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That's what you get after 5 years of name calling and dirty tricks and obstruction of his agenda, appointments and just about everything you could throw at him. And still after 2 elections you expect him to kiss YOUR butts.

That's outrageous. Keep celebrating your shutdown and be happy like Ted C, and Michelle B. and Sarah P. and Rush L.

Ironic that after 8 years of Bush and a president, Pelosi and Reid calling us terrorists and anarchists, refusing to negotiate on anything you would make such an outlandish comment.

As one Tea Party congressman just said, Clinton didn't intentionally antagonize Republicans. I would add that Bush didn't intentionally antagonize Democrats, and I'd say that Obama's problem is he doesn't even pretend to be the president of all Americans, he thinks it's all about him. So spare me your nonsensical rants.

Hello again,

So, it looks to ME like the Republicans got their a$$'s handed to them. Their shutdown gave them NOTHING except a potential loss of the their majority in the House.

Will you please correct me and tell me how you won?

excon

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Hello again,

So, it looks to ME like the Republicans got their a$$'s handed to them. Their shutdown gave them NOTHING except a potential loss of the their majority in the House.

Will you please correct me and tell me how you won??

excon

So, like Dingy Harry and the WH it was all about winning. Screw the country, just win, baby.

Thought this was interesting:

http://www.themorningnews.org/article/the-debt-ceiling

Hello again, Steve:

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So, like Dingy Harry and the WH it was all about winning. Screw the country, just win, baby.

So, you DID lose, huh? Bummer for you.

Look. Since Obama represents the people, and right wingers don't, when HE wins WE ALL win.

Excon

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Hello again, Steve:So, you DID lose. Bummer for you.

Look. Since Obama represents the people, and right wingers don't, when HE wins WE ALL win.

Excon

I did not announce any winners or losers, I spoke of attitudes. As I said above:

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As one Tea Party congressman just said, Clinton didn't intentionally antagonize Republicans. I would add that Bush didn't intentionally antagonize Democrats, and I'd say that Obama's problem is he doesn't even pretend to be the president of all Americans, he thinks it's all about him.

BY all means you can try to show us how he has even tried to be the president to all but he hasn't. He's been the most partisan, divisive president
In my lifetime. You can pretend he isn't but you're only fooling yourself, not us.

I know you aren't stupid (stubborn, yes) so I'm quite certain you can see the intentional pain he's inflicted on Americans to get his way. I doubt you'll admit it, but I know you can see it, and it's a pathetic, shameful way for the 'leader' of the American people to behave.

Hello again, Steve:

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I know you aren't stupid (stubborn, yes) so I'm quite certain you can see the intentional pain he's inflicted on Americans to get his way. I doubt you'll admit it

Apparently, you think I'm a hypocrite, and my partisanship WON'T let me admit it.

Listen here, right winger. I'm going to give YOU a great deal more respect than you just gave me. Here's the FACTS. You are WRONG. Your politics are WRONG. And you're ON the WRONG side.

But, I don't think you're a hypocrite about it.

Excon

I see no "win or loss "at this time . Bonehead threw the emperor a bone and the emperor rejected it. Both sides are now talking.. Did I miss anything else ? When the emperor rejected the 6 week extension of the debt ceiling .Bonehead should've ended the talks then .

I'll tell you where America lost . The emperor using his manufactured crisis to skip the 2 Asian conferences.That was a big loser for the country .

As for the talks ,my biggest concern is that Mitch McConnell will go soft. He represents the worse of the Republic instinct. He's 'Charlie Brown' to the emperor as 'Lucy" ,

Charlie Brown, Lucy and the Football. - YouTube

Hello again, tom:

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Did I miss anything else ?

Uhhh, YEAH!

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The Republican Party has been badly damaged in the ongoing government shutdown and debt limit standoff, with a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll finding that a majority of Americans blame the GOP for the shutdown, and with the party’s popularity declining to its lowest level.

By a 22-point margin (53 percent to 31 percent), the public blames the Republican Party more for the shutdown than President Barack Obama – a wider margin of blame for the GOP than the party received during the poll during the last shutdown in 1995-96.

Excon

Oh yeah .I forgot to reference the poll of the day! If I did then I would've also seen the emperor's ratings tanking.
Would that be the poll that has this weighting ?
43% of Respondents are Democrats and 32% were Republicans. 44% voted for Obama vs 35% for Romney. And 5% did not know who they voted for.
And 22% of those questioned are either Fed ,State ,or local gvt employees .

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Se...s/Oct_poll.pdf
I usually don't quote polls when they favor my position because I don't trust the methodology of the questioning ,and the questions used to make the evaluations. I especially don't trust MSNBCs polling even if they combine their resources with the WSJ . The only part of the WSJ that has much credibility to me is their editorial dept.which has a separate editor from the rest of the publication. And before you say it ;yes I know who owns it... the guy who gave his campaign contributions to the emperor.

Pg 16 and 17 of the pdf.

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Hello again, Steve:
Apparently, you think I'm a hypocrite, and my partisanship WON'T let me admit it.

No, I'm not calling you anything. I think you're a good man but I am disappointed you won't admit to the hyper-partisan ways of this president and the abuses the regime has intentionally perpetrated on its citizens in the last two weeks.

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Listen here, right winger. I'm going to give YOU a great deal more respect than you just gave me. Here's the FACTS. You are WRONG. Your politics are WRONG. And you're ON the WRONG side.

But, I don't think you're a hypocrite about it.

And I think you're wrong, too, but let's stop the charade. We don't hate Obama, we don't hate women, we aren't coming after their tampons or birth control, we don't hate children after their born or want to rape and pillage the poor. Time to grow up and talk like adults.

Hello again, Steve:

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but I am disappointed you won't admit to the hyper-partisan ways of this president and the abuses the regime has intentionally perpetrated on its citizens in the last two weeks.

Here's what you don't get. I have seen NO evidence of Obama INTENTIONALLY perpetrating ANYTHING on his citizens. I don't know WHAT press you're reading that tells you that, but I DON'T read them. And, if I did, I WOULDN'T BELIEVE them. You think, I think LIKE you, but I don't.

What I see, is the damage to the country that you right wingers caused by shutting down the government.. The evidence is CLEAR.

I COULD ask what's wrong with YOU that you don't see it, but I don't think you're a hypocrite.

Excon

Romney and Rove didn't believe the polls either. Seems the only ones blaming the Prez for this shutdown are the right wing TParty types.

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Time to grow up and talk like adults.

I've been saying that for a while now but you just answer by insulting me.

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I've been saying that for a while now but you just answer by insulting me.

When you decide to act like an adult I'll treat you like one.

See?

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Romney and Rove didn't believe the polls either. Seems the only ones blaming the Prez for this shutdown are the right wing TParty types.

Since we are quoting polls... his job approval rating was at 37% last I saw and was dropping into GW territory. The must be a lot of TP types out there .

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since we are quoting polls ....his job approval rating was at 37% last I saw and was dropping into GW territory. The must be alot of TP types out there .

What's Congress's approval rating now?

"Republicans again earned a 17%-approval rating from Americans, the same number from the Quinnipiac University poll conducted last week. Seventy percent of the public disapproves of the party now, down from 74%."

Yup Congress sucks too. Too many beltway Repubics and Dems in it.

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Hello again, Steve:
Here's what you don't get. I have seen NO evidence of Obama INTENTIONALLY perpetrating ANYTHING on his citizens. I dunno WHAT press you're reading that tells you that, but I DON'T read them. And, if I did, I WOULDN'T BELIEVE them. You think, I think LIKE you, but I don't.

What I see, is the damage to the country that you right wingers caused by shutting down the government.. The evidence is CLEAR.

I COULD ask what's wrong with YOU that you don't see it, but I don't think you're a hypocrite.

excon

Then you haven't paid attention, it's been documented here. A Park Service ranger was quoted as saying they were instructed to make life as difficult as possible, and unless you've been in a coma you would have seen that's exactly what they did. From blocking vets at more than one memorial to forcing senior tourists to stay in the hotel with armed NPS guards that specifically came to protect Old Faithful from having visitors outside to view it, God forbid. But I guess all those pictures, videos, vets and seniors just lied because they hate Obama.

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A Park Sevice ranger was quoted as saying they were instructed to make life as difficult as possible

Who instructed them to do that?

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Who instructed them to do that?

I don't know, but I know who could have instructed them to back off, and he didn't.

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but I know who could have instructed them to back off, and he didn't.

Who's that?

Hello again, Steve:

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A Park Service ranger

A SINGLE Park Service Ranger flapping her gums, does NOT indicate that a presidential order was given..

Same thing with Lois Lerner. A LONE IRS employee flapping HER gums, does NOT indicate that a presidential order was given.

Let me ask you this.. IF your church was closed during the week, and somebody wanted to BREAK in, I'll bet you'd call the cops on 'em.

Do you understand the word CLOSED?

Actually, I don't think you do.

Excon

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I don't know, but I know who could have instructed them to back off, and he didn't.

But it's a government shutdown. It's not an essential service.

A week ago my righty husband went to NC to a family reunion (a sister is slowly dying). He was all for the government shutdown and "let's get back to a smaller government." On his way home to Chicago, my husband wanted to go to Cumberland Gap and the Great Smoky Mts. National Parks. Guess what? That government shutdown wasn't such a good idea after all!

He should've snuck in .They can't close all the trails.

The Rangers abuse certainly was not essential services. It did a lot of damage to a dept that was generally respected in the past.
But now if you ask me ,the Park Service should be outsourced... at least the parts that deal with recreation.

But the good news is that the ones let go from the Park Service could take their new skills at Barrycade building and put it to good use on the border .

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he should've snuck in .They can't close all the trails.

He's at Chimney Rock and Grandfather Mountain today. Yesterday was the Biltmore Estate and Vanderbilt Mansion. There's enough to see without going to a National Park. Who needs 'em...

I think the civil disobedience of the Vets have been the highlight of this whole sad charade .They illustrated the pettiness of an emperor who would allow the park service to spend more resources closing down open air monuments than they use when the government isn't shut down. Before any of that happened ,a Barrycade should've been placed at Camp David ,and the Congressional gymnasium.

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Hello again, Steve:
A SINGLE Park Service Ranger flapping her gums, does NOT indicate that a presidential order was given..

Same thing with Lois Lerner. A LONE IRS employee flapping HER gums, does NOT indicate that a presidential order was given.

Lemme ask you this.. IF your church was closed during the week, and somebody wanted to BREAK in, I'll bet you'd call the cops on 'em.

Do you understand the word CLOSED?

Actually, I don't think you do.

excon

In other words you don't want to discuss this rationally.

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In other words you don't want to discuss this rationally.

Now that goes without saying, do you actually think any part of this is rational, this is the lunatic fringe running your country

Yup the emperor and his cohorts are a lunatic fringe

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yup the emperor and his cohorts are a lunatic fringe

You know Tom from a distance it looks different, you see there are some people who are willing to risk a financial meltdown which affects the whole world to make some lousy domestic point about whether some people get health insurance, looks pretty stupid and just a little gutless from here

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You know Tom from a distance it looks different, you see there are some people who are willing to risk a financial meltdown which affects the whole world to make some lousy domestic point about whether some people get health insurance, looks pretty stupid and just a little gutless from here

I agree.

It goes much deeper than funding Obamacare.. . and your perception is wrong. The gvt shutdown is about funding Obamacare . The looming debt ceiling is a manufactured crisis by the emperor that is only connected to the shutdown because the emperor chooses to link the 2 issues. He has already turned down an extension of the debt ceiling because the only way he knows how to govern is to create crisis's to exploit. Remember Rham Emanuel's infamous quote ;

Rahm Emanuel: You never want a serious crisis to go to waste - YouTube

Hello again, tom:

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The gvt shutdown is about funding Obamacare

Nahhhh.. That was last week. This week you guys want... Uhhhh, you guys want... Give me a minute...

Oh, that's right. You want EVERYTHING you'll NEVER win in an election...

Bwa, ha ha ha.

Excon

Hello again,

I need some help here... I've been thinking about this. Closed is closed, and that's just so. Nonetheless, I DON'T believe Obama is closing ANYTHING to PUNISH anybody - NOT because he's a wonderful human being - BUT because there's NO upside to it. Now, I'm ALL for political chicanery. I LOVE political TRICKS. I'm IN to tactics that make the Republicans look STUPID...

But, I'm NOT in to a trick that gains NOTHING for your side and gives EVERYTHING to the other side... Can you tell me what Obama GAINS by "punishing" the people?

excon

Hello again,

I also want to know HOW a default isn't really going to BE a default like the Tea Baggers are telling us. Do I need to link you to them? You know who they are.. Tom Coburn, Rand Paul, Mike Lee, and others.

I probably don't have to. I'm sure our resident right wingers BELIEVE that crap too.

excon

Are we seeing wingers running out of rocks to throw? Will they have to resort to throwing spit balls? Or have they been hollering so much they ran out of spit too?

Maybe they are not as smart as a box of rocks.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

it goes much deeper than funding Obamacare ... ... and your perception is wrong. The gvt shutdown is about funding Obamacare . The looming debt ceiling is a manufactured crisis by the emperor that is only connected to the shutdown because the emperor chooses to link the 2 issues. He has already turned down an extension of the debt ceiling because the only way he knows how to govern is to create crisis's to exploit. Remember Rham Emanuel's infamous quote ;

Rahm Emanuel: You never want a serious crisis to go to waste - YouTube

Don't give me that Cruz linked the Debt Ceiling to Obamacare