Obama paid lip service to that last week in Chi-town
Video: Barack Obama: 'I wish I'd had a father who was around' - Telegraph
Guess that was hate speech too .
It was a rare moment when a lib spoke candidly of the consequences of their poliices.
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Obama paid lip service to that last week in Chi-town
Video: Barack Obama: 'I wish I'd had a father who was around' - Telegraph
Guess that was hate speech too .
It was a rare moment when a lib spoke candidly of the consequences of their poliices.
No. The right question is why doesn't the right get off its behind and promote some useful ideas instead of constantly moaning about what they consider bad ones being pushed by the left?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Divorce is a strawman argument? More like reality since half the marriages in America end in divorce. And that's not accounting for the relationships that end in kids,but no relationship.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
So tell me other than controlling people and making them stay together, what do we do with them? Why doesn't the right recognize that reality has to be dealt with, and not swept under the rug while you doggedly stick to your solutions that may have good intentions but is not the ultimate solution.
Maybe in your own right wing world but he wasn't lamenting policy, he was lamenting the truth of his own existence. I guess you hear what you want.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
You act as if the right has abandoned its dedication to the very things you said you wanted to promote. It has done no such thing but is marginalized and mocked for "clinging to old-fashioned values" and "living in the past" blah, blah, blah. Your fight over the proposed solutions you suggest today is with the left for undermining those values. You should point your "family values and God/mom/apple pie and education improvements that actually work" argument at them, we still believe in that but that message is not going to get through the liberal media and academic echo chambers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
I love it when you validate my point, and right on cue.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
So we agree your good intenions aren't enough to produce good results? That's a good start.
And so you are going to crawl into a corner wimpering?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Want me to list the family and personal values that the right espouses that are very important and would even be acknowledged by the left as good?
Not at all, you haven't gotten past the straw man that we don't understand reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
When respond in a relevant manner we can talk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
So far, all I've heard is wimpering and accusations, but no plans to solidify and spread conservative ideas and values.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Sounds like the right side is divided against itself
Go for it. Its got to be better than the hollering and dismissing everything as a strawman argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
add to the list the polices of the left that undermine the values they claim to support .
Add them yourself.
Hello:
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Changing hearts and minds means convincing them that voting for positions we believe in is in their best interests.
I've been reading..Quote:
The right question is why doesn't the left promote what is proven to work?
In MY view, before we talk about a GOP Hispanic female running for president, we should have the discussion about immigration reform.. The right wing, of the right wing party isn't going to go for ANY law that leaves ANY illegal immigrant IN this country. I think that'll put the kibosh on immigration reform and ANY hopes the GOP has for national office.
You talk about "what's proven to work", and "positions that are IN their best interests", yet STAYING in this country is in their interest FIRST and FOREMOST..
On other threads, the MOST I've gotten from you, is the concession from tom that once the right wing demands have been met, he's ready to NEGOTIATE whether they can stay or not... THAT position will NOT get a right winger elected, and I think his views represent what your ordinary right winger thinks... And, they're NOT about to accept 11 million new Democrats..
Therefore, the candidacy of Susan Martinez is DEAD in the water BEFORE it ever gets underway.
Excon
Ex what you are really saying is the GOP is outnumbered and their support base will decline
Hard to compete against freebees
Hello again, clete:
I'm saying they're faced with changing a long held position, or giving up national office and becoming a regional party..
I DO agree with tom's original sentiments, however. The Mexican interlopers are conservative in their lives, their religion and their politics... They're NATURAL born Republicans.. But, once they realized that the right wing just wants to THROW THEM OUT, all that other stuff doesn't matter.
excon
Hello again, tom:
Couple things. It's not true, and it's a losing position.Quote:
hard to compete against freebees
You know, the right wing can't remember what went on BEFORE Obama came on the scene... Now, you're going to forget what happened during our last election...
As a lefty, I'm THRILLED with it.
Excon
Oh I remember.. The Dems have always been better at promising freebees than the Repubics.
Hello again, tom:
How do you not know that the 47% comment ENDED Romney's bid for president??
excon
What killed Romney was the conservatives that sat the last election out . What killed Romney was comments like " Obama is a nice guy ..just wrong" . When Romney did not effectively answer the left's smears and lies early in the campaign ,and allowed them to label him as a criminal who won't pay taxes and kills people when he closes down their place of business.. etc . ;that sealed his fate.
Hello again, tom:
Okee doakee, then.. Keep on saying the mooch thing, and see how far that gets you.
excon
You aren't competing against freebies Tom, you are competing against fair. As long as you see a little help in hard times as a freebie, you will always lose because NOT acknowledging what the rich guys have already done to ordinary citizens through a recession that stole from them and changed the whole nation for the worst, makes enemies, not friends.
I mean Romney was on TV hollering my taxes are to high while paying less than the ordinary worker, and sending American jobs to China. And you blame freebies for your loss?
Hello, Earth to Dumbkoff, that's no way for robbers to treat their marks, because if you were sincere, you would give their money back. That's not a freebie either before you get started down that idea.
Freebies and the lies like Romney sending jobs to China ,or doesn't pay taxes..
Good morning, excon:Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
This is the best post in this thread and why I suggested Republicans get a ground game going NOW--swarm as volunteers all over the schools and libraries and Y's and churches to promote two-parent families and education and literacy/ESL and team sports and family value stuff and girls' self-esteem so they don't have babies starting at 13. If they did that, Susana or even thirsty Marco might just have a shot in 2016.
Most sincerely,
WG
Name one freebie?
The right wing doesn't know how to talk to anyone but themselves. Everybody else they holler at, and denigrate, and dismiss. That's the only principle they project.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
I don't whimper, so you're still not relevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
LOL, the straw man that we just want to throw Mexicans out is the best post in the thread? You do realize Texas, with all our Republicans in office, LOVE our Hispanic people. We just elected one Senator but obviously he's not authentically Hispanic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Repubs may have lost ground with Hispanics but it's less us moving from them as it was you lying about us and fear mongering, your post is an excellent example. Geez you guys are pathetic.
Thanks for wasting no time proving my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I'll name a couple... he diluted welfare to work requirements through executive orders, and requirements for food stamps. Adults among the 47,000,000 food stamp recipients clearly recognized for whom they should vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
269,000 free phones were given away under his watch . Oh yeah ,he's mandating the distribution of free contraception in Obamacare .
I don't know why you deny it.. The President made the slide show 'the life of Julia' detailing her dependency on the Obama nanny state from cradle to grave . That was a central theme of his campaign.
You are right in that I don't know how to talk to others when they engage in non-reality based arguments, manufactured false premises deserve to be dismissed.
He was asked by TWO REPUBLICAN govenors to waiver the rules for work requirements in there states by 6 months so those governors could implement a program that prepared recipients to go to work and set up child care, transportation to work for them. He said go for it!Quote:
QUOTE by tomder,
I'll name a couple... he diluted welfare to work requirements through executive orders, and requirements for food stamps. Adults among the 47,000,000 food stamp recipients clearly recognized for whom they should vote.
NYT's Trip Gabriel Rides to Defense of Obama on Relaxing Welfare Rules, Calls Conservative Charges 'a Stretch' | NewsBusters
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Of five states that initially requested or considered waivers, two have Republican governors, Utah and Nevada, the administration said.
Gabriel stuck to the White House playbook, jabbing at the "hypocrisy" line.
But Mr. Romney was also one of 29 Republican governors who urged the federal government in 2005 to allow waivers granting more flexibility for their state welfare programs.
You were for it before you were against it?Quote:
In fact, the legislation promoted in the letter – the Personal Responsibility and Individual Development for Everyone (PRIDE) Act – actually would have toughened the federal work standards. It proposed raising the mandatory participation rates imposed on states from 50 percent to 70 percent of the adult TANF caseload and increasing the hours of required work activity.
Read more: NYT's Trip Gabriel Rides to Defense of Obama on Relaxing Welfare Rules, Calls Conservative Charges 'a Stretch' | NewsBusters
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269,000 free phones were given away under his watch . Oh yeah ,he's mandating the distribution of free contraception in Obamacare
Contraceptives aren't free, premiums help pay for them. There is no co pay is the more accurate statement. They still require a doctors visit, and legal perscription.
Help for the working poor is NOT free stuff. Especially after/during a hard recession. Why do you deny the recession hit them harder than it did the "job creators".Quote:
I don't know why you deny it.. The President made the slide show 'the life of Julia' detailing her dependency on the Obama nanny state from cradle to grave . That was a central theme of his campaign.
If Republicans do what I suggest, all the lies in the world won't make a difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
We didn't lie about you, didn't have to. They just have to play what you say and people will run away.
Blame our lies and free stuff all you want, still doesn't repair your credibility.
I really don't care who requested it . Emperor Zero did the waivers. The House passed a bill to block the move by Zero and it passed a 250-164(the do nothing Reid Senate did not take up the bill) .Anyway you cut it ;Zero unlawfully reversed a law passed by Congress ;without any consultation with Congress ;using executive order . "
All hail Obama!!
As far as the phones go ,I am well aware that the program began under Clintoon. I did not say Obama freebies ;I said liberal freebies . You can't say that the President did not use it as a campaign tool and is still doing so today .
The Obama Phone | Free Government Cell Phone Program
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And what are the Republicans doing to cause the populace to embrace that party line? Ranting about Obama won't get them there.
It's a scam site.
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