Are you changing sides and agreeing the free use of federal lands by a private citizen is not a good thing?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
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Are you changing sides and agreeing the free use of federal lands by a private citizen is not a good thing?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
I think we need to get all our ducks in a row, certain actions were very high handed but apparently necessary in the face of recalcitrant tenant who would not pay his rent, a peaceful demonstration did not lead to acts of violence from either side, there are people in this world who have agendas, whether it is pertinent to this debate is mute
While I applaud and support the protesters' demonstration against the high handed tactics of the Federal agents, strategically this is not the best place for States' rights and Individual Liberty activists to take a stand. Reid is a crook, a given since he's a politician, but Bundy is rather ignorant in his views of Nevada's charter of Statehood. The best possible outcome for this is Reid's exposure and hopefully defeat in the elections and Bundy settling his bill.
Debates on the principles of Federal land ownership are fine, but they belong in the Statehouse, not the desert sun.
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Originally Posted by talaniman
No ,I thought I made it clear that I don't support the Federal Government owning almost a 3rd of the land mass of the nation.
My question is why do you favor as an alternative ,an eviction so Reid can profit from a rent seeker arrangement ? You cannot ignore or deny that the 200% in fees was designed to drive the ranchers off the land (and BLM was successful in driving all but one rancher off the land ) .
I'm sure the eastern liberal states are fine with this arrangement since there is a very small percentage of state land owned by the Feds in the east . The difference puts the western states at a competitive and tax disadvantage compared with Eastern states . What kind of nonsense is it that a State of the union only has sovereignty over less than 20 % of it's land ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Catsmine
Feds Desperate to Hide Harry Reid Link to Bundy Land Grab
Posted on April 16, 2014 by Paul Joseph Watson
BLM deletes Google cache of explosive document
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uqQRhJjS0ww
The feds are so desperate to hide Harry Reid's connection to a Communist Chinese energy company linked to the Cliven Bundy land grab, they are now even deleting Google's cached version of an explosive document originally deleted from the BLM website.
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What else would anyone expect from the most corrupt administration with the most corrupt political party in the history of this country.
conspiracy theory
How else can they defend trespassing and stealing?
Tresspassing and stealing by the government? THis is yet another case of the government and the media that are in bed with them spreading misinformation about what's really happening.
Is ANYONE foolish enough to believe anything Harry Reid says...or trust anything he does.....after 6 years of the most corrupt administration to ever plague this country
Nice spin, but fact is Bundy lost in court and had ample opportunity to prove it was Harry's fault not his.
Harry is in Bed with the Chinese to line his own pockets and this is all a diversion to divert attention from where it really should be.
http://www.dcclothesline.com/2014/04...-upon-america/
Or you are diverting attention from the wrong doing of this rancher for 20 years with soaring rhetoric, and conspiracy theories. Fed to you by extremists, and right wing fringe loony's. None of which will change the court rulings. It's a done deal and all over with except for the shouting.
the fact that the Feds left when the information about the Reid connection was revealed is proof enough .
>SIGH< They didn't leave, they backed off to keep from killing protestors. You showed the fence and its being worked out in a peaceful, non violent way, between Bundy and the law, without the noise and rabble from the gun toting crowd.
Really... I seem to rememebr Ruby ridge where innocent people got killed by the FBI for doing absolutely nothing wrong either.
THis is all about yet another Democrat scandle they are running away from when the facts come out despite near total control of the media by the DNC.
It should be noted that the government lost in court, and paid damages to the Weavers family in civil courts.
Harry Reid could be on Youtube video playing spin the tyke on the pole... and the dems would defend him doing it.
I have defended the lawful court process that says the rancher gets off federal lands and pays what he owes for years of free usage. Texas does business with many foreign nations, why shouldn't Nevada or any other state?
You are parroting what Harry Ried wants you and everyone else to think happened... and ignoring what's really been going on out there... which are two VERY different things.
You know what you need over there is what we have here, the independent commission against corruption, in 24 years this body has claimed many political scalps the most high profile of which was just this week, NSW Premier O'Farrell and it's reach may yet embarrass the lofty heights of Canberra where guilt by association reigns.
O'Farrell resigned after lying to the commission about an expensive bottle of wine, begging the question regarding what may remain hidden. By resigning he didn't have to face questions in the parliament
They would soon unseat the likes of Harry Reid
Tal ,Philly mayor Michael Nutter signed an executive order today stating the city will no longer cooperate with the ICE . I want to hear you condemn his violation of the lawful process.
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Originally Posted by paraclete
Tom is not interested in solutions, just political point scoring.
if it would force the crook Harry Reid to resign then there is some merit to the proposal. We could do the same here with an independent prosecutor if the emperor would direct his chief law enforcement cabinet officer to appoint one ..Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuttyd
What I don't understand is you have such august bodies such as the FBI and yet your politics is rife with corruption. A machine politician like Obama would never do what you suggest since he would probably find the fingers pointing at him. The type of body I'm speaking about doesn't prosecute, it investigates under judicial authority and so can command evidence from anyone, the end of the process is a recommendation for prosecution but what is uncovered in the process is far reaching and indepth, much deeper than your Senate enquiries can dig
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-1...elease/5381116
The FBI is even more corrupt than the local police (the last 6 years anyway but its been that way before under Louie Freeh, remember Ruby Ridge?)... and it starts at Obama... he after all appoints the Attourney General... and the top positions are ALL politically influenced.
In what way is it corrupt?
Its not happening just in Nevada... they are pulling the same stunt in Texas... to people that have paid property taxes on the land for over 100 years...
Bureau of Land Management Looks to Seize 90,000 Acres of Texas Ranchland |
The article is too long to cut and paste...so I linked it.
You could write a book on the civil right violations and curruption of the FBI and the inJustice department under Clinton and Obama (though it dates back decades longer). They are that numerous.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Seems you might have one police force too many, no, more than one
Can't disagree there... the problem is they have gotten too big for their britches... or drunk with power.
"We cannot continue to rely only on our military ...We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."
The Emperor .
The BLM is not the only agency that is now armed and ready to use force. Last year the EPA raided gold mines in Alaska with armed agents using paramilitary tactics.
Your quote is another bit of misinformation... again.
Obama's 'National Security Force?'
Factcheck dot org is a George Soros funded liberal misinformation site.
Ok, debunk what they say then.Quote:
Factcheck dot org is a George Soros funded liberal misinformation site.
No different than Hannity or Limbaugh.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Anything connecterd with Soros is suspect... truth and facts are not things Soros.. or today's Democrat party want to waste any time with so they make up everything. Proof is the total lack of transparency and complete disregard for the facts. Behghazigate, IrsGate, ACORN, Guns for goons program... etc, etc...Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
WHen was there NOT a scandal the last 6 years... (just to narrow it down a bit)
What NK means is to demonstrate the misinformation contained within the article.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
That's correct. But, if past performance is any indication, we'll be waiting a long time.
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Originally Posted by paraclete
Emails Show Corruption At Heart Of Obama Administration - Investors.comQuote:
New emails show that both the IRS and Justice Department were involved in a probe of Tea Party and other conservative groups. This is no mere scandal — it's a major breach of the law.
The newly released emails were gathered for a Freedom of Information Act request by Judicial Watch, a nonpartisan public interest law group. They show that former Internal Revenue Service official Lois Lerner discussed with the Justice Department going after conservative groups that she believed lied about their political activities.
What's shocking is that this discussion came just days before Lerner acknowledged that the IRS had investigated tea-party and other conservative groups but insisted that it was an isolated incident conducted by low-level officials in the IRS' Cincinnati office.
It was a lie. In a May 8 email to Nikole Flax, then the chief of staff to the acting IRS commissioner, Lerner discusses a phone call from Richard Pilger, who headed the Justice Department's elections crimes unit.
According to Lerner, Pilger wondered if the IRS could help him "piece together false-statement cases about applicants who 'lied'" on applications for tax-free status.
In a subsequent email, Lerner responded: "I think we should do it — also need to include CI (the criminal investigation unit), which we can help coordinate. Also, we need to reach out to FEC (the Federal Election Commission). Does it make sense to consider including them in this or keep it separate?"
It's been clear for some time that this goes beyond a mere rogue IRS operation in Cincinnati. But until now, we didn't know how far it went.
As the emails show, it was a high-level conspiracy to use the offices and powers of the federal government — including the IRS, FEC and Justice — to falsely prosecute and harass the tea party and conservative political groups that opposed the Obama administration.
How do we know that the groups were "conservative?" Just two days after her email to Flax, Lerner admitted in an email to a Washington Post reporter that she "can't confirm that there was anyone on the other side of the political spectrum" targeted by the IRS.
In short, it was a politically motivated witch hunt.
"These new emails show that the day before she broke the news of the IRS scandal, Lois Lerner was talking to a top Obama Justice Department official about whether the DOJ could prosecute the very same organizations that the IRS had already improperly targeted," said Tom Fitton, Judicial Watch's president.
"The IRS emails show Eric Holder's Department of Justice is now implicated and conflicted in the IRS scandal," he added.
Moreover, the IRS coordinated some of its attacks against conservatives and the GOP with far-left Democrats in Congress, including Rep. Elijah Cummings of Maryland and Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse of Rhode Island. This wasn't isolated; it was a campaign.
President Obama told Fox News in February that there wasn't "even a smidgen of corruption" in what the IRS did. The corruption is there, Mr. President, and it demands a prosecution. The only remaining question is whether the rot extends to your office, too.
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