guys in his platoon die in Vietnam from women who had explosive in a baby cart under a real baby, and another time had a toddler roll a hand grenade towards him, luckily kid wasn't old enough to remember to pull the pin like they were told or my friend would never have lived long enough to become my friend.
Middle east does the same thing on a regular basis. They have a far different concept of the value of a human life than we have. Meaning they have almost none.
But they have no knowledge in or experience with alternate points of view and political ideas. For instance, look at North Korea and what has been drummed into the heads of the populace for decades. You and I know there's a better way, but they don't. Or don't dare mention it out loud. Torture and death will result. Look how far Vietnam has come (and is still moving forward).
Its summed up quite simply... Life is harsh... life isn't fair. It wasn't a cake walk here under the British....and quite a few people died before we got our freedom from them....they can do that too. Or they don't deserve it.
So,"Nuts to them." Heck, we didn't have anyone helping us defeat the British ... or did we?Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Reminds me of Pastor Niemoller's poem --
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak out for me."
Vietnam hasn't come very far dissent isn't tolerated, don't think the North Koreans don't know there is a better way, they just don't know how to attain it, but communism on NK is a religion, leader veneration in a slightly more extreme version than found in the USQuote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
We'd have still been under British rule... before the Russians or the Germans, maybe even the Japanese took over the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Nothing pretty about war... but losing one because you weren't willing to do what it took to win is far uglier.
My point was, we had help. We had allies. We didn't gain independence all by our little selves.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Not that awful much during the revolutionary war...and the Brits at the time were a major world power not a two bit thug. But if they won't fight for their OWN country, they don't deserve to run to anyone else's. Particularly since none of them are fighting for independence from anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Guilty as charged.
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