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Originally Posted by talaniman
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You're welcome.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Yesterday the Associated Press removed "illegal immigrant" from its vocabulary. Jay Leno helped them out with the new proper term.
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“And in a groundbreaking move, the Associated Press, the largest news gathering outlet in the world, will no longer use the term ‘illegal immigrant.’ That is out. No longer ‘illegal immigrant.’ They will now use the phrase ‘undocumented Democrat.’ That is the newest – ‘undocumented Democrat.’”
Hello again, Steve:
You're just jealous.. You COULD have had 'em, but you were too mean. I don't know WHY you guys like to shoot yourselves in the foot.
Let me see. Obama won by 3 million votes, and you guys GAVE us another 11 million... Whewwweee. Looks like you're out of the picture for the foreseeable future...
excon
No I just thought it was funny.
This is funny, too... Obama is going to teach us "how to budget responsibly." No really, the man who hasn't gotten a single vote for any of his bloated budgets is going to help us with responsible budgeting.
You just can't make this stuff up.
No you are right, watching your politics is better than watching a sitcomQuote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
It's come to this, and though it's been evident for years that the feminists and other leftists have some inherent disdain for a domestic role for women (unless it comes to their hired servants I'm sure), THIS is pathetic.
Yes, heaven forbid an accomplished woman get recognized for her delicious beef stroganoff and being a good mom when she passes. Really people? Get a life.Quote:
Gender Questions Arise in Obituary of Rocket Scientist and Her Beef Stroganoff
By MARGARET SULLIVAN
Yvonne Brill’s accomplishments as a scientist made her a natural subject for a Times obituary last weekend. Those staff-written obituaries, which recognize only the tiniest fraction of people who die on a given day, are intended not as tributes but as news stories of those who lived highly distinctive lives.
When this particular obituary appeared online Saturday, though, it caused many readers to do a double-take because of its emphasis on Mrs. Brill’s domestic life.
When it initially appeared online and in the first print edition, the first two paragraphs read as follows:
She made a mean beef stroganoff, followed her husband from job to job and took eight years off from work to raise three children. “The world’s best mom,” her son Matthew said.
But Yvonne Brill, who died on Wednesday at 88 in Princeton, N.J., was also a brilliant rocket scientist who in the early 1970s invented a propulsion system to keep communications satellites from slipping out of their orbits.
Many people responded negatively to what they saw as sexism.
Typical was this Twitter message from Aaron Bady:
Hey, @Sulliview what’s up with that disgraceful obituary for Yvonne Brill? “was also a brilliant rocket scientist”? For real?
Others, like Amy Alexander and Ron Charles — humorously but with an edge — wanted The Times to know how they would like to be remembered when the time comes.
For the record, please note that my #Obit Dish is my “mean penne farfalle with zucchini.” Just #FYI @nyt @JAWS @sulliview
Dear NYT, just in case you’re prewriting obits of obscure book critics, everybody says I make delicious chocolate chip cookies.
Amy Davidson, a senior editor at The New Yorker who writes its Close Read blog, said on Twitter that it was striking how Mrs. Brill’s “work was both mentioned and somehow invisible,” given the emphasis in the obituary. Ms. Davidson also noted that the eight years off from work apparently wasn’t entirely the case; Mrs. Brill continued to work part time as a consultant during those years, the obituary said further down.
Later on Saturday, after the flurry of negative attention, the culinary reference dropped out and some other language changed in the online version of the obituary. And when it appeared in later print editions, its first paragraph still mentioned her family life but also included her profession, and the beef stroganoff was nowhere to be found. (It’s not unusual for The Times to make changes to articles online. When a factual error is corrected, that is drawn to the reader’s attention, but otherwise, incremental changes are not generally noted.)
This didn’t satisfy everyone:
Julie Rehmeyer, a freelance science writer from New Mexico, e-mailed:
The change in the lede for Yvonne Brill’s obituary only makes it worse, in my opinion. Yes, the original reference to beef stroganoff was inappropriate in the extreme — but having any reference to her parenting or spouse in the first paragraph of her obituary is also inappropriate. Fixing the beef stroganoff reference without fixing the misguided nature of the article as a whole doesn’t solve the problem; it minimizes it through its insufficiency.
An additional problem with the article is mentioning the “Diamond Superwoman award” immediately after her National Medal of Technology and Innovation, as if the two awards were comparable.
You can see the changes on NewsDiffs.
Others disagreed with those who complained.
Jennifer King, a journalism student who is studying obituaries for her master’s thesis at Queensland University of Technology in Australia, wrote to me:
I feel Mr Martin was subtly pointing out the irony of a woman in that era not only being a remarkable scientist but also a great wife and mother. The reference to her cooking was, I believe, to add context to Mrs. Brill’s extraordinary achievements in an era where women were not encouraged to be anything other than Domestic Goddesses.
Anyway, I think it has been an all ’round learning experience for everyone and has drawn attention to the art of obituary writing, which can’t be a bad thing! Best of all, while some may be critical of the obituary, at least we now all know about Yvonne Brill, which must be a positive outcome, don’t you agree?
This all may seem to be a tempest in a Crock-Pot, but it actually raises some significant questions related to gender – which is under much discussion at a time when Sheryl Sandberg’s “Lean In” has hit the top of the nonfiction best-seller list.
When it’s highly unusual for a woman to do what she did professionally, to what extent does that merit notice? Should gender be ignored in a profile or obituary? Should it be treated as the main event?
A recent article in Columbia Journalism Review gives guidelines for writing about women in this context. Curtis Brainard quotes the science writer Christie Aschwanden, who objects to journalism about women in science that “treats its subject’s sex as her most defining detail.”
I talked to William McDonald, the obituaries editor, on Monday morning about the reaction.
“I’m surprised,” he said. “It never occurred to us that this would be read as sexist.” He said it was important for obituaries to put people in the context of their time and that this well-written obituary did that effectively. He also observed that the references in the first paragraph to cooking and being a mother served as an effective setup for the “aha” of the second paragraph, which revealed that Mrs. Brill was an important scientist.
Mr. McDonald said that he was consulted about the changes on Saturday night by editors who were working then and who believed that the negative reaction should be listened to. But, he said, he would have preferred to leave the obituary as it was.
Another day, another outrage over any incident.
Yep, feminists getting pi$$ed and demanding revisions of an obituary over cooking is pretty stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Hello again, Steve:
You want to know what's UNFAIR? I make a MEAN chicken and sausage gumbo... Will it be mentioned in MY obit?? Hell no. All they'll talk about is me being a captain of industry.
It ain't right, I tell you.
excon
Hey, I'm good with just saying I was a good dude that made some smokin' baby back ribs.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
On one of his perpetual campaign trips, Obama informed us we don't have time for a perpetual campaign, he could get a lot done with Pelosi as speaker and my favorite thing he said with a straight face was about Pelosi herself, "She never lets ideology cloud her judgment." No, really, he actually said that.
One can only conclude that his sole 2nd term agenda is to campaign to get a Dem majority in the House.
Heck, he doesn't need congress anyway.
Again, you just can't make this stuff up. The city of Phoenix apparently has too many white lifeguards. Apparently drowning blacks and Latinos can't relate to being rescued by a white person. So as long as you're a minority, no strong swimming skills are required.
In Phoenix, A New Quest For Diverse Public Pool Lifeguards : NPR
Maybe that's why bodies can sink undetected to the bottom of pubic pools unnoticed for 3 days .
3 ordered to quit after body in pool went undetected for days - CNN.com
Just wait until Obamacare forces unqualified providers on us.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
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Originally Posted by tomder55
This was your point?Quote:
The investigation determined that poor water clarity was the primary factor that kept lifeguards from being aware of the drowning and finding Joseph after her death. In fact, the 12-foot-deep pool was so cloudy that it should not have opened the day she drowned, authorities said.
I can see training and learning, but they make it seem as if there are no good swimmers in the minority community. As for the innuendo that the bar is lowered for minorities, I dismiss it as a lack of understanding on your part since you miss the part about starting from scratch with the willing.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Or are you saying this willing fellow cannot develop as good a skill as his white counterparts, or the efforts of one guy getting a chance to learn screws up the whole system and they should forget it?
Let's just apply this logic to other areas, like health care for instance.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
And just curious, why would blacks and Latinos have a problem with white lifeguards? Would they really rather lower the standards than be rescued by an experienced white guy? If so then the minority community needs to do some soul searching.
I think the whole point being made is that there are some crazy folks lurking amongst us, so don't be distracted. Sure it's a concern they give conservatives a bad rap, but they also give progressives one too. Lets not lose sight of the real issue of extremists thinking, AND actions, and the danger that actions means to unwary citizens.
We can start with not giving any credibility to the SPLC and using their bullsh!t as a basis for admin policy.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Wrong thread, but oh well.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
They don't have a problem. Maybe that's one of many argument to justify the program but nobody cares who saves them when they are in trouble. And to say it dummies down the qualifications then you miss the point of this,Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
The key is after some training they can APPLY to be lifeguards. So what do you have against minorities being properly educated and certified to apply since no one is lowering the qualifications to be a life guard, nor just giving the title to an unqualified kid.Quote:
To help diversify its lifeguard ranks, the city raised about $15,000 over the past two years in scholarships to offset the cost of lifeguard-certification courses. Recruits who pass a swim test at the end can apply to be city lifeguards.
So what's this lowering the bar, and unqualified stuff are you talking about? I know you are not saying people of color cannot qualify as life guards are you?
Yes, throw money at diversity when you have qualified people of the wrong skin color. See I thought skin color didn't matter to but it seems to be a consideration in everything these days. That doesn't bother you?
So because you have qualified people of the right color, no need to throw money at the darker people to be as qualified as the right colored people?
Right color??Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I think this means that certain ethnic groups, because of their economic circumstances and locations have a limited opportunity to participate in certain types of recreational activities. It is equally likely they do not realize these types of activities can be financially rewarding.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
So, "throwing money" at these people gives them the opportunity to participate in something they would have otherwise not considered.
I get that but that isn't why the city of Phoenix is doing this. They're doing it because their lifeguards awere white. They weren't the "right color".Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuttyd
Yes, it does say that. But I am not sure of the point you are making.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
It's a question I asked earlier, if skin color doesn't matter why is it a consideration in almost everything?
Actually, I blame the United Nations Charter for this problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
It is the failure to make the distinction between racial discrimination, ethnic discrimination and gender discrimination.
In this country I blame the left.
Lol.. Good answer. I might leave it there.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Skin color does matter, and we have not evolved to a better world that it doesn't. The real issue is why is it not acceptable to put resources for instructions and tests to those youths of color who are willing and interested in competing for those jobs that so far have white kids in them?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
We should be looking to do that for all the kids. Teaching someone to fish requires money, and time. So what's the problem with one kid having that chance? Your objection to one kid having a chance seems to be he is the wrong color and shouldn't be competing with the white kids.
I say that because of the throwing money at diversity comment, and the erroneous assertion that this one lone kid would be given a free pass with less expectations of meeting a bar that the white kids had to meet.
Correct me if I am wrong but your statement was
Search your soul and tell me the reason why you are against ONE person having what the white kids have. A respectable job. This is no lazy kid having the bar lowered for his lazy a$$. This is a kid who wants to learn, and work. I can't believe you are against that.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx,
Would they really rather lower the standards than be rescued by an experienced white guy? If so then the minority community needs to do some soul searching.
Here's an idea. Let the ones interested sign up for the Red Cross life guard course. Then if they have the qualifications they can pass the requirements for the certification . The requirements are published .
Lifeguard Certification Arizona (AZ)
Tal, nice long rant but it's based on an assumption. I don't deny opportunity for anyone and don't care who gets the job. You're missing the point entirely.
But that's the whole idea. There is a lack of interest because it is not something that certain ethnic groups would consider.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
In a similar way people who live in the poorer areas of the inner city would probably not consider a course in becoming a greenkeeper or a golf professional.
Why does diversity have to forced? I think it's a silly and divisive exercise. I don't care about skin color, ethicity or whatever until some liberal says something about being "too white." How much white is too white and why does it matter? Is there such a thing as too black or too brown?
Should we really care if the person rescuing us from drowning is a certain color? After all that was one the city's justifications, the swimmers can relate better to someone that looks like the and that's ridiculous. I thought the end goal was to be at ease with other in spite of that, it's a designed segregation. Forcing diversity on one hand while engineering segregation on the other seems rather silly.
I don't think anyone is forcing anyone to become a lifeguard. Are they?Quote:
QUOTE by speechlesstx;
Why does diversity have to forced? I think it's a silly and divisive exercise. I don't care about skin color, ethicity or whatever until some liberal says something about being "too white." How much white is too white and why does it matter? Is there such a thing as too black or too brown?
I would have seen this as being a role model.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlessx
A large number of people might want to claim to be at "ease with the other" but I suspect that only exists on the surface.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlessx3437225
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