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  • Mar 8, 2013, 02:54 PM
    paraclete
    As I said earlier he might have been an economic trogladite, I expect this comes from been very single minded and not taking a broader view, but some smaller nations have followed part of his example. We know the best way to lift a population out of poverty is to provide employment but this is a long term strategy which is undermined by inflation. He didn't take the oil money and embark on a vast building program as some have done so his legacy is in the hearts and minds of the people. We will see how long he is remembered
  • Mar 8, 2013, 03:01 PM
    tomder55
    I want to know where this info comes from that he helped the poor. Since opposition was crushed in the country .How do you know ? Chavez terrorized opponents, nationalized industries and crushed freedom of the press.
    Quote:

    Neither official statistics nor independent estimates show any evidence that Chávez has reoriented state priorities to benefit the poor. Most health and human development indicators have shown no significant improvement beyond that which is normal in the midst of an oil boom. Indeed, some have deteriorated worryingly, and official estimates indicate that income inequality has increased. The "Chávez is good for the poor" hypothesis is inconsistent with the facts...
    An Empty Revolution | Foreign Affairs

    He gutted every institution that guaranteed democracy and trampled on fundamental rights. It is absolutely amazing to me that he is championed by any freedom loving person.
    How exactly did he help the poor ? With price controls and production quotas on basics like cooking oil, white rice, sugar, coffee, flour, margarine, pasta, cheeses and tomato sauce.Good job ! All that did was create artificial shortage and scarcity .Basic products for the deeply impoverished often became the hardest to locate.
    Like Zimbabwe President Robert Mugabe ,Chavez seized the land of the "rich" ,and like Mugabe ,destroyed the agricultural sector of the economy .
    Then only thing Venezuela had going for it was it's energy economy (which he plundered ) .
    As for the rest ,the civil society is well on it's way to destruction . Caracas is perhaps the kidnap capital of South America. Since he entered office , murder rates in the nation's cities have quadrupled: there is one murder every 90 seconds.
    So spare me the eulogies for the scumbag.
  • Mar 8, 2013, 03:28 PM
    speechlesstx
    Other than that he was a swell guy.
  • Mar 8, 2013, 05:11 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    I want to know where this info comes from that he helped the poor. Since opposition was crushed in the country .How do you know ? Chavez terrorized opponents, nationalized industries and crushed freedom of the press.

    See my earlier post at #37 I have no wish to repeat myself endlessly because you don't read the op's. No one said this guy is perfect and in the vein of a long line of ethnic dictators he didn't take dissention well, for the third time I will paraphase Jimmy Carter, I didn't always agree with his methods
  • Mar 9, 2013, 06:59 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    see my earlier post at #37 I have no wish to repeat myself endlessly because you don't read the op's. Noone said this guy is perfect and in the vein of a long line of ethnic dictators he didn't take dissention well, for the third time I will paraphase Jimmy Carter, i didn't always agree with his methods

    But as I was saying as long as he spews populist rhetoric and pushes back against American capitalism and American foreign policy he gets a pass.
  • Mar 9, 2013, 02:15 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    But as I was saying as long as he spews populist rhetoric and pushes back against American capitalism and American foreign policy he gets a pass.

    Did you notice Tom that he cannot spew populist rhetoric any more, he is dead!
  • Mar 9, 2013, 03:26 PM
    tomder55
    Yes, but his brown shirts intend to terrorize the people of Venezuela for another generation.
    The wild card in Venezuela: Armed Chavistas - DC Breaking Local News Weather Sports FOX 5 WTTG
  • Mar 9, 2013, 04:19 PM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    But as I was saying as long as he spews populist rhetoric and pushes back against American capitalism and American foreign policy he gets a pass.

    He got a pass because his rhetoric didn't stop the flow of oil.
  • Mar 9, 2013, 05:21 PM
    paraclete
    Face it Tom you can't solve all the problems of the world, you can't even solve your own problems. Learn to leave people alone to work out their own development. Fascist and extreme socialist regiems eventually give way to more reasonable approches but it must come from within
  • Mar 9, 2013, 06:19 PM
    tomder55
    So I should be mute ? Or perhaps be like the sheeple who make a case that his brutality was justified because some misguided poor people liked his handouts.
  • Mar 9, 2013, 06:25 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Did you notice Tom that he cannot spew populist rhetoric any more, he is dead!

    What the hell is wrong with you people? Tom and I are not the same guy.
  • Mar 9, 2013, 07:01 PM
    smoothy
    News just in... Hugo Chavez is still dead.
  • Mar 10, 2013, 12:24 AM
    paraclete
    My apologies speech you guys seem so alike
  • Mar 10, 2013, 03:55 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    My apologies speech you guys seem so alike

    No, I'm much more handsome. :)
  • Mar 11, 2013, 01:08 AM
    paraclete
    Have to admit a dog is a better looking avatar than a yankies symbol
  • Mar 14, 2013, 06:56 AM
    speechlesstx
    Bad news, Chavez unlikely to be preserved for eternity.
  • Mar 14, 2013, 07:10 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post

    Look at the bright side... at least he's still dead.
  • Mar 14, 2013, 07:26 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    Look at the bright side....at least he's still dead.

    For eternity.
  • Mar 14, 2013, 07:35 AM
    tomder55
    Maybe the can get the medical experts in Havana to get it done.
  • Mar 14, 2013, 02:09 PM
    paraclete
    No they should take a body cast and make a model
  • Mar 14, 2013, 02:25 PM
    speechlesstx
    Apparently he's returning with Jesus some day.

    Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: Hugo Chavez Will Resurrect With Jesus
  • Mar 14, 2013, 03:06 PM
    paraclete
    I have a revelation for you, the dead will be ressurrected, tyrannts and all
  • Mar 14, 2013, 03:37 PM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Apparently he's returning with Jesus some day.

    Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: Hugo Chavez Will Resurrect With Jesus

    Uncle Adolf the Iranian Lunatic will be bent over the same table in hell Hugo Chavez is right now getting an eternal corn-holeing.


    And Jesus won't be anywhere around those two... Beelzebub will be performing the honors. But they will be with each other...
  • Mar 14, 2013, 04:10 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    I have a revelation for you, the dead will be ressurrected, tyrannts and all

    Revelation? Not for me, the revelation would be Chavez coming with Jesus.
  • Mar 14, 2013, 04:47 PM
    paraclete
    Chavez gave Jesus advice on new Pope?
    I wouldn't consider that a revelation but this Chavez thing has certainly taken a turn for the seriel

    Chavez 'swung papal race from Heaven' - The Election of the Pope - ABC News

    I think the last thing Jesus would do is take advice on social justice or religious issues from Chavez but no doubt his followers thought him some sort of reincarnation. They are going to be bitterly disappointed
  • Mar 14, 2013, 05:26 PM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    I wouldn't consider that a revelation but this Chavez thing has certainly taken a turn for the seriel

    Chavez 'swung papal race from Heaven' - The Election of the Pope - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

    I think the last thing Jesus would do is take advice on social justice or religious issues from Chavez but no doubt his followers thought him some sort of reincarnation. They are going to be bitterly disappointed

    I think they've been chewing too many coca leaves...
  • Mar 14, 2013, 05:27 PM
    paraclete
    Yes that might be close to the truth

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