So you are suggesting a straw purchase? What is the punishment for that now? I can't remember... 10 years and $25,000?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
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So you are suggesting a straw purchase? What is the punishment for that now? I can't remember... 10 years and $25,000?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I can read perfectly fine. I comprehend well too. I just don't twist words to my liking.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Steve does it every day in Current Events, better keep an eye on him.Quote:
I just don't twist words to my liking.
I know he does NK. He just likes to argue.
Wow, I'm not even in on the discussion and you're hating on me? What a pathetic jerk.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Damn it there's no "Like" button. :)
Bless you son.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
You are a glutton for punishment aren't you?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Exxon is also Steve. Guess I got you both mixed up. My bad.
Why don't you give it a try at a few places and let us know what happens... Unless of course you aren't so sure of your interpretation.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, smoothy:
This is a PERFECT example of your INABILITY to READ... I didn't lay out an interpretation. I asked a question.Quote:
Unless of course you aren't so sure of your interpretation.
Go argue with somebody on the plants page. Maybe you can fool them.
Excon
You are ranting again...Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
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Originally Posted by smoothy
I'm guessing you aren't very sure of your position. Or you would give it a try.
Hello again, smoothy:
So, you couldn't even understand the post above yours? Let me say again, and for the last time, I don't HAVE a position. I HAD a question.Quote:
I'm guessing you aren't very sure of your position.
But, I'm tired of arguing with the wall. I'm DONE!
Excon
I have suggested nothing, I am telling you this goes on all over the country. Its reality. Another reality is people go to the pawn shop all the time, to trade guns for money, or to get a gun for money. Trade shows too.Quote:
Originally Posted by J_9
Now you can ignore the fact there are ways to get what you want in this country by hook or crook, but that doesn't change the fact its happening. 2 million felons in jail that get out in sprinkles and you think they are rehabbed and ready to obey the law? Come on, a guys got to eat and defend himself in the real world.
And you worry about a guy being caught lying on an application. I know what the law says and it only applies to law abiding citizens. An excon who wants a gun has other options beside your way and we know them and crazy people get what they want and by the time the law catches up to them, they have already done what they wanted to do.
To answer your question ex, hell yeah they will put you in jail for trying to buy a gun, when they catch you.
No law stops people from doing stuff, just punishes you after you have done bad stuff.
Convicted felon charged with trying to buy weapon at Bristol Twp. gun store - phillyburbs.com: BensalemQuote:
Originally Posted by excon
Your argument doesn't hold water... here is one example of someone that went to jail for trying.
And another..
http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/lo...a4bcf6878.html
And another..
http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2013/...denied-record/
Hurray, they got one.
Hello again, wall
Once more, I HAVE no argument. I HAD a question.Quote:
Your argument doesn't hold water... here is one example of someone that went to jail for trying.
Go be stupid on the relationship page. I'm tired of it here.
Excon
Still ranting?. if you are that certain that I and the others are worng... go make applications in several gun stores...Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
I showed three examples of felons that actually WERE arrested just for attempting to buy a gun... in different states.
Yea but not for simply filling an application:Quote:
I showed three examples of felons that actually WERE arrested just for attempting to buy a gun.
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... tried to persuade numerous federally licensed firearms dealers to sell him a gun privately and without a background check
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tried to buy a gun from two different firearms dealers but denied his felony record on one of the applications... faces a felony charge of providing false information to purchase a weapon or firearm.
Can't YOU read either... they applied... when their checks were done flagging them as felons they were arrested.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
They applied to BUY a gun.. filling out the form... they never actually GOT the gun.
And those where three different people... the first three I came across... no cherry picking.
Exactly WHAT purpose would a felon have for filling out the form? Except to commit what ammounts to a crime.
Some Felons are willing to take that chance... and go back to the big house... I don't think excon wants to do that. Because I think he's smarter than those others.
Yea, I didn't think you'd understand.
Its obvious to everyone you don't. But then you are from a country that really has no gun rights to speak of.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Your ignorance knows no bounds.Quote:
But then you are from a country that really has no gun rights to speak of.
" It's clear that a felon CAN'T own a gun. If he applies, he'll be turned down. Some people think the act of applying when you're NOT eligible, is its own separate crime. I don't understand WHY that is. Can you splain that to me?"
You want us to explain why some think applying is a crime?
Kind of tough assignment, Ex. Expaining why others think what they think.
Here is Connecticut's application to be completed by the potential buyer and the seller's agent. I picked CT's form because it was the easiest to find and has a recent revised date:
http://www.ct.gov/despp/lib/despp/sl...s/dps-67-c.pdf
But CT has I think one of the most stringent laws in the nation now, although MD just enacted their new law Oct. 1 and it requires fingerprinting before purchase of a handgun.
If you review the CT form you will see that there are numerous questions about previous convictions. The applicant acknowledges that providing false information is a felony very clearly.
The seller's agent is advised that if the applicant has answered yes to certain questions on the form that the applicant MAY be prohibited from purchasing the weapon.
It appears to me that if the applicant answers all the questions on the form accurately and honestly, he/she will not be violating CT's law. The use of the words MAY BE PROHIBITED implies that it is not clear that everyone who has been convicted of the crimes identified on the form, can't buy a gun.
It also appears to me that "some people" are wrong when they think that applying (at least in CT) when you think you MAY NOT BE ELIGIBLE, is a crime.
Perhaps CT takes into consideration that someone may have been convicted and later exonerated and relies on the official background check to pick that up- don't know- but if merely checking yes in a box disqualified the applicant the seller's agent would be advised to not submit the form. Instead the agent is advised that the purchase MAY be denied.
MD had so many people wanting to buy guns before the new law went into effect that the state police (MSP) had to farm out review of applications to clerks in other state employee divisions such as highways and health dept.
Dealers were selling and releasing weapons without completion of the background checks as they are allowed to do if they don't get an answer with x days. MSP went out and retrieved some of those weapons when they realized what had happened as the background check was finally completed.
Every state is different. That's about the only blanket true statement that can be made about the USA.
So what else is newQuote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Wasn't that the glitch in the background check talks? Some states are making gun buying easier, and some don't cooperate with other states in a national background check. In most cases, if you take a car ride, you can buy a gun, and take it home. A strict law doesn't matter if the next state or the next one over can sell a gun like candy.
Where do you think all those guns in Chicago come from? HINT: It ain't Chicago.
I think they are made in the USA, just a thought
Do you have proof of this as it is my experience that it is not as easy as candy. That is just something that libs like to throw out there. Other then committing an illegal act where are you saying its so easy to cross state lines to buy a weapon ?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Chicago into Indiana, right around the curve of the lake. For illegal-in-Illinois fireworks too.Quote:
Originally Posted by cdad
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...gun-trafficker
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/1...lice-find.html
Neither of the articles you posted show where legal purchaes were made and retained.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
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