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  • Jul 19, 2013, 10:38 AM
    tomder55
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    Lets not forget the lessons of big oil, and Exxon Valdez, and the BP gulf spill.
    Shiite happens even with regulations in place ?


    "If I had a city it would look like Detroit"
    (Emperor Zero)
  • Jul 19, 2013, 11:02 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
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    shiite happens even with regulations in place ?


    "If I had a city it would look like Detroit"
    (Emperor Zero)

    I knew Zero and Detroit had something in common.

    Detroit goes bankrupt, largest municipal filing in U.S. history
  • Jul 19, 2013, 11:19 AM
    talaniman
    Lose more than half your population and see where YOUR city goes. Detroit is the tip off the iceberg for financially strapped cities.
  • Jul 19, 2013, 11:24 AM
    NeedKarma
    Detroit isn't alone. The U.S. cities that have gone bankrupt, in one map

    Lotsa cities in blue states... most are in <gasp> Texas!
  • Jul 19, 2013, 11:34 AM
    talaniman
    Zoom out on the map and get a clearer picture of the locations.
  • Jul 19, 2013, 11:59 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Detroit isn’t alone. The U.S. cities that have gone bankrupt, in one map

    Lotsa cities in blue states...most are in <gasp> Texas!

    Not much on geography or math, eh?

    Texas is not a blue state and two filings is not "most". One was Grimes county which I know nothing about and the other was Hardeman County Hospital in Quanah. I have an aunt there among the 2,642 residents. Hard to maintain a hospital in an area as sparse as Hardeman county.
  • Aug 5, 2013, 02:30 PM
    speechlesstx
    So, the "gun show loophole" didn't take root so it's on to plan B, with another myth... the "internet loophole."

    Quote:

    New study finds vast online marketplace for guns without background checks

    By Philip Rucker, Updated: Monday, August 5, 6:00 AM E-mail the writer

    The marketplace for firearms on the Internet, where buyers are not required to undergo background checks, is so vast that advocates for stricter regulations now consider online sales a greater threat than the gun show loophole.

    A new study by Third Way , a centrist think tank with close ties to the Obama administration, found that thousands of guns, including so-called assault weapons, are for sale online and that many prospective buyers were shopping online specifically to avoid background checks.
    There is no "internet loophole."

    Ace sums it up...

    Quote:

    Oh, my aching head. If you buy from an FFL or out-of-state seller over the Internet, you have to undergo a background check. If you buy from an in-state private seller, you don't. How f'ing hard is this?
    OK you lefty squeal and repealers, over to you.
  • Aug 6, 2013, 03:58 AM
    NeedKarma
    I can see why you like "Ace". His posts are right up your alley. I see many of your talking points there.
  • Aug 6, 2013, 06:48 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    I can see why you like "Ace". His posts are right up your alley. I see many of your talking points there.

    Yeah, I love Ace, he doesn't take any crap either but I've cited him what, twice? Here's the thing is he right or wrong?
  • Aug 6, 2013, 07:00 AM
    talaniman
    He is half right because law abiding citizens will obey the law and abide by rules and procedures. Sadly many do not and they are the very ones who cause the rest of us problems. It's complex and tough to balance freedom, rights, and safety. No doubt.
  • Aug 6, 2013, 07:03 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    He is half right because law abiding citizens will obey the law and abide by rules and procedures. Sadly many do not and they are the very ones who cause the rest of us problems. It's complex and tough to balance freedom, rights, and safety. No doubt.

    The issue is the truth. There is no "internet loophole."
  • Aug 6, 2013, 07:12 AM
    excon
    Hello again, Steve:
    Quote:

    The issue is the truth. There is no "internet loophole.
    I'm not going to look, but were you denying that there's a gun SHOW loophole? If you were, then there's probably an internet loophole big enough to drive a truck through..

    Excon
  • Aug 6, 2013, 07:56 AM
    speechlesstx
    There is no gun show loophole, in state private transactions are generally LEGAL.
  • Aug 6, 2013, 08:41 AM
    talaniman
    Are you ignoring the dishonest criminal element of our society that exploits and MAKES loopholes? Generally legal??

    Crazy people don't care about generally legal!
  • Aug 6, 2013, 08:58 AM
    excon
    Hello again, tal:

    We must remember, that right wingers LOVE their guns so much, and HATE background checks so much, that they're willing to let the criminal element get as MANY GUNS as they WANT... And THEY WANT PLENTY!

    Why right wingers twist themselves into knots to support them, is a mystery for all time.

    excon
  • Aug 6, 2013, 09:19 AM
    NeedKarma
    I don't understand: what's preventing people from frequenting buy/sell firearms websites/forums and exchanging guns for money?
  • Aug 6, 2013, 09:29 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Are you ignoring the dishonest criminal element of our society that exploits and MAKES loopholes? Generally legal??

    Crazy people don't care about generally legal!
    Today 09:56 AM
    Crazy criminals don't care about legality at all.

    You aren't going after the "dishonest criminal element", you're trying to make it harder for honest citizens to exercise their constitutional rights and the anti-gun zealots are lying about it with Obama as the liar-in-chief. You've fear mongered about a mythical "gun show loophole" for years and now your side is squealing about a mythical "internet loophole".

    Quote:

    We must remember, that right wingers LOVE their guns so much, and HATE background checks so much, that they're willing to let the criminal element get as MANY GUNS as they WANT... And THEY WANT PLENTY!

    Why right wingers twist themselves into knots to support them, is a mystery for all time.
    You wingers love killing babies so much you can't even support an abortion ban after 20 weeks or clean, regulated clinics for the poor women you send there. Talk about getting twisted into knots...

    If you want to have an honest discussion let's have an honest discussion, but stop making sh*t up to try and scare people into thinking you can just go to eBay and buy bazookas all day without a background check.
  • Aug 6, 2013, 10:17 AM
    excon
    Hello again, Steve:

    There's no voter fraud, except the cops that cheated HERE.. Trap laws are passed for the health of women, and you believe exconvicts like ME would rather shop in the hood for a gun..

    Want to hear another one? Bwa, ha ha ha ha...

    excon
  • Aug 6, 2013, 11:08 AM
    speechlesstx
    A "loophole" is an ambiguity or omission that allows you to legally evade the law. There are no "loopholes" in the law, only in your mind. But go ahead, show us how easy it is for you to buy a bazooka on the internet.
  • Aug 6, 2013, 03:34 PM
    Tuttyd
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Yeah, I love Ace, he doesn't take any crap either but I've cited him what, twice? Here's the thing is he right or wrong?

    Probably right the second time. I pointed pout where he was wrong the first time.
  • Aug 6, 2013, 05:18 PM
    speechlesstx
    So there is no Internet loophole.
  • Aug 7, 2013, 03:25 AM
    NeedKarma
    Ah, so it's just a game of semantics then.
  • Aug 7, 2013, 03:36 AM
    Tuttyd
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    So there is no Internet loophole.


    Are you responding to my comment about Ace? The only reason I ask this is because your comment comes after my post.
  • Aug 7, 2013, 05:39 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Ah, so it's just a game of semantics then.

    It's a matter of facts.
  • Aug 7, 2013, 06:00 AM
    talaniman
    Its extremism. And profound distrust of anything they cannot control.
  • Aug 7, 2013, 06:24 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Its extremism. And profound distrust of anything they cannot control.

    You are absolutely right. You can't control gun owners so in your extremism you try and scare the country about mythical "gun show loopholes" and "internet loopholes," and throwing out numbers from before the Brady Act from a survey of a whopping 251 people to prove your point.

    Yes sir, that's extremism and a profound distrust of anything you can't control. It also applies to most of your other views.
  • Aug 7, 2013, 07:03 AM
    talaniman
    LOL, while you ignore the killing of the innocent.
  • Aug 7, 2013, 07:21 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    LOL, while you ignore the killing of the innocent.

    SMH, there's only one side in all of these debates that ignores killing the innocent and it isn't from the right.


    Quote:

    I don't give a rat's arse what you do, but I'll fight for the right to life for babies, the most innocent, helpless human life, to my dying breath. I'm not one bit ashamed of that. I'd be ashamed to support infanticide as you do.

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