You would be wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
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You would be wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Um no ;our conservation efforts began in the late 19th century. Yes damage was done to ancient forests ;but a lot was preserved ;and many more untapped as they are on federal lands . Even here in the East coast the forest areas are massive ,diverse ,and teaming with life. I live within a short commute of NY City ,and still walk in thousands of acres of unpopulated woods.
Bush tried to give the federal land to oil companies, but Obama stopped him. Whew, that was close.
And Obama is leasing our beautiful oceans to wind energy companies to ugly them up with wind farms. What's your point?
There are plenty of Federal lands that are 'wastelands ' . A small section of the Arctic would've been perfect and the human foot print would've been very small. Conservation allows for human activity .Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Unfortunately Tom conservation doesn't address making things better, merely preserving what we have, conservative environmentalism, not proactive
Do you believe everything you hear? I mean geez Clete, we have to live here too.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
I believe what I see, Speech, outcomes. I, like a lot of people, are sick of poli-speak, I was into renewables long before it was fashionable, into understanding how to do things better. Do you know speech there are still people who think driving machinery straight up and down hills is the way to do it because it's easier, doesn't matter that it doesn't preserve water in the soil. They think clear felling trees is the way to do it, creating monoculture is the way to do it. Your poli's might be on message, mine might be on message, but I'm looking for something better, outcomes
I think you drank the kool-aid.
No speech I'm still alive and what we drink here isn't koolaid
Well sir, reports of the US' environmental demise are greatly exaggerated. Unless maybe you live in Los Angeles, there's no hope for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
We could stand to improve a few things here at home.
Tal, there's always room for improvement but just as with race, the economy, the "war on women" having an honest conversation about the environment is not on the left's agenda.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I could easily say the same about the right's agenda speech, just sick of debates and ideas descending into rock throwing contests. Be great to have an agreement of good ideas and work on a process to implement a good plan of action. Works is what moves us forward, not throwing rocks.
Dude, that all sounds good and stuff but when the "war" itself is mythical there is no basis to even begin an honest conversation. It's just like the wage discussion we were having, I said "poor" and you turned it into a black/white thing.
That's another thread. Stick to this one. And my experience with the environment is the short cuts to safety, even if its expensive or technologically challenged safety still has to be first. We seem to fall short, in both life and treasure.
What is both life and treasure threatening is an agenda that says no matter what ;if we get our way energy prices will 'necessarily skyrocket' . An agenda that necessitates that even though we've never pumped as much oil ,we will still face ever increasing costs at the pump and probably face shortages next year because of the bizarre practice of mandating that ethanol from corn be mixed into the refinement. An agenda that forces oil to be transported on trains because we stubbornly refuse to allow the job creating construction of a pipeline. The killing of a whole industry like coal ,which has already made great strides in retooling their plants to make their emissions cleaner than ever . Meanwhile our coal and our oil get exported because we are destroying the domestic market ;and get sent to markets that have no such restrictions and controls .
That may be another thread but the strategy is the same. No matter how much evidence we produce - even from the very feds just looking for an excuse to halt something - you guys cry foul and expect us to believe our faucets going to be blow torches.
Speech reports about many things are greatly exaggerated, we live in a society where each media outlet must top the next, thus we wind up discussing things that may not be the truth. Nothing has been more exaggerated than global warming, an idea that was invented to promote the now discredited idea of nuclear power. All global warming is is poli-speak. Are things changing, undoubtedly, but the idea that we can turn off the faucet is ridiculous, As fast as you nation or mine closes coal fired power stations the chinese start them up and the weird thing is, there hasn't been a coal fired power station built here in many years yet our emissions are the same or growingQuote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I see Al Gore hasn't started flying comercial or tore down or even cut the utilities to his several megamansions yet.
Since he's king green turd... I'll take his lack of real concern since he has don't anything himself in his own life to mean he doesn't even believe its real either.
And now Lurch is poisoning the earth as he tries to save the world.
British Scientists have said there has been no climate change in worldwide temperature for the past 16 years!
Exactly and whatever changes have been observed have been used for political purposes. We are continually presented with data from observations taken near an active volcano as evidence that temperatures are higher. There are places where temperatures are higher and these are in the polar regions and even this is inconsistentQuote:
Originally Posted by fredg
This was the summer that was supposed to be clear sailing across the ice-free arctic circle. Instead, the northwest passage has been frozen all summer long and instead of shrinking, the arctic ice sheet has expanded by 920,000 square miles since last August.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/...08_638x431.jpgQuote:
A chilly Arctic summer has left nearly a million more square miles of ocean covered with ice than at the same time last year – an increase of 60 per cent.
The rebound from 2012’s record low comes six years after the BBC reported that global warming would leave the Arctic ice-free in summer by 2013.
Instead, days before the annual autumn re-freeze is due to begin, an unbroken ice sheet more than half the size of Europe already stretches from the Canadian islands to Russia’s northern shores.
He Northwest Passage from the Atlantic to the Pacific has remained blocked by pack-ice all year. More than 20 yachts that had planned to sail it have been left ice-bound and a cruise ship attempting the route was forced to turn back.
Some eminent scientists now believe the world is heading for a period of cooling that will not end until the middle of this century – a process that would expose computer forecasts of imminent catastrophic warming as dangerously misleading.
The disclosure comes 11 months after The Mail on Sunday triggered intense political and scientific debate by revealing that global warming has ‘paused’ since the beginning of 1997 – an event that the computer models used by climate experts failed to predict.
In March, this newspaper further revealed that temperatures are about to drop below the level that the models forecast with ‘90 per cent certainty’.
The pause – which has now been accepted as real by every major climate research centre – is important, because the models’ predictions of ever-increasing global temperatures have made many of the world’s economies divert billions of pounds into ‘green’ measures to counter climate change.
Those predictions now appear gravely flawed.
Darn it, this globe just won't cooperate.
Winter is coming... AGAIN this winter I plead that anybody that wants to complain about global warming... SEND ALL global warming to Pittsburgh PA.
No one bothers to build backyard rinks anymore because we now always get above zero temps in the middle of winter... in Canada.
I wonder how the eskimo's are handling it over in Alaska?
I no longer bother going swimming in the summer since its usually colder than when I was growing up.
Global Warming Changing Inuit Lands, Lives, Arctic Expedition ShowsQuote:
I wonder how the eskimo's are handling it over in Alaska?
I keep telling you global warming isn't happening, what is happening is climate change and in some places it is changing for the better and in some places not. If we had a small " ice age" this would slow down the release of methane in the artic a good thing apparently. It might shatter the dream of open waterways in northern climes but I can tell you from where I sit open water is over rated and the polar bears think so too.
This latest change may be down to volcanic activity and in any case on the evidence "normal" is lots of ice
That was six years ago, how is that helpful?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Hello again,
All I know is global warming MUST be TRUE because it's UNUSUALLY HOT here today...
I say that, because for SURE, this winter some winger will say it CAN'T be true, because it's snowing outside.
Bwa, ha ha ha ha.
excon
Hey Ex it unseasonably hot here too but we always have a hot week in September, so natural variation this year is hotter than others. I can't get excited about global warming but I know a century ago they had photos of snow on the ground here. I can sign on to climate change because climate is continually changing. I don't think it is a bad thing and we have to live with what we have now
And after 2 years of heat and drought we've had a fairly mild, fairly rainy summer. Anyway, I thought you guys loved science. Six years ago they predicted by 2013 that summers in the arctic would be ice-free. It's 2013 and it's been iced up all summer, expanding by 60 percent since last year - and a 15 year cooling trend is now expected.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/...03_640x366.jpgQuote:
She pointed to long-term cycles in ocean temperature, which have a huge influence on climate and suggest the world may be approaching a period similar to that from 1965 to 1975, when there was a clear cooling trend. This led some scientists at the time to forecast an imminent ice age.
Professor Anastasios Tsonis, of the University of Wisconsin, was one of the first to investigate the ocean cycles. He said: ‘We are already in a cooling trend, which I think will continue for the next 15 years at least. There is no doubt the warming of the 1980s and 1990s has stopped.
Read more: Global cooling: Arctic ice caps grows by 60% against global warming predictions | Mail Online
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And in other climate change news...
That's right, we may end up launching an "unbelievably small" attack on Syria all because of climate change.Quote:
If Congress authorizes military strikes against Syria, is global warming to blame?
According to Francesco Femia, co-founder of the Center for Climate and Security, the Syrian conflict that has caught the attention of the world was preceded by the “worst long-term drought and most severe set of crop failures since agricultural civilizations began in the Fertile Crescent.”
The severe drought, combined with massive crop failures and poor agricultural policy on the part of the Assad regime, forced mass migrations from the countryside to cities that were already hard-pressed by refugees from Iraq, Femia argues. Military analysts overlooked these factors and argued that Syria would be immune to the civil unrest that had previously swept through authoritarian Middle Eastern regimes.
“But under the surface of what seemed to be a stable country, there was a large-scale environmental and human disaster happening,” Femia told “Moyers & Company.”
“Climate change primarily manifests itself through water,” Femia added. “But it varies; different kinds of water, different ways. It can lead to more extreme weather events: either a drought or a major storm or an amount of rainfall that’s unusual and leads to flooding. It’s not just scarcity, it’s too much, too little and unpredictably.”
“Climate change is going to have security implications across the globe and conflict is just one area of concern,” Femia said.
Read more: Did global warming cause the Syrian civil war? | The Daily Caller
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Originally Posted by speechlesstx
You forgot the sarcasm/humour font. Some people might think you are being serious with this comment.
True, but oh well.
How can you be serious about such a humourous subject, it's a laugh a minuteQuote:
Originally Posted by Tuttyd
I visualize someone tossing a water balloon out a window on a flyover.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
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Originally Posted by smoothy
Now there is an idea
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