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  • Feb 14, 2013, 11:48 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    I don't know, but if he means most domestic terrorist incidents are committed by left-wingers that would be correct.

    Right wing is God, Mom, and apple pie?
  • Feb 14, 2013, 11:51 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Is smoothy's definition Googleable?

    Mine is... which is more than can be said about most of NK's socialist dogma. Even Lenin would have rejected their definitions of things. Though I'm sure they have a dog-eared copy of Sol Alinsky's Rules for Radicals in a prominent location on a bookshelf.
  • Feb 14, 2013, 11:54 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    NK's socialist dogma
    I'm a socialist now? LOL!
  • Feb 14, 2013, 11:54 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    I'm a socialist now? LOL!

    Jesus was too, so you're in good company.
  • Feb 14, 2013, 11:55 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    I'm a socialist now? LOL!

    Read your posts... it really is that obvious.
  • Feb 14, 2013, 12:04 PM
    NeedKarma
    I'm just like Jesus. :-)
  • Feb 14, 2013, 12:18 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Right wing is God, Mom, and apple pie?

    I implied nothing, I stated a fact.
  • Feb 14, 2013, 12:19 PM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Jesus was too, so you're in good company.

    He refused to create an earthly kingdom.. How can he be socialist ?

    Show me anywhere where he requires a government to take care of the poor and the needy ? There are plenty of passages that require families ,individuals and the church to take on the responsibility . And of course there are passages requiring individuals to take care of themselves.

    “Lazy hands make a man poor, but diligent hands bring wealth.”
    "All hard work brings a profit, but mere talk leads only to poverty.”
    “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”
  • Feb 14, 2013, 12:25 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    He refused to create an earthly kingdom.. How can he be socialist ?

    What's your definition of socialist?

    Jesus espoused a socialist society.
    Quote:

    “Lazy hands make a man poor, but diligent hands bring wealth.”
    "All hard work brings a profit, but mere talk leads only to poverty.”
    “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”
    Jesus didn't say any of that.
  • Feb 14, 2013, 12:28 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    What's your definition of socialist?

    Jesus espoused a socialist society.

    Jesus didn't say any of that.

    By all means, please show us where Jesus espoused a "socialist society."
  • Feb 14, 2013, 12:30 PM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Jesus didn't say any of that.
    That's because you've just witnessed Cafeteria Christianity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
  • Feb 14, 2013, 12:34 PM
    smoothy
    The Lord helps those who help themselves doesn't sound too socialist to me...



    Or give a man a fish and you feed him for a day... teach him how to fish and you feed him for life.


    Socialists demand everything be handed to them... its immoral to have to break a sweat and work for anything.
  • Feb 14, 2013, 12:35 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    That's because you've just witnessed Cafeteria Christianity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Um, no. Tom gave legit bible passages and whether Jesus said them or not is irrelevant, He never contradicted them.
  • Feb 14, 2013, 12:36 PM
    smoothy
    Next thing the left will claim Jesus loved Stalin and Mao.
  • Feb 14, 2013, 12:37 PM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post

    The related term "cafeteria Catholicism" is a pejorative term applied to Catholics who dissent from Roman Catholic moral teaching on issues such as abortion, birth control, premarital sex, masturbation or homosexuality.

    No that wouldn't be me.
  • Feb 14, 2013, 12:48 PM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    For, indeed, although the socialists, stealing the very Gospel itself with a view to deceive more easily the unwary, have been accustomed to distort it so as to suit their own purposes, nevertheless so great is the difference between their depraved teachings and the most pure doctrine of Christ that none greater could exist:
    (QUOD APOSTOLICI MUNERIS (On Socialism)
    Pope Leo XIII 28 December 1878.)
  • Feb 14, 2013, 12:49 PM
    Wondergirl
    1878??
  • Feb 14, 2013, 12:52 PM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    1878??
    That's the world they live in.
  • Feb 14, 2013, 01:46 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    Next thing the left will claim Jesus loved Stalin and Mao.

    Why not smoothy they have already claimed he was a socialist, he fed people for free and took the kid's lunch to do it, he healed the sick and didn't ask a fee for it, he advocated paying taxes, his people held property in common and had social welfare programs.

    The right wing want to claim him but they won't implement his programs
  • Feb 14, 2013, 02:13 PM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    1878????????????????

    A Papal encyclical is timeless.
  • Feb 14, 2013, 02:14 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    A Papal encyclical is timeless.

    To whom?
  • Feb 14, 2013, 02:16 PM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Why not smoothy they have already claimed he was a socialist, he fed people for free and took the kid's lunch to do it, he healed the sick and didn't ask a fee for it, he advocated paying taxes, his people held property in common and had social welfare programs.

    The right wing want to claim him but they won't implement his programs

    Because there is a huge difference between helping someone in a particular single instance... and giving them a free ride for life for everything.
  • Feb 14, 2013, 02:17 PM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Why not smoothy they have already claimed he was a socialist, he fed people for free and took the kid's lunch to do it, he healed the sick and didn't ask a fee for it, he advocated paying taxes, his people held property in common and had social welfare programs.

    The right wing want to claim him but they won't implement his programs

    Acts 5 : 1-4... did not Ananias and Sapphira own the land they sold... and the money from the sale “at [his] disposal.” ?
  • Feb 14, 2013, 02:21 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    That's the world they live in.

    So truth is no longer truth because of a date?
  • Feb 14, 2013, 02:30 PM
    talaniman
    Right to bear arms was written for single shot muscats, now you guys claim it means semi automatic rifles with 30 round clips.
  • Feb 14, 2013, 02:36 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Right to bear arms was written for single shot muscats, now you guys claim it means semi automatic rifles with 30 round clips.

    The second amendment was written for a purpose, not a weapon.
  • Feb 14, 2013, 03:29 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Acts 5 : 1-4 ....did not Ananias and Sapphira own the land they sold ...and the money from the sale “at [his] disposal.” ?

    And what happened to those two? And why?
  • Feb 14, 2013, 03:32 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    The second amendment was written for a purpose, not a weapon.

    The men who wrote that had no clue what the next decade years would bring, much less what this millennium would be like.
  • Feb 14, 2013, 03:32 PM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    And what happened to those two? and why?

    They died because they lied to the Holy Spirit... not because they lied to men about the sale. As the passage clearly points out... the land and the money was theirs to do as they pleased... ie private property ownership.
  • Feb 14, 2013, 03:33 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    they died because they lied to the Holy Spirit

    And the lie was about what?
  • Feb 14, 2013, 03:33 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    The men who wrote that had no clue what the next decade years would bring, much less what this millennium would be like.

    Irrelevant, it was written for a purpose and that purpose has not changed.
  • Feb 14, 2013, 03:37 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Irrelevant, it was written for a purpose and that purpose has not changed.

    We are governed by a foreign nation with hired soldiers we must fight?
  • Feb 14, 2013, 03:56 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    We are governed by a foreign nation with hired soldiers we must fight?

    It was adopted in 1791, roughly 8 years after the Revolutionary War ended.
  • Feb 14, 2013, 03:58 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    It was adopted in 1791, roughly 8 years after the Revolutionary War ended.

    But they might have recaptured us.
  • Feb 14, 2013, 04:35 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    But they might have recaptured us.

    Precisely, self defense against enemies foreign or domestic.
  • Feb 14, 2013, 04:35 PM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    The second amendment was written for a purpose, not a weapon.

    It also could have easily said MUSKET... but it didn't , it said arms... for a very good reason as you said. It meant a variety of weapons... unlike the average liberal... these guys were able to actually think.
  • Feb 14, 2013, 04:36 PM
    paraclete
    Well, they did sack Washington indicating that as a policy, it was a failure, but the diehards never admit their mistake and two hundred years later they still cling to the idea of vigilantism as the answer to societies crises
  • Feb 14, 2013, 04:44 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    It also could have easily said MUSKET ...but it didn't , it said arms....for a very good reason as you said. It meant a variety of weapons...unlike the average liberal....these guys were able to actually think.

    Who will be fighting? About what? And using what against drones, various gases, bazookas, tanks, and nuclear bombs?
  • Feb 14, 2013, 05:01 PM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Who will be fighting?
    Quote:

    Police say that just before midnight Wednesday, two armed men burst into Harris's home in the 4300 block of NW 16th Avenue, demanding cash.

    Stewart and her 11-year-old daughter were asleep at the time.

    Harris's mother-in-law, Annie Streeter, said, “When the mother came into the room, someone put a gun to her head and made the father get down on the floor.”

    Harris's cousin, Arnica Perez, said “When one of the gunmen tried to go to the daughter's room, that's when they wrestled and they struggled and he shot him.”
    http://miami.cbslocal.com/2013/02/13...home-invasion/
    Maurice Harris deserved the chance to defend himself ,his family ,the home from invaders who would obtain a weapon regardless of the law prohibiting it . That's who the law abiding citizen is fighting against. The police as usual are there to do the post incident report.
  • Feb 14, 2013, 05:04 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    That's who the law abiding citizen is fighting against.

    I thought the arming is for a militia against the government.

    Harris is lucky his daughter didn't get her hands on the gun.

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