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Tal prices are always rising and standards are falling, it goes on until the system is reinvented.
Change was needed, but this much change might be a bad thing initially, then the insurance companies will sort out their products and you can expect the usual set of exclusions. The fault in this system is linking coverage to employment so that there is a third party in the negotiations
Yes ;it would be much better if an individual had the right to negotiate their own plan with any provider offering services . It would also be better if there weren't so many mandated coverages.Quote:
the fault in this system is linking coverage to employment so that there is a third party in the negotiations
Well Tom at last we agree on somethingQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
But tom, those mandated coverages are FREE according to Democrats.
This is just one of those days full of stuff you just can't make up. The owner of Zerocare said in Mexico that "the 85 to 90 percent of Americans who already have health insurance" are "already experiencing most of the benefits of the Affordable Care Act — even if they don’t know it.” Of course that's just another is a lie.
Now we have Harry Reid yammering about needing more money to stop the "train wreck". If only those darn Republicans hadn't been preventing him from getting more money in the budget, said the guy that refused to pass a budget for 3 years
I'm thinking once Americans REALLY see the "benefits" of Zerocare next year we're going to see a GOP landslide in the election.
Its got to be better than the last two decade of rising costs of premiums and services. And throwing people out after they get sick, and refused treatment for serious illness. I mean geez guy, people are getting screwed and dying and you say go back to that when a path forward is just over the hill?
You blame Obama Care, and give a free pass to the industry that got us where we are. Is that why your side can only throws rocks because you cannot deal with hard facts and evidence? That makes YOU the problem and not government.
From yammering:
“The president is taking money — I wish we had the money just to do this on its own, but he’s agreed, he’s determined he’s going to take money from some of the other things that he feels are less important in the healthcare bill and put it on letting you and others know what’s in the bill,” Reid told a caller to the show.
Still trying to find out what's in the bill?
Wonder if Nancy was the caller?
What's the problem don't you have any money for paper or an electronic copy you can read?Quote:
Originally Posted by smearcase
Perhaps the money should be invested in lifting the literacy rate for politicians or is it so heavy you need a truck to carry it away
Its been online for the last 2 years.
And they still don't know what's in it, how stupid is that?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Here it is knock yourself out reading this monstrosity realizing that for every page there are scores more of written and unwritten code that supplements this pos. What we do know is that most of it's due to go into effect this autumn ;and no body knows how to properly implement it.
http://www.healthcare.gov/law/full/
You just need more public servants implementation is what they are good at, you give each one a page
It is flawed in it's premise and construct .That's why the Dem leaders that created it are now calling it a 'train wreck'
That's what happens when you don't do the debate.
Oh it was debated... what we did not get was a bill everyone could look at before it was voted on .What we also got was Parliamentary tricks to get it passed in the dead of night.
You're a broken record of straw men arguments. Despising a horrific train wreck of a law doesn't mean anyone wants to go back to the stone age any more than protecting women and children from butchers like Gosnell and Carhart does.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
When your president and his minions lock Republicans out of the discussion to ram this ever increasing monstrosity that no one wanted through, it leaves no possibility for other ideas to get through. It's all on Democrats so stop your whining every time something else bad about it is revealed. If you'd known what was in it BEFORE you passed it you might have a leg to stand on but you didn't and now you have to own it, like it or not.
The IRS needs thousands of new bureacrats just to deal with Obamacare. Typical liberal solution, a health care fix that creates more tax auditors than doctors.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
You're a broken record of straw men arguments. Despising a horrific train wreck of a law doesn't mean anyone wants to go back to the stone age any more than protecting women and children from butchers like Gosnell and Carhart does.
Waiting for your solutions or ideas. But please no more of this champion for women stance as you have lip service but no ideas to deal with the reality of this world.
When your president and his minions lock Republicans out of the discussion to ram this ever increasing monstrosity that no one wanted through, it leaves no possibility for other ideas to get through. It's all on Democrats so stop your whining every time something else bad about it is revealed. If you'd known what was in it BEFORE you passed it you might have a leg to stand on but you didn't and now you have to own it, like it or not.
That's a lie. They negotiated until it came time for a vote, then the walked because the goal was not to govern responsibly, but slow things down and obstruct EVERYTHING. 40 votes to repeal, and NO replace?
Voters rejected Romney/Ryan's plan for us to screw our own kids and grandkids so that a fact.
Lol, you think we're the ones paying lip service to women? We aren't the ones protecting the institution of abortion over women's health. I've already given my solutions so enough of that game, you created this culture that devalued life and family so don't blame us.
Your narrative that Republicans don't have alternative ideas is also a straw man. Try arguing from the truth.
The truth is most women voted against your ideas, methods, and motivations. Yet you don't listen to anyone's ideas but your own and get rather nasty when confronted with the truth.
I can go along with more oversight on the abortion issue, as it would not be an option were I a woman, but would never force that choice on another. But you obviously want woman to have children and be barefoot, pregnant, and dependent on a man to take care of her.
Not everyone agrees with that opinion, but what's lost in your argument is all the guys who make babies don't take care of them. That's what I find wrong with you anti abortion stance because while you defend life, you don't defend it after it gets here.
That's the definition of a dead beat dad, of which you seem to be one.
The Dems negotiated amongst themselves trying to bring in the blue dogs who were reluctant . It's pure nonsense to claim any Republic ideas were considered. As you recall. Zero told us all to go to the back of the bus.
"We don't mind the Republicans joining us. They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back.”
He was right since you proved you couldn't drive worth a darn. So get to the back of the bus and out of the way.
I rest my case.. Let's dispel with the nonsense that the Dems negotiated this deal with the Repubics . The Dems only negotiated with themselves.
Repubs are not only bad drivers of an economy, but negotiations are not a strong suit either. Both claims are backed by facts, events, and actions. So I rest my case also.
This is a debate that never ends, around and around and around we go and where we will come out no one knows. Is all your politics like this; endless debate and no solution?
What a mess!
Yeah things shoved down our throats normally go unresolved... much like the abortion debate.
You can't negotiate from the back of the bus. What's funny is it's Zero that sucks at it so much Dems have cut him out of negotiations.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
The person that can't drive woth a damn in behind the wheel of the bus right now... hitting every car parked along side BOTH sides of the road.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Just swallow, and we can get a resolution. I know that gag reflex gets in the way, but we tried to be gentle.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Should we shove harder? We can you know or did you miss he last election?
That's why we refused to go to the back of the bus AGAIN and let you guys drive anymore. We have had enough of right wing reckless driving! If you won't talk to Obama, then talk to the hand(S)!Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Its hard o swallow AND holler isn't it?
If you stop trying to grab the steering wheel back we could stay on the road better. Just swallow a little and it will help everybody A LOT!! Even you guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Just sayin'!!
Your comments are really revealing today, Tal. Obviously it's your way or the highway. Sorry dude, this is my country, too.
He had complete control for his first two years... and that's when ithis started.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
The man is a menace... and a threat to this country... what he needs is locked up. Not handed the keys to the dealership.
He's only a president... not a KIng... and certainly NOT the Messiah.
He had complete control for his first two years... and that's when ithis started.
Despite YOUR bet efforts, he got the bus out of the ditch, and changed the flat tires. The bus crash started way before he got to town
The man is a menace... and a threat to this country... what he needs is locked up. Not handed the keys to the dealership.
You have been saying that since before he took office.
He's only a president... not a KIng... and certainly NOT the Messiah.
That's what we have been telling you guys but of course you don't believe it. But YOU keep saying he's a savior or whatever.
Seems all the rock throwing and hollering you guys do was for nothing since he got re-elected, but you guys haven't changed one bit. same ol' same ol'.
Tats a delusional belief... we had far more people that actually had jobs whe Bush lest oiffice than we have 4 years later... and we had FAR less debt.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
That bus was run into the ditch and off the cliff both.
You forgot who steered the bus into the ditch, BO was set up to fail and you are still poisoning the chalice
The same HHS secretary that campaigned for Zero in her official capacity is now extorting money for Zerocare from those her agency regulates to implement this disaster.
Budget request denied, Sebelius turns to health executives to finance Obamacare
There is obviously no shame in this administration.
There is no shame in Republican obstruction is more to the point. Can't repeal the law, won't replace it if you did, so starve the beast. I thought you were all for community health centers?
You still act as if Republicans have been running the show. Regardless, what part of conflict of interest do you not get? There is apparently no wrong this admin can do that fazes you, and I'm guessing no justification for the law too stupid. This Dem thinks Zerocare will prevent bad marriages.
Dem Congresswoman: Obamacare Will Improve Marriages | RealClearPolitics
Lets be very clear, Republicans run nothing in congress they OBSTRUCT progress period.
Marriages without the financial burdens of rapidly rising health concerns/costs may be a good thing. Why isn't it?
Now how about those community centers? Not for profit community centers to get people enrolled in health insurance programs instead of you and me footing the bill?
Apparently you don't understand conflict of interest.. or don't care how corrupt your government is. I'm guessing the latter.
Asking for support for community centers to educate the uninsured about getting insured is a conflict of interest? Really?
But republican obstruction to getting people wellness isn't? Obstructing poor people from getting wellness isn't a conflict of interest? Shrinking government for citizens to grow more profits for rich guys isn't a conflict of interest?
You have life and BS all mixed up.
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