WRONG! A nut can shoot up schools, movie theaters, and beauty salons, federal buildings, museums, and political rallies in supermarket parking lots suddenly, and with impunity.
All those conceal and carry permits have stopped NOTHING yet.
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WRONG! A nut can shoot up schools, movie theaters, and beauty salons, federal buildings, museums, and political rallies in supermarket parking lots suddenly, and with impunity.
All those conceal and carry permits have stopped NOTHING yet.
FACT... most recent mass shootings have all been in "gun free zones".
Gun free zones protect the criminal element from being shot by legal gun owners. THey offer no protection to the general public in them.
As is abundently clear over the course of history... the criminal elemnet isn't deterred by what any law might say.
YOU can't prove your claim that no single crime has ever NOT been prevented by a concielded carry permit holder. In fact I challenge you to try.
There are thousands of recorded cases where they have... some of them on video. I'd link some right now but unfortunately the corporate firewall blocks the searchs on that topic from the office.
Is that why some places are making guns legal in bars, churches, and schools, and you can shoot first and ask questions later if you FEEL threatened or afraid?
Funny how everyplace that has relaxed gun restrictions a significantdrop in crime has resulted.
And yet places where the opposite applies... Like Chicago... remain with sky high violent crime rates.
Lot of good those anti-gun laws do there... huh?
15 minutes before assistance arrived . There is no argument against that fact . When seconds count the police are minutes away.Quote:
Everyone else was basically unarmed and the shooters knew it.
what is missing here is that the population hasn't got the message that using guns isn't an acceptable solution to solve your problems and it will only get that message if the right to own a firearm is restricted. So whileever the status quo remains you will have these incidents and large number of people will loose their lives because of gun violence. Sometimes you have to give up "rights" so everyone can be safe
The last few decades here we've been trying that approach, which is a total reversal from one that was effective. The effective approach was called "education." At one point in America nearly every sixth grade (13 year olds, plus/minus) class had a Firearms safety and Marksmanship program presented by NRA certified instructors. (Cue argument about Benjamin Spock, Teachers' Unions, and the NRA) If we get back to that, where going to the range is viewed by kids the same way taking out the garbage or cleaning their room is, firearms will lose their patina of "cool" and we can then do something about the overuse of Ritalin and Ambien that turn soldiers and students into maniacs.
yes you could do a lot of things to keep you philosopy going or you could reverse the philosopy and do what others have found to be successful. You see your philosopy was created by a frontier society of a few million people, but now you are an urban society of many millions. If you started again today, you would not allow free access to weapons, that right would need to be earned and justified
You see I was trained to use firearms in an environment you speak of, military cadets, but that didn't stop me from doing stupid things with guns before I matured. I have not felt the need to own a weapon for many years because I don't have a use for one, the society I live in is peaceful with a low level of gun violence. I also no longer find the urge to kill something for sport
I'm not giving up MY rights... nor are the majority of Americans going to... not to the group of people that think we don't have a right to guns (which we do in the constitution) but do think we do have a right to unlimited use of illegal illicit drugs (which we DON'T under federal law).
I was talking about 1970, when the population was over 213,000,000. That qualifies as the "many millions," I should think.
Our "philosophy" was created in response to the abuses of YOUR (at the time) government. To this day a good many Americans regard all governments as somewhat illegitimate.
your sense of history is a little out, our nation came into being after you had that little fracass over there so we didn't have a government at the time but the aboriginees, a primative society in charge at that time, all carried weapons for hunting. Right from the start the carrying of weapons was not the norm in this nation with the result that a peaceful society developed, this was a response to what had happened in your nation.
I understand your long history of violence and war on that continent in the early days, you are a victim of history and paranoid thinking
Yes mad George had a lot of problems in those days and was fighting a world wide war of which the theatres of action in the americas was only part. He sought to solve some of his problems by starting a new colony, something akin in those days to colonising Mars. The people who were sent here didn't expect to come back and being mainly of a criminal class were not permitted to have arms. This meant that when rebellion came as it inevietably did, it was quickly put down, you see the English had learned from their mistakes and there were no French and Spanish to cheer on the revolt. Also we didn't need to conquer the continent as the natives quickly surrcumbed to grog and disease. In fact what had to conquered was the terrian
It is interesting that a youth resorted to using a knife in an attack on fellow students. It seems this might not have been premeditated but it was good that someone carrying a gun didn't shoot him.
We can assume that the carrying of knives was banned at that high school, however for the young, rules are made to be broken. The comment I want to make is very obvious. Despite many injuries no one died, had the fellow possessed a gun undoubtedly many would have died. This is truly the other side of the gun, when guns aren't present fewer people die
I used to do some electronic Engineering work in that town for a while... a couple decades ago. I know that area fairly well.
and.. ... is there some insight on this incident you want to share?
Nope... not really... I blame it on the politically coprrect movement and the people who don't believe in punishing kids who misbehave.
We used to be allowed to have knives when I was in school.., you was almost obligated by the guy code to make at least one hunting knife as a metalshop project, and nobody ever thought of doing that to anyone else... you could have two guys with knife have a fight... and they would never come out of their pockets... it was mano a mano... if you got your butt whipped you were a man and accepted it.
Yes not many men around these days, we could come up with some reasons but there might be objections. It is the result of living in a matriachal society
time to ban assault knives .
Yeah, lets go back to throwing rock, and using sticks to solve our problems, and deal with the nuts who have BIG issues.
Hey, there's an idea! Dealing with people and their problems would seem a better approach than regulating what tools they use when they go off. Or we could ban guns, then knives, then fertilizer and fuel, then bleach and baking soda, then peaches, then... ad infinitum.
This all started going downhill when they emptied out the insane assylums and turned the loons loose on the public. After all they have a right to be free to do this sort of thing to us... but we don't have a right to be protected from them doing it.
Yes , and that we do... unless you live in Chicago, or NYC. But they are working hard to take away that ability and right. They don't believe there should be any law abiding citizens owning weapons... much less having the right to carry them, except the goons and thugs loyal to their party.
continuum, yes an appropriate term for a never ending problum
I suggest it is an infinitely better solution to allowing the use of firearms, as soon as someone picks up a rock you can arrest him whereas if someone picks up a gun you cannot, afterall there is no right to possess "rocks". Of course a rather stupid body would quickly define the possession of rocks as arms indicating just how many rocks they have in their head. It will never catch on since rocks are freely available to all
yep rocks can be freely sold or exchanged
And quite a few polititians seem to have been born with them rattling around in their heads.
several gun web sites are reporting that Eric Holder ,in testimony about the fiscal budget made this statement about increaded spending on a program that in his words would “ ...will double the capacity of the existing
NICS [National Instant Check System] system. These expansions are vital in ensuring that the NICS system can support a Universal Background Check requirement, which is expected to double gross NICS transactions.”
These sites also say that he requested $51 million and 255 agents for the purpose of copying 4473 forms. I can't find the transcripts of the hearing ,or any other independent reporting on this. We already know that Congress (including the Dem led Senate ) has rejected legislation that would create universal registry . But that has never stopped the emperor before. It appears if these reports are true ,that Holder is laying the infrastructure ground work for some future legislation....or executive fiat.
It's fact that people cross state lines to buy guns. I think the 50 states should be on the same page and instantly know when a gun is being purchased by anyone before being allowed to buy it.
Don't you think Texas should know the fool from New York is trying to buy a gun?
I think EVERY state should be forced to recognise and accept the Conciealed carry permits issued by another state.
Nobody from NY is allowed to buy guns in Texas or any other state now. All deliveries have to happen through a FFL holder in the home state of the buyer. And has to follow all legal requirements, federal and local.
THis fantasy people have of walking into any gunshop in another state and walking out with 50 guns is complete bunk... unless that's a gun shop run buy Eric Holder and the Department of inJustice.
Start with the truth. States that have recipricol rights have made agreements where in neighboring states it IS legal to buy a gun. That type of purchase only applies to long guns not hand guns. There can not be a private sale in another state of any kind of long gun nor hand gun. The only restrictions would be that set by the state as to the amount of guns you can buy.
I did speak the truth... you can not go into a state you do not reside.. purchase and carry out a gun... either a long gun or a hand gun.
They have to ship it to a licensed dealer in your home state where they complete the paperwork.
I've bought three riflles that way over the years where the shops selling the guns were actually closer than the shop I had to ship them to in my state to take delivery of them..
And thats been over the last 20 years....its not something new.
Wow you are behind the time. You can buy long guns from out of state dealers (ffl).
Q: From whom may an unlicensed person acquire a firearm under the GCA?A person may only acquire a firearm within the person’s own State, except that he or she may purchase or otherwise acquire a rifle or shotgun, in person, at a licensee’s premises in any State, provided the sale complies with State laws applicable in the State of sale and the State where the purchaser resides. A person may borrow or rent a firearm in any State for temporary use for lawful sporting purposes.
[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(3) and (5), 922(b)(3), 27 CFR 478.29 and 478.30]
Firearms - Frequently Asked Questions - Unlicensed Persons | ATF
Then a lot of dealers are refusing to follow that because I wasn't allowed to take delivery on any them outside of my home state, I had to pay to ship them, and pay the other dealer to deal with the paperwork...(the lower prices I got on them justified the cost however), they were not bought at the same dealer or on the same date.. And none of the dealers around here will sell anything but ammunition to out of state purchacers. Unless the dealer they are shipping it to another dealer in that persons state.
And thats in Virginia....the state that the gun grabbing lobby is so fond of singling out. But also in Pennsylvania and Maryland (before the recent draconian law)
I'd pull up some links backing that up... if the corporate firewall didn't flash I violation for a category of weapons... meaning I can't do it until later tonight.
I'd rather do private purchaces however because the only reason Big Brother needs to know who has what...is so they have a list of what to take when they start grabbing guns.
today billionaire ,former Mayor Nanny Bloomy pledged $50 million to fight the NRA in the political arena . Let's hear the left condemn money in politics now .
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