Abortion pills do not cause abortions, they prevent fertilization as a matter of science. You can BELIEVE what you want.
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Abortion pills do not cause abortions, they prevent fertilization as a matter of science. You can BELIEVE what you want.
Who said they did? That was not their argument.Quote:
Abortion pills do not cause abortions, they prevent fertilization as a matter of science. You can BELIEVE what you want.
They were challenging being forced to pay for abortifacients
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The owners of the businesses have religious objections to abortion, and according to their religious beliefs the four contraceptive methods at issue are abortifacients.
Naturally, libs are reacting as expected – they want to burn Hobby Lobby to the ground. I'm guessing these same people support gun control, and I have no clue how taking away a woman's livelihood is better than free contraceptives.
'Fu*k you:' Left-wingers want to 'burn down' Hobby Lobby after SCOTUS win | Twitchy
P.S. Do you moonbats not understand that probably a lot of women work for Hobby Lobby, Mardel and Chik-Fil-A BECAUSE of their owner's morals and not in spite of them?
Nope, the employees don't care, it's just a job.Quote:
Do you moonbats not understand that probably a lot of women work for Hobby Lobby, Mardel and Chik-Fil-A BECAUSE of their owner’s morals and not in spite of them?
So no one works in a Christian book store because it's a Christian book store? Ba ha ha!Quote:
Nope, the employees don't care, it's just a job.
None of the contraceptives they object to is an abortifacient.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
These last few supreme court decisions were really wrong. The buffer zone around abortion clinics should be maintained for safety reasons. What if some nut with a gun or knife gets too close? It has nothing to do with free speech. The Hobby Lobby decision is also wrong because it gives religious nuts the right to impose their views on things that are none of their business. The decision about Obama's recess appointments is pretty hypocritical. I remember George W. Bush used a recess appointment to put a racist judge named Charles Pickering on a federal court and I don't think it was challenged in court.
Republican and righties never have abortions or use contraception? Yeah RIGHT!!Quote:
The left prefers tearing little unborn babies to bits... since many of them got their jollies as kids by torturing animals.
Come on Tal, you’re telling me the Supreme Court doesn’t know what an abortifacient is? That was a direct quote from the opinion, as is this:
I get it though, you libs don’t believe Christians should be able to operate their privately held businesses in accordance with their beliefs. Too bad, in this case the court says otherwise.Quote:
Nonexempt employers are generally required to provide coverage for the 20 contraceptive methods approved by the Food and Drug Administration, including the 4 that may have the effect of preventing an already fertilized egg from developing any further by inhibiting its attachment to the uterus. Religious employers, such as churches, are exempt from this contraceptive mandate.
That straw man argument again. It doesn't matter If they do or not, and again HL was not arguing to exempt itself from all contraceptive coverage, just the 4 methods that work after fertilization. Get over it, you can’t force us to murder babies.Quote:
Republican and righties never have abortions or use contraception? Yeah RIGHT!!
Not nearly as many Tal, not nearly as many.
. What you have is a couple inconclusive studies suggesting that the morning after pill does not prevent fertilized eggs from implanting ;but instead preventing eggs release .And if the egg is not released ,it can't be fertilized. Nice theory ;but hardly conclusive and there are many that dispute that . As a matter of fact ,the FDA has not been convinced of this . Teva has petitioned that the labelling of the morning after pill be changed based on the study and the FDA to date has refused to do so.Quote:
None of the contraceptives they object to is an abortifacient
Either way ;it is not important to the ruling because if Hobby Lobby had objected to covering ANY contraceptive on religious grounds ,SCOTUS found they had a constitutional right to deny their employees the coverage .
WHy not? Freedom of speech after all. One form of protest isn't any different than any other is. Or more entitled.Quote:
These last few supreme court decisions were really wrong. The buffer zone around abortion clinics should be maintained for safety reasons. What if some nut with a gun or knife gets too close? It has nothing to do with free speech. The Hobby Lobby decision is also wrong because it gives religious nuts the right to impose their views on things that are none of their business. The decision about Obama's recess appointments is pretty hypocritical. I remember George W. Bush used a recess appointment to put a racist judge named Charles Pickering on a federal court and I don't think it was challenged in court.
There are plenty of aetheist anti-Christian nuts on the left... do you condone applying your same standards to them as well? Based on the mass shootings over recent years... there is ample proof the crowd using the Abortion Clinic bears a far greater risk to the public in general than the anti-abortion protestors do.
And as far as recess appointments... there is NOTHING hypocritical... because no other president has acted like he is some self appointed emperor when there wasn't an actual recess. Meaning they ALL did it while an actuall recess was in place. Obama however isn't as smart as the loaf he pinches off every moring in the toilet... or he would have understood as much and saved himself and his fragile ego from embarassment.
98% of females use contraceptives, so you have no facts and your opinion is based on feelings and a lot of objections. Less than 2 million is the estimate for abortions so the number is and cannot be as high as you think in the first place
Number of Abortions in US & Worldwide - Number of abortions since 1973
Abortion in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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The rate has dropped significantly from its all-time high in 1981, when there were roughly 30 abortions for every 1,000 women of reproductive age. The overall number of abortions also fell 13 percent from 2008 to nearly 1.1 million in 2011." In 2013, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention also reported a decline in abortion rates.[49][50][51][
Which why there was no need for this mandate in the first place, but it's irrelevant to the case.Quote:
98% of females use contraceptives,
99% of females don't MURDER their own unborn children...
Condoms are cheap... buy them yourself. If you want to play adult games... assume the responsibility and the cost of playing them yourself. That's what Hobby Lobby and many others want.
Modern more effective contraceptives take many forms, not just latex.
Most of which Hobby Lobby did not challenge. Pick one and be happy.
P.S. The FDA approved the sale of generic EC over-the counter with no age restrictions in March. You don't need a prescription, you don't need coverage, you don't need to prove how old you are, so what's the problem?
The costs. That's always been the issue for many. Some more than others.
The costs are only higher for those with out of control libidos... Like having a car... if you want one, expect to pay all the costs associated... or buy a bus pass.
Concerned about Cost?
The costs are paid for by somebody, one way or another. Accidents happen.
Coitus by accident? In an active and even kinky adulthood, I have never gotten laid by accident, nor have I ever heard of it happening. Having sex through ignorance, yes, in which case birth control is never used - accident, no.Quote:
The costs are paid for by somebody, one way or another. Accidents happen.
Wanking or diddling is free...
Anything else the parties playing are responsible for paying the costs. If they can't afford a condom... how are they going to afford their next meal?
Ignorance may be no excuse, but accidents happen, so do mistakes. Us humans are subject to strong intense feelings of fear and lust, and have accidents, and make mistakes often with consequences, as a result.
If we were perfect there would be no debate about any of our actions. SCOTUS is made up of humans and as well intentioned as humans are, there can be accidents, mistakes, and unwanted consequences.
And its every persons responsibility to deal with it or keep their pants on.
People are expected to control themselves when they are subject to strong intense feelings when they need to beat the crap out of another person that did them wrong or even kill them (and that is a far stronger urge to suppress in some circumstances), or they want that thing they can't afford to pay for...
Yet they they don't expect to get a free ride on those either.
The costs? You mean the thousands of dollars it cost Sandra Fluke, who didn’t know you could get it (and still can) for $9 down the street? What is it with you libs that you can’t hold anyone (except Bush, Cheney, Republicans in general) accountable for themselves? Nobody owes women free contraceptives.
And I repeat, contraception usage was “virtually universal” before the mandate, so cost didn’t bother them before.
The slut extraordinaire Sandra Fluke was in a school that cost $40,000 a year to attend (WITHOUT room and board or books)... and yet she couldn't afford protection for her weekend gangbangs? THat was her problem... she could afford it.
First of all your claim that it cost $9 down the street (Target Pharmacy) was for insurance bearers with a prescription from a doctor. And second universal availability is DIRECTLY tied to COSTS.
No doctor, no insurance, no availability unless you got enough loot.
Um, no. That’s the prescription price, period. And as I said, HL only challenged emergency contraception, sold over the counter in generic form with no age restrictions. And again, contraception usage was “virtually universal” before the mandate, which makes it a cure in search of a disease. You’re batting zero on arguments today, Tal.
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You need a prescription for all oral contraceptives at WalMart (or anywhere else), don't believe me, call and ask.
You are sorely misinformed of the facts. Everything on your list requires a prescription!!
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Us humans are subject to strong intense feelings of fear and lust, and have accidents, and make mistakes often with consequences, as a result.
Are you arguing that You should have to pay for my mistakes? Wonderful! I'll get an itemized list up this weekend.
I'll make one up too... I'm sure I can find lots of stuff to put on it.Quote:
Are you arguing that You should have to pay for my mistakes? Wonderful! I'll get an itemized list up this weekend.
The Hobby Lobby decision shows that birth control should be available over the counter without a prescription, then religious busybodies wouldn't be able to force their stupid views on people.
Condoms are already... there would be far fewer cases of Herpes, HPV, and AIDS if they would take the time to use them.
Which reading the many, MANY posts here... apparently even if they had the Pill, they can't be bothered to take them every day... takes too much time apparently... much less waste any of their precious time putting on condoms... particularly since most of them will be done 3 or 4 minutes later if it takes them that long.
Such decisions as contraception should be guided by a doctor for proper safe use. Not religious busybodies.
Condoms don't need a doctors guidance... but then... judging by the "am I pregnant" threads, maybe someone should explain to them somehow they don't work if you put them on your finger, or leave them in your pocket. Apparently a lot of them aren't intelligent enough to figure it out themselves.
As in the US many year ago, some were/are NOT as educated as others on the facts of human sexuality a they should be. Some here still have not evolved or been informed of the facts.
Always interesting to read the debates... much to learn about the people involved, their opinions, views, beliefs, etc, as well as the array of news, or sometimes not so much news, pieces often presented to support a view.
I did just call Walmart to find out... $9 for birth control pills, with or without insurance.
Having read similar debates on other sites, I know one item that comes up is the question of other uses for birth control pills besides contraception, such as regulating periods or relieving extremely painful periods... important to note that regular birth control pills were not in question, not to mention that there are well known supplements that can also be used for those situations, with fewer side effects as well.
Other concerns were cases of rape, broken condoms, missed birth control pills, or getting caught up in the heat of the moment and using nothing. One solution would be that specific doses of regular birth control pills (varies depending on the brand) can also be used as emergency contraception.
There are many hot topics... where the decisions made, or not made, will make some people happy, while angering others. At least in this situation, there are ample options for those who were not happy with the decision.
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