Ask Me Help Desk - Keystone XL Pipeline

well it's a possibility, saturated growing environments, but more than that carbon is useful, sometimes the way it is used is highly polluting, like refining silicon surely we can find a way to use the gas instead of the raw element, or as an additive to steel. the steel industry was revolutionised by oxygen lancing why not carbon dioxide lancing. We are too set in our thought patterns, looking for incremental solutions, bound up in a science which is actually repeating what we have already done. If we can make ships out of steel we can make ships out of carbon and then......................

What Are the Uses of Carbon Dioxide Gas? | eHow

http://www.psr.org/assets/pdfs/coals...-chapter-2.pdf

yes tal done the research looking to go beyond

I'm an environmentalist too, but I find the mindless, knee-jerk opposition by extremists to the pipeline is embarrassing, and will cause reasonable environmentalists to not be taken seriously in the future. Pipelines are not perfect, but are much safer than shipping oil by rail, look at the disaster in Quebec. I'm mad at Obama for leaving Canada hanging like this, I wish Canada could retaliate with some kind of sanctions, but that won't happen.

earl ,pipe it to Vancouver and hope the next American adm don't have their heads up their arse . The emperor has back stabbed most American allies . You should not be surprised that he does it to Canada too.

Yes why not take the shorter route to the west coast obviously america doesn't need another pipeline

The emperor decided to delay the Keystone decision until after the elections ... they are cheering in the Kremlin.

don't see the problem here, there already is a pipeline that runs all the way from Canada to the gulf, augmenting it shouldn't cause a problem. the route includes other pipelines, either you want the business or you don't

Actually Tom it was a judge that held up the works.

Keystone Decision Delayed by U.S. Over Nebraska Court Case (1) - Businessweek

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The pipeline's path in Nebraska, one of three states the northern leg of Keystone would cross, was thrown into doubt in February when a state judge invalidated legislation that let the Republican governor approve the path. The judge said that only the state Public Service Commission -- an agency created to take politics out of decisions involving the taking of land for private projects -- had that power. His decision has been appealed to the Nebraska Supreme Court.

actually this has nothing to do with the court and everything to do with mid-term elections . The emperor of course will use any excuse because he has a divided constituency on this ....The enviro-wackos want it stopped at all cost ,and his union constituency want it approved because of the jobs. He has delayed a decision for over 5 years now ,so to say some court case is the cause for the delay is a ruse .

Tom there is no hurry you have all the time in the world, afterall if that do nothing congress couldn't get it done, nobody will. Meanwhile you keep the oil on the american continent, you might need it

I believe that commerce creates jobs. Although I love the idea of complete energy independence ,I also think being an energy exporter would help remedy the trade imbalance. Geopolitically ,I think it's critical to end the energy dominance of the ME nations ,Russia ,and other various despots .

look you go for independence and let them serve the Chinese market, the smog will eventually bury them, just a twist on the Marxist maxim, we will sell the last communist the oil to drown himself, just not our oil

For guys who holler states rights you sure get pissed when a state exercises its right. Funny how you want the Emperor to circumvent the decisions of Nebraska.

I never holler 'states rights' .States don't have rights ;people do. States have powers. The Federal Government has limited enumerated powers ;and the States are prohibited from exercising some powers . ALL the rest are designated to the States by the Constitution. btw ,what part of the Article 1 Sec 8 clause 3 don't you understand ? The Constitution gives Congress the power to (regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, ..... ). For once the Commerce clause will be properly employed by the Feds. But I agree that powerful special interests support the anti-pipeline coalition . I expect unfortunately that Keystone will be another issue decided by the Imperial SCOTUS .

LOL, and there are no special interest groups fighting for Keystone? The governor tried an end run around state law in Nebraska, and lost and the appeal process is the next lawful step. TransCanada hasn't even said they would sell any oil to the US.

And states do have rights, the right to use their powers in their own interest. Will it go to the Supreme court? Not likely this year.

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Will it go to the Supreme court? Not likely this year.

Not this year .Their docket is full. So the emperor gets his way again.. Doing well by doing nothing . If it fractures his coalition ,it aint his problem either since he really doesn't care who runs Congress ,and he doesn't really care who the next POTUS is.

I wouldn't worry about the democratic coalition when there are bigger fish to fry. This is but one issue to be debated and resolved. You won't hear Keystone as much as you will hear Benghazi, and even louder more repeal of the ACA this summer.

If I were the Dems I would . The emperor put a knife in the back of the coalition with the Keystone delay ,and the upcoming Cadillac Tax in Obamacare . The private unions are ripe for the picking of any conservative candidate who can reforge the Reagan coalition.

I doubt that Tom. Wishful conservative thinking at this point.

even the Compost editorial board concluded that further delays is insanity
Keystone XL’s continued delay is absurd - The Washington Post

Opinions mean nothing in the context of policy and procedure of the citizens of the state of Nebraska. They are following their own state constitution. Hell if Nebraska was trying to tell NY what's best for them you would talk about them like a dog.

Sort of like Georgia with its new gun laws?

Except this pipeline involves interstate commerce....so its not exclusively up to one state. It neither starts nor ends in that one state

I gave my opinion of Georgia, and called them crazy. Keystone goes through Nebraska, they have a say. Eminent Domain, and the rights of passage, and progress by government state, local, or business is a way of life in America. You take the money, fight for more, or go to court, or all the above.

Its a process, NOT an event.

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I gave my opinion of Georgia, and called them crazy. Keystone goes through Nebraska, they have a say. Eminent Domain, and the rights of passage, and progress by government state, local, or business is a way of life in America. You take the money, fight for more, or go to court, or all the above.

Its a process, NOT an event.

Historical and legal precidence has shown interstate commerce concerns trump individual states rights to deny something...because those are Federal.

Not in this case. Individual states have to issue a permit before the feds can take any action, other than render an opinion,which is NOT binding until said permits are issued. The only thing the feds can do is give final approval to cross the border. These are NOT federal lands but private ones.

When it comes to interstate commerce... and one state doing its best to prevent it... the feds can simply overrule them on it... and the feds have historically used the Interstate commerce clause to ram through a lot of things that are barely connected to Interstate commerce than this case whch is precicesly all about just that.

For example the crap not long ago involving Mexican truck drivers when state said they were going to block Mexican tagged trucks operating in or passing through their states and the Feds jumped in And claimed otherwise.

I would have thought the government NOT shoving stuff down peoples throats was something you would favor, having railed against it often.

This is one of the very rare times... its something actually good for everyone involved. 99.9% of the time its ramming something down peoples throat virtually nobody wants... like Obamacare or higher taxes.

Obamacare is gaining favorable ground, even in red states that refused to expand medicaid, and nobody's taxes have gone up.

The majority of Democrats don't even like or want it ( and even far fewer independents and Republicans do)... and the numbers have been seriously fudged... few have actually paid for anything yet. And even fewer of them are happy about it or its cost. Everyone's costs are going up... not even Obama is claiming its going to save anyone money like he used to. And the only way anyone is getting a break..is because someone else is getting robbed and forced to pay for it. Very few people believe anything he says... the lame stream media isn't automatically giving him a free pass on everything any more.

Its well known anything he supports or opposes... pivots on who is slipping him the most money. George Soros would cut the gravey train off if he didn't do what he was told.

Crisis in Ukraine... and he's off running to Asia... but then he ran off to a fundraiser rather than deal with Benghazi, who actually expected him to do his job.. I guess another trip to Hawaii is due when he gets back from galavanting around Asia.

you know how it goes; glad handing your trading partners and reassuring the competition. This is the time for cementing Chinese relations, they maybe needed to balance out Russia. There can only be one beneficiary of another european war. Time for the US to get a grip and stop touting that flag around the world

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Opinions mean nothing in the context of policy and procedure of the citizens of the state of Nebraska. They are following their own state constitution. Hell if Nebraska was trying to tell NY what's best for them you would talk about them like a dog.

BS , the specifics of the route has nothing to do with the emperor delaying a policy statement that it's the US intention to complete the pipeline . I already gave you the constitutional premise. God knows the Dems have used the Commerce Clause for all types of government over-reach. In this case it would be the clause used as the Constitution intends it .
The fact is that this has NOTHING to do with the citizens of Nebraska's wishes. Pipelines criss cross the state over the very land that the pipeline will be built.
The only real issue is that the emperor is kow-towing to an extremist constituency ;and their wealthy patrons like Warren Buffett and Tom Steyer.

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you know how it goes; glad handing your trading partners and reassuring the competition. This is the time for cementing Chinese relations, they maybe needed to balance out Russia. There can only be one beneficiary of another european war. Time for the US to get a grip and stop touting that flag around the world

The emperor is in Asia trying to reassure our strategic partners that we have their back against an increasingly more aggressive China. What is disturbing is that his foreign policy has been feckless ,and that is what makes this trip necessary.

It is time to get new foriegn policy objectives, the objectives of the Cold War are no longer good enough

We already know where the emperor would lead us.....from a global power to a hemospheric power ...to a regional ..power ... to a 2nd rate power barely able to defend it's borders.

you are already unable to defend your borders, what is all this carping about defending your borders? We don't need global powers, that is an idea which is last century

Odd since you really need to be worried about Chinas aggression in your own region. Perhaps your country thinks it could deal with it alone?

Back to the subject,

Petroleum coke - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Storage, disposal, and sale[edit]Nearly pure carbon, petcoke is a potent source of carbon dioxide if burned.^[4]
Petroleum coke may be stored in a pile near an oil refinery pending sale. One example, as of 2013, was the large stockpile owned byKoch Carbon near the Detroit River which was produced by a Marathon Petroleum refinery in Detroit which began refining bitumenfrom the oil sands of Alberta in November, 2012. Large stockpiles of petcoke also existed in Canada as of 2013. China and Mexico were markets for petcoke exported from California to be used as fuel. As of 2013 the EPA was declining permits to use petcoke as fuel in the United States but markets existed in India and Latin America where it was used to fuel cement manufacture. As of 2013 Oxbow Corporation, owned by William I. Koch, was a major dealer in petcoke, selling 11 million tons annually.^[5]

Most states have no regulation for the proper storage of this product, and where there is no regulation, there is no consideration for the safety of surrounding communities. Too much to expect a corporation for voluntary common sense safe practice procedures?