IN other words you have no answer to my post, just more BS.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
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IN other words you have no answer to my post, just more BS.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
What is it you want America to wake up too? Wingers dumbing down America, or dumb wingers thinking everybody else is dumb?
Okay I agree with both your BS points.
Roger Simon has the solution to the crisis, if only Ted Cruz and Boehner drowned.
Yeah that was harsh, a$$hole. What would save America is if idiots like you would shut the hell up.Quote:
Question: If Ted Cruz and John Boehner were both on a sinking ship, who would be saved?
Answer: America.
Read more: Government shutdown unleashes racism - Roger Simon - POLITICO.com
So where is the TParty tolerance and diversity?
Cruz is Hispanic, Palin is a woman, and Mia Love is a black woman, and as far as I know none of them have wished death on their opponents or tried to outlaw the name of a privately owned business.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Actually speech it was a good piece even if it focused on Boehner's fringe benefits. You want to save america, let democracy work, you remember democracy, voice of the people stuff, majority and all thatQuote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
That's a thing of the past over there. Thanks to market driven values the most money is what makes the rules.Quote:
you remember democracy, voice of the people stuff, majority and all that
It's a good thing Canada doesn't have any of those problems.
We are very strict rules and low amounts allowed. Look it up.
Does anyone other than Greece have these problemsQuote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I shouldn't have asked.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Meet The 'Assassination Market' Creator Who's Crowdfunding Murder With Bitcoins - Forbes
Well now we know what the republicans want to deal with issues. The free market is working well.Quote:
six targets have been submitted by users, and bounties have been collected ranging from ten bitcoins for the murder of NSA director Keith Alexander and 40 bitcoins for the assassination of President Barack Obama
So now the ankle biter is calling Republicans murderers.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
FYI, He isn't very popular with Democrats right now either.
If the shoe fits.Quote:
calling Republicans murderers.
Thank you for your thoughtful response.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
So what exactly did we get in this deal with Iran besides a momentary changing of the subject and an increasingly botoxed John Kerry on the tube?
you get to concentrate on the real issues, not those thought up by the Israeli's and the Saudi's
In case you have forgotten
Syria
Palestine
North Korea
Afghanistan/Pakistan
we know those are all too hard but I think it interesting that once it could be shown there could be a more reasonable solution to Syrian Gas stockpiles, a reasonable solution to Iran was found
I see.
Hello again, Steve:
I WOULD explain it, but I see that you're TOO invested in your hate for Kerry and/or Obama to understand my explanation, or EVEN consider it.Quote:
So what exactly did we get in this deal with Iran besides a momentary changing of the subject and an increasingly botoxed John Kerry on the tube
excon
'HOPE' worthy of another Nobel Peace Prize. The more interesting question is what did Iran get ? The answer to that is more time to violate existing sanctions while spinning their 18,000 uranium centrifuges ;build up their stockpile of enriched uranium ,weaponize and miniaturize it .Prior to that ,the US position was that Iran cease it's activity . Now the US recognizes their "right " to enrich . That is a fundamental change in US policy . And a final agreement will include a "mutually defined enrichment program.Quote:
So what exactly did we get in this deal with Iran besides a momentary changing of the subject and an increasingly botoxed John Kerry on the tube?
Also included in the deal is Iran legitimacy in the international community .No longer is it a 'rogue state ' .
For that recognition ,the US agrees to suspend and cease enforcement of sanctions aimed at enforcing a ceasation of uranium enrichment and nuclear weapon development . (an economic gain conservatively estimated at $7 billion. ) They suffer no strategic changes . It's a win-win for them ....and they don't have to change their behavior at all in exchange.
Where there was a consensus that their activity had to cease ;even enforced at the point of the sword; now there is no military threat for them to fear . They now know that if Israel (which correctly views the Iran nuke program as an existential threat ) will be on it's own as far as US support. At best Israel may be able to convince the Saudi's and the Gulf states ,and /or maybe the Turks ,that they should be strategic partners against the Iran threat . But the world will not support an attack on the Iran nuke program if there is an agreement that allows them to proceed .
There are plenty of Democrats skeptical of this deal as well so don't condescend to me with that pathetic hatred of Obama nonsense. Besides I've said many times he's a likeable guy but his policies are worthy of my scorn. That's one of the great things about "we the people," I don't have to LIKE what the idiots in Washington do and have (for now) the right to criticize them. But I shouldn't have to explain that to you.Quote:
I WOULD explain it, but I see that you're TOO invested in your hate for Kerry and/or Obama to understand my explanation, or EVEN consider it.
Now, what exactly did we get in this deal, because unlike you I don't trust states who sponsor terror, hope for the total annihilation of the Jews and vows to never stop enriching uranium like you do.
P.S. Here's one that isn't too keen on the emperor's deal, Schmucky Schumer.
VIDEO: Sen. Schumer at OHEL Dinner: Dems and GOP United To Oppose Iran Deal
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It's disappointing to me that Iran is still going to be allowed to enrich while they're talking. I would have thought that should be a prerequisite to any kind of talks. We're not asking them to dismantle any of their centrifuges. So that's disappointing,
Rep Eliot Engel to Candy Crowley of CNN
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The disproportionality of this agreement makes it more likely that Democrats and Republicans will join together and pass additional sanctions when we return in December,
Sen Chuck Schumer .
Hello again, Steve:
Here's the thing you right wingers miss. Diplomacy has NOTHING to do with trust.Quote:
Now, what exactly did we get in this deal, because unlike you I don't trust states who sponsor terror, like you do.
If Reagan waited until he TRUSTED the Russians before he dealt with them, the world would be WAYYYY different...
If Reagan didn't negotiate with the Iranian hostage takers (who I'll bet he DIDN'T trust) our hostages would probably be DEAD...
I'd TURN off that radio and think a little bit. You ARE smarter than Rush Limprod.
excon
Alrighty then.
By the way, this is what I listen to.
That of course does not answer the question about what Iran has to give up as part of the deal. This negotiation is at best ..... we see you are violating the terms of the sanctions ... soy you just go ahead and do that while we wait 6 months and ease the sanctions in the HOPE that in 6 months we can make a deal .Quote:
Here's the thing you right wingers miss. Diplomacy has NOTHING to do with trust.
If Reagan waited until he TRUSTED the Russians before he dealt with them, the world would be WAYYYY different...
If Reagan didn't negotiate with the Iranian hostage takers (who I'll bet he DIDN'T trust) our hostages would probably be DEAD...
I'd TURN off that radio and think a little bit. You ARE smarter than Rush Limprod.
excon
When it comes to Assad, the truth hurts
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It seems that when we can't face the truth, we devise our own. America did this in Iraq, believing that all civilized people when given a choice will become Jeffersonian democrats. We did not bargain on Iraqi factions having little interest in our conception of liberty or governance.
We could not fathom the Arab Spring turning into the deep freeze of the Arab Winter. Surely, after decades of repression, hundreds of millions of people in the Middle East would settle for nothing less than their turn at New England town meetings. Once more, through self-delusion, the truth was hidden from us.
Which brings us to Syria. Yes, we know that much of Assad's known chemical weapons cache has been neutralized--but at a staggering price. For the foreseeable future we empower this barbarian in a suit to continue to rule. Realpolitik? Better the devil we know? Should we take pride that this war criminal's capacity to inflict harm on his people has been severely diminished?
Perhaps one of Assad's hi-tech arrows from his quiver of horrors has been disabled, but never underestimate the capacity for evil.
Even as the "civilized" world congratulated itself on degrading Assad's WMD, Syria's president turned to one of the oldest and most gruesome tools of war, borrowed from antiquity. Assad is laying siege to his own citizens, slowly and painfully starving them to death. Michel Kilo, a leader in the National Coalition for Syrian Revolutionary and Opposition Forces reports that after failing to oust rebels from the al-Ghouta and al-Homs regions, Assad began implementing a program of deliberate starvation. Agents took whatever food they could find off shelves. Portals to the region were sealed off. Prices of staples such as sugar and rice initially skyrocketed. By now there is none to buy at any price. People are dying of hunger. Kilo spoke of a mother who gave birth and expired within days, not having eaten for ten days before delivery. Her baby, never having been fed, soon followed. Kilo estimates that "the shadow of death hovers over nearly two million people."
The biblical verse in Lamentations comes to mind. "More fortunate were those who succumbed to the sword, than those who succumbed to hunger."
How terrifying for the victims to know that word of their suffering has reached the outside world, yet no one seems to care. Once again in the Middle East, very old and the very new terrors embrace in a macabre dance of death.
The Internet exposes every pixel of reality, save the Truth. Truth itself has become a casualty, having to hide its face from our delusions, incapable of looking helpless innocents in the face.
In Syria, self-delusion feeds on deep-seated enmities that skewer reality. Mr. Kilo accompanied his horrific report with analysis of who is responsible for the mass starvation. Predictably, the Great Satan is Israel. The Western powers, he asserts, could intervene on behalf of beleaguered Syrians but choose not to because only Israel's security is important everyone else be damned.
It is a measure of the entrenched hatred in the Middle East that this Syrian opposition figure, with the courage to stand up to Assad's tyranny doesn't have the capacity to acknowledge what is before him in plain sight. One of the few places that Syrians can and do turn for assistance is Israel. Near the border it shares with a country with which it is still technically at war, Israel has been treating injured Syrians for months. Israeli doctors volunteer there; many give up their weekends with family and friends, and head for the field hospital in the Golan Heights, where they treat wounded civilians and soldiers alike. No identities are revealed, no payment required. There is something terribly wrong when people whose own loved ones are endangered cannot recognize good, while the rest of us can't recognize evil.
Nowhere are the stakes higher than in negotiations between Western diplomats and a nuclearizing Tehran. And nothing can be more dangerous for world peace than our capacity for self-delusion.
Rabbi Abraham Cooper is associate dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center where Rabbi Yitzchok Adlerstein is director of interfaith relations.
'Historic mistake': Israelis, Republicans condemn Iran nuclear deal - World News
It's a process, we can always restore sanctions and make them even tougher. Or bomb them to hell. This deal is but a small step in the right direction. Build trust, but verify actions. Talking often gets better results than hollering, calling names, and throwing rocks.Quote:
The deal stipulates that Iran will commit to halt uranium enrichment above 5 percent and also to neutralize its stockpile of near-20 percent uranium. The Islamic Republic has also committed to halt progress on its enrichment capacity. Iran will also halt work at its plutonium reactor and provide access to nuclear inspectors.
In exchange, the United States and its allies have agreed to offer Iran "modest relief" from economic sanctions and access to a portion of the revenue that the country has been denied through these sanctions. No new sanctions will be imposed.
There is no basis for this trust . This is the same Kabuki dance we've done with the NORKS . Well now they've detonated a nuke test and have launched 3 stage rockets into lower orbit and still we HOPE we can cut a deal with them .
Being stupid just to change the subject and pat yourself on the back is not a good thing. I'm always amazed at how you lefties trust terrorists but not your neighbors, you think the Tea Party is the greatest threat in the world, not dictators bent on world domination.
When it comes to Assad, the truth hurts: Column
Most people know this dictator and his daddy before him were brutal.
and the 12ers running Iran aren't ? I'm suprised our partners in the P5+1 didn't bring up all the known terrorist activites initiated in Europe and around the world by the gang running Iran.... like the Mykonos restaurant assassinations ,the Buenos Aires assassination ,or the attempted assassination of the Saudi Ambassador in Washington DC .Quote:
Most people know this dictator and his daddy before him were brutal.
China can't control them either.Quote:
There is no basis for this trust . This is the same Kabuki dance we've done with the NORKS . Well now they've detonated a nuke test and have launched 3 stage rockets into lower orbit and still we HOPE we can cut a deal with them .
We don't trust terrorist, nor do we think you are the greatest threat in the world, nor do we change the subject. You are but one thing to be coped with, there are many others, but don't worry we will get back to whatever you are hollering about, and throwing rocks at.Quote:
Being stupid just to change the subject and pat yourself on the back is not a good thing. I'm always amazed at how you lefties trust terrorists but not your neighbors, you think the Tea Party is the greatest threat in the world, not dictators bent on world domination.
Stupid is being stuck on one thing, and ignoring other things. You have to multitask... walk and chew bubble gum, to break it down. Guns and bombs are not the ONLY solution. And you can't just shoot at anything you are afraid of.
Coming from the side who couldn't cobble together a working website with almost 4 years to do it I think I'd go easy on that line of insults.
ummm that would be a "I rest my case " .Quote:
China can't control them either.
I highly suggest you both buckle up, as the whole world is accelerating to a new reality as knowledge increases. Try and keep up. You have become to heavy too drag into the future.
Hollering, screaming, and throwing rocks, is not sufficient, or an effective means of problem solving. Nor is criticizing without an alternative. If the so called alternatives you have so far put forth have not gained sufficient support to carry them forward, then you should rethink them.
Comes back to that vote again doesn't it?
Alrighty then, good luck with that. I guess you haven't heard "I told you so" enough lately.
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Robert Zarate, the policy director for the Foreign Policy Initiative, a think tank that has supported more sanctions on Iran, said the deal signed in Geneva was dangerous. "We're another step closer to a nuclear-1914 scenario in the Middle East or elsewhere, Zarate said. If we cannot say 'no' to Iran -- a country, by the way, that's repeatedly violated the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, international nuclear inspections and U.N. Security Council resolutions -- then good luck getting countries who haven't broken any rules, including some of America's allies and partners, to refrain from getting enrichment and reprocessing or, perhaps eventually, nuclear weapons."
So we shouldn't see getting international inspectors into Iran as a positive step of verification? Or recognize it was the sanctions that made them willing to talk? Or keep using the sanctions and inspections as a measure to see if they obey the agreements?
Nothing says we have stopped pushing for more, and at the speed that congress works, 6 months is about right to know what the NEXT step should be. To take NO steps is NOT an option, and we can argue with that all you want.
There are no quick easy fixes. No magic strategy.
The UN has a great track record of gettin' 'r done, and it is the Democrat-controlled Senate that is hinting at throwing the emperor under the bus on this. I'm just sayin'...
I can wait and see what the senate will do. I don't see a vote for anything this week, or NEXT. Just my opinion, I would add more pressure if Iran doesn't honor the present agreements in the next 6 months. If they wouldn't let inspectors in NOW, I would be hollering foul.
But that's just ME.
Oh I'm sure that the lefties will be on board calling new sanctions the work of the Jewish lobby. Anyway ,you like bipartisanship . I can assure you that any sanctions passed in the Senate will have broad bipartisan support .
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