This is true .Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
The jihadis' master plan to break us | New York Post
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This is true .Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
The jihadis' master plan to break us | New York Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poste...islamic-state/Quote:
Insisting that the Islamic State has “nothing to do with Islam” is likely to strike Americans following the news as detached from reality.
That's a year old.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Might be a year old, but it is just as valid today as yesteryear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Please supply a recent quote by him.Quote:
Originally Posted by catonsville
ok . His recent comment on the Paris attacks :Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
"I want to make sure that it is absolutely crystal clear that the United States stands with France and the rest of the world in our resolve to eliminate the scourge of violent extremist groups from the face of the Earth.”
He still refuses to name them by name . ... and the emperor told us the day before the attack that the Islamic State was contained .
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https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/images...quote_icon.png Originally Posted by catonsville https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/images...post-right.png
Might be a year old, but it is just as valid today as yesteryear.
Please supply a recent quote by him.
The isn't a lot of discussion of the ideology of Daesh, no one wants to attribute credibility to them, world leaders began using this acronym about a year ago. By the way we don't hang on every word of John Kerry
Picky, Picky I said it was as valid. Have you heard anything, that makes my statement invalid?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
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Originally Posted by paraclete
How about Bolshevik Barry Sanders ? Yesterday he said that climate change causes terrorism.
Yes you said that before what does that have to do with daesh ideology or in fact anything at at, just a politician trying hard to be relevant
Little do the moon god worshipers know... but THIS is what they have waiting for them.
~Attachment 47965
Yes there must be a reason why all those virgins are waiting around
ISIS is a cult, thugs and criminals intent on using drive by methods and religious rhetoric to scare you dummy haters into just the over reaction you have exhibited.
Like that fool who wanted to start a race war by shooting up a black church in Carolina. One guy who took action. 8 guys in Paris who took action traced to thugs in Belgium and Brussels, so far.
You guys just keep dreaming of a religious war just like they want you too. At least the French reaction is a lot more measured and intelligent, going after the thugs and maybe you should pay attention to that.
you are crazy . They now control as much ,or more territory as many European states.Quote:
ISIS is a cult, thugs and criminals intent on using drive by methods and religious rhetoric to scare you dummy haters into just the over reaction you have exhibited.
In a couple weeks they blew up a Russian commercial airliner ,set off bombs in Beirut ,and killed over 130 people ,wounding twice that many in Paris. So no ,this is much bigger than a so called lone wolf individual. They have slaughtered thousands in the areas they have captured . You are the one who needs perspective .Quote:
Like that fool who wanted to start a race war by shooting up a black church in Carolina. One guy who took action. 8 guys in Paris who took action traced to thugs in Belgium and Brussels, so far.
It is not US that want a religious war . It is the jihadists that do.Quote:
You guys just keep dreaming of a religious war just like they want you too. At least the French reaction is a lot more measured and intelligent, going after the thugs and maybe you should pay attention to that.
The French reaction has been fine ...they attacked Raqqa to start a broader military campaign against the Islamic jihadists that must not be named . The territory they have taken in Iraq and Syria need to be taken from them .
Mostly desert, How ISIS Rules by Sarah Birke | The New York Review of Books, and if you add the other "cities" it's no different than gansters running there hood.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Nice rant but this is pretty close to my own perspective, ISIS’s Gruesome Muslim Death Toll - The Daily BeastQuote:
In a couple weeks they blew up a Russian commercial airliner ,set off bombs in Beirut ,and killed over 130 people ,wounding twice that many in Paris. So no ,this is much bigger than a so called lone wolf individual. They have slaughtered thousands in the areas they have captured . You are the one who needs perspective.
Of course you don't want your own narrative of a war against Islam to be undercut, I know Smoothy doesn't, or the rest of the narrow minded who feed the notion that ISIS is some great NATION with many followers. It's NOT, and why you would elevate local thugs to the great heights beyond what they deserve. It's that very perspective that inspires other fools to carry out the same headline grabbing tactics we have seen across the globe.Quote:
Now the report also details ISIS' horrific actions against Christians, Yazidis, and other minorities. But these events—along with the grisly beheadings of American journalists and Western aid workers- have been covered extensively by our media.
The killing of Muslims has not, and part of the reason may be because we lacked facts surrounding those events. After all, ISIS releases videos of its gruesome actions that it wants the world media to discuss but doesn't publicize events it understands can hurt its cause.
That includes your own dismissal of a "lone wolf" attack on the church a while back. The crazy fool was INSPIRED by racists, and separatists he admired in his twisted mind. Funny how easily we can ignore that part of our own society, while decrying it in others. We have already had TWO posters here say the KKK, the mafia, and bikers aren't that bad before you get your drawers all twisted.
Can't agree more!Quote:
It is not US that want a religious war . It is the jihadists that do.
It wasn't JUST a French reaction.Quote:
The French reaction has been fine ...they attacked Raqqa to start a broader military campaign against the Islamic jihadists that must not be named . The territory they have taken in Iraq and Syria need to be taken from them .
Raqqa activists reveal details of French airstrikes on Syria | World news | The Guardian
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and if you add the other "cities" it's no different than gansters running there hood
how many of those gangsters are in the political leadership of the city .Your comparison would be true if the gangsters were the mayors ,on the city council and running the police forces . That is what the Islamic state does in the cities they have captured . They make the official laws of the city .
Yeah that was Evita's big lie in the debate . She was asked about the Republican talk of war with RADICAL Islam ;and she went on to say why she did not think wqe are at war with Islam. This is the same cr@p0la you guys do with illegal immigrants ....you talk about "immigrants " without making the distinction.Quote:
Of course you don't want your own narrative of a war against Islam to be undercut,
I'm surprised the French reaction has been so measured. They obviously have enough information to know that there are a number of undesirables in their midst. Weapons including a rocket launcher have been seized, but what is once again being avoided, Tal, is the plot was hatched in a place inhabited by muslims and the attack was made against non muslims by muslims. Sure they may also have been small time criminals, it seems that these displaced peoples turn to crime however they possessed military weapons so they were more than petty criminals
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-1...ttacks/6944736
Grand Mufti Ibrahim Abu Mohammed blames ISIS attacks on racism
In an appalling piece the Chief Muslim of Australia has said we bring these things upon ourselves. It is very telling that he doesn't condemn terrorism but thinks it is a valid response. This is why we should not trust muslims
Young people everywhere in the world are potential criminals... we call them gangs here, and they have access to as many weapons (and money) as they need for whatever criminal activity they so choose. Especially in a ghetto and that's exactly what Brussels is.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
You distrust even the Muslims who have said exactly what you wanted to hear, Clete?Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
This is exactly why smart people distrust Muslims... unlike most who lie... this one proved what most of us correctly believe about them.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
They believe they are entitled to kill all non-Muslims. And that institutionalized sexual slavery (arraigned marriages) and pedophilia is acceptable. (again its not uncommon to marry off girls before or just after her first period (still a child) in many Muslim countries.
Tal there is a vast difference your young thugs are not motivated by a death cult religion but by drugs and heddonismQuote:
[talaniman;3753434]Young people everywhere in the world are potential criminals... we call them gangs here, and they have access to as many weapons (and money) as they need for whatever criminal activity they so choose. Especially in a ghetto and that's exactly what Brussels is.
I have to say this to you, what sort of idiot are you? Are there many like you where you live? Of course I distrust those who apologise for terrorists, for all I know he is a terrorist sympathiser, recruiter and fund raiser. I am not blind, I am not deaf, I know that such persons exist among the muslim community, some in high placesQuote:
you distrust even the Muslims who have said exactly what you wanted to hear, Clete?[/
I don't think these Arab/Persian thugs truly understand terror. I have been saying this since 1979 so it won't come as a surprise to most of you. We have been at peace with Japan since September 2, 1945, when we demonstrated terror. It's time Tehran gets its nuclear weapon.
Old Ben was right.
We are all born ignorant, but, one must work hard to remain stupid~ Ben Franklin ~
And what do you think they will do with it, nuke Racca or nuke Washington? What an Iranian nuke would do is cause Washington to curb its aggessive tendencies. A nuclear device is only a deterrent when used otherwise it is an ornament. The world has enough nuclear trophies and these trophies have not caused the terrorists to run and hideQuote:
Originally Posted by Catsmine
The reasons are irrelevant, and that's if I buy your motives which I doubt would apply as widely as you think among the youth of the ISIS followers. You fail to even acknowledge the conditions of poverty especially among the adolescents on a global scale and it's long term effects which as usual makes your blathering both short and narrow, inaccurate, and poorly formed but not surprising given your history of spewing derogatories and those you hate.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Once you acknowledge you know nothing it will free you from fear fueled speculation and while there are many like you where I am, thankfully they are an ever swindling minority. I didn't ask your opinion of the fellow of your article Clete, but if you read the question it specifically asked about those Muslims who had distanced themselves the fellow.Quote:
I have to say this to you, what sort of idiot are you? Are there many like you where you live? Of course I distrust those who apologise for terrorists, for all I know he is a terrorist sympathiser, recruiter and fund raiser. I am not blind, I am not deaf, I know that such persons exist among the muslim community, some in high places
My bad, I should have known not to ask a reasonable question of one who lives in such a small box.
Let me try to add a bit of insight to your narrow fear induced view
Paris Terror: Why ISIS Needs The 'Useful Idiots' Who Demonize Muslims
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Every imbecile who threatens Muslims is an unwitting agent of ISIS; in fact, it would be unsurprising to learn that ISIS itself is covertly promoting such messages in order to intensify enmity between the peoples of the Quran and the rest of the world. Certainly that is among the primary objectives of attacks like last week's atrocities in Paris.
I think you misunderstood HOW they would get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
We gave one to Hiroshima and another to Nagasaki. Think more along those terms
The person who wrote that piece is an idiot who is working on behalf of ISIS. Because Most Muslims support the terrorist element even if they themselves won't actually do the act.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
And people that even partially agree with the terrorist mindset.. makes them no different.
Tom posted a link to that earlier with polls that prove it and I saw other polls years ago at the time taken in the 90's some of which might have been included in that aggregate. And there remains the fact... very little is being done by Muslims to take out this element... and they don't take them out because they agree with them.
While your premise may be correctQuote:
And there remains the fact... very little is being done by Muslims to take out this element...
Your conclusion is flawed, as they don't have the capability as to act on their own against armed thugs. No more than any "neighborhood" in the world where the thug infests them. If they cannot trust a cop they don't call them, and that's only if they have a cop to call.Quote:
and they don't take them out because they agree with them.
How easily you dismiss the FACT that many Muslims have publicly spoken against the terrorist because they DON'T agree with them at all. Rather silly to say even the actions of the few represents the feelings of the whole, especially when you use OLD "data" to do it with.
Yes they do... the problem is they have to stick their necks out and they don't disagree with them nearly enough to do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Words are cheap... and there haven't even been very many of those used. And there has been precious little action taken. Which is what matters.
If they can stone a woman or girl to death for having sex out of wedlock or not wearing her burlap sack... they aren't too pure to take out terrorist supporters too.
No stoning here in Chicagoland. What would you want US Muslims to do?
You see we come back to the problem there are those who live in their traditional lands and those who have escaped. We would like those who have escaped in being very vocal in denouncing the outlandish views of the jihadists and publishing their refutation of the dogma. We would like the jihadist supporters and recruiters to be outed but we know that won't happen. Once there was a problem with nazi under the bed, then it was commies under the bed and now it's jihadi under the bed because minorities mistrust law enforcement and intellegence agencies
Wondergirl... you need to watch the news a lot closer. There have been more than a few honor killings and maiming's by muslims that have occurred over the years in the USA alone. Really, their mindset is... your daughter slept with "X" she dishonored her family and must pay for it,. now how does that justify killing her, beating her within an inch of her life, or setting her on fire, throwing acid on her... etc. ALL of which has happened by that nice bunch... not just in some Middle eastern hell hole. They do it in Europe too. See it frequently on the news.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Once in a while its someone from India doing it...but most often its a Muslim doing it.
No domestic violence by Americans in the US... NOOOOO... no rapes... naw... americans are pure as the driven snow even if a few crazies shoot up people in the public places.
You know what I reckon if we took american violence out of the picture and we took muslim violence out of the picture we would find that the world is a largely peaceful place. When you use the word "domestic" I'm unsure whether you mean violence committed in a household towards women, or violence committed inside your bordersQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Domestic violence is a term to denote violence within the household between related family members.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Most of these crazies end up being lefties.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Americans typically don't execute their daughters after proclaiming them sluts.
And most of the other violence... is rarely one sided and both parties share a blame in it.
Yes that is my understanding too, so tal is saying americans have stopped beating their wives and kids, when did that happen?Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
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I'm assuming we are talking about muslims again but we could be talking about right wing nut jobs, or those smoking dopeQuote:
Most of these crazies end up being lefties.
So what do they do with them?Quote:
Americans typically don't execute their daughters after proclaiming them sluts.
We weren't assigning blame. Tal, being in deniel, suggested it didn't exist, obviously you have evidence to the contraryQuote:
And most of the other violence... is rarely one sided and both parties share a blame in it.
Nope... most of the mass shootings, actually all of them since the Oklahoma city bombing (the last one pulled by a righty) have been by lefties.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
We don't execute them... they usually send them to strict female only boarding schools. If they can afford it... or kick their butts out of the house and force her to make the baby daddy support them. He broke it he bought it.
I believe for every ONE mean spirited drunk that does beat on his wife or kids for no reason what so ever (or woman, its not gender specific I've known examples of both married to friends)... there are 100 husbands driven to the brink of insanity by a sharp tongued wife (PMS or any other reason) who doesn't know when its a great time to stop and shut up before he snaps and the whoopin commences. Or some know it all teenager with all the answers to everything doing it to either the father or mother or both.
A steriotypical answer, It is someoneelse's fault because I have no self control or I didn't teach my kids self control. We have all been on the wrong end of a sharp tongued wife, doesn't mean you solve the problem with a smack in the face, and we have all had to deal with idiot teenagers, while they might need a smackdown that should have been administered long ago. This is the age of self, the unholy trinity, self first, self second and self again.
No one is going to admit to the problem in our societies, we cannot be multicultural, we are not accepting of other cultures. We might eat their food but we don't embrace their religion. We don't worship cows or elephants, we don't worship the moon we only worship ourselves, We don't dress like we are hiding something because we all know from looking in the mirror there is nothing worth hiding, although I admit with some muslim women it is better they stay hidden. The thing is we aren't so up ourselves that we think killing someone is the only solution
SO the person PROVOKING the incident doesn't share a LOT of the blame? If they spent hours provoking it... they don't get to play the innocent victim card.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
There ARE innocent victims... no doubt... but most of the rest had a hand in escalating things until violence was inevitable. That makesthem share blame in what results.
The problem comes down to someone being willing to walk away either for the moment or permanently. Most people will not concede in the heat of an argument
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