Whether the government calls it the way you would like or not, one thing that is not going to get you out of the trough is current capitalist behaviour. There must be investment and risk taking, all you have at this moment is profit taking
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Whether the government calls it the way you would like or not, one thing that is not going to get you out of the trough is current capitalist behaviour. There must be investment and risk taking, all you have at this moment is profit taking
What you are getting right now is an asset sell off because the rich don't want to get fleeced next year.
So sell your assets at a loss to avoid tax, eh, makes a lot of sense. Do they actually teach that sort of logic over there?
No. But rich guys are in there own world here.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
So it might seem, perhaps if I apply that psychology to my investments I might make money
Rich guys have lawyers and accountants and tax shelters. Do you?
It's just math, they didn't get rich by being stupid.Quote:
so sell your assets at a loss to avoid tax, eh, makes a lot of sense
Does that mean that you're stupid?Quote:
It's just math, they didn't get rich by being stupid.
I am an accountantQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Nice. Grow up.Quote:
Does that mean that you're stupid?
The explain the French.Quote:
I am an accountant
No worries though, as their economy tanks further they'll make up the revenue and save money on health care costs with a "Nutella tax."Quote:
French CEOs: 'Help!'
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On Nov. 5, veteran corporate chieftain Louis Gallois released a government-commissioned report calling for “shock treatment” to restore French competitiveness. And on Oct. 28, a group of 98 CEOs published an open letter to Hollande that said public-sector spending, which at 56 percent of gross domestic product is the highest in Europe, “is no longer supportable.” The letter was signed by the CEOs of virtually every major French company. (The few exceptions included utility Electricité de France, which is government controlled.)
The outcry is unusual for France Inc. which has tended to lobby behind the scenes and avoid public criticism of the government. That’s perhaps not surprising, since many CEOs attended the same schools as the country’s top politicians and often worked in government before going into business. De Castries was a classmate of Hollande’s at the elite Ecole Nationale d’Administration; Serge Weinberg, chairman of pharmaceutical giant Sanofi (SAN:FP) and a signatory of the Oct. 28 letter, used to work for Socialist Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius.
The problems they’re complaining about aren’t new. Heavy taxes and social charges required to support high government spending have eroded corporate profitability. In the l’Express interview, de Castries says that on average, the government charges incurred by his company for each employee are more than double the employee’s take-home pay. French labor costs are the second-highest in Europe, after Belgium, as companies are burdened with rigid and devilishly complicated work rules. No surprise, then, that operating margins at French companies have shrunk almost 40 percent over the past decade, while those of companies in Germany—where painful labor-market reforms were carried out—have risen about 40 percent.
You have lost me, what does la belle France have to do with anything. Any french solution is uniquely french
52% of the vote isn't whooping up on anyone since there was massive vote fraud in swing states... that pushed his numbers that high.
Voting fraud in the US, now there is a new one. I expect you will conveniently find a lot of defective voting machines
DO you have to present ID to vote in Australia? The dems have fought to allow anyone that shows up to vote without any proof of who they are...Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
That's why and how the fraud happens... and a required Photo ID would stop most of it.
http://watchdogwire.com/blog/2012/10...g-voter-fraud/
Keep in mind he is the son of a 11 term member of the House or Representatives Jim Moran and the Nephew of the DNC Chairman for the state of Virginia... he is not a nobody...
He didn't make a slip of the tongue.. he went on and on and on and on... in the video I linked
No I don't need ID to vote. I just need to identify myself and be marked off the roll. I am given a registration card but who knows where it is after all these years. We have photo ID drivers licenses should there be any question. At some point in the process we have proven our identity and it is taken on face value from that point. The incidence of voter fraud is low here, it comes with compulsory voting, the opportunities are fewer. If my name showed up more than once they might get upset about itQuote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Favorite tactic they use and have for a VERY long time... is using dead people s names to register... or using names of people in nursing homes who shall we say... aren't exactly in control of their facillities due to old age or medical problems... and vote for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
If they never have to present a Photo ID nobody would be wise unless they actually really, REALLY check the voter rolls or someone who happened to know them saw them do it...
The parties are strong here on visitation and arranging postal votes, who checks content I don't know, but we have a fairly tight register of births, deaths, etc and it is linked to the electoral rolls. The electoral process is a federal process here, tightly administered and as it is compulsory, the process checks and you are fined if you don't vote. We don't have your machine led sophistication but we also don't appear to have the problems. It is the same with electoral boundries, we don't often get allegations of gerrymandering at least not in the southern states, the way the system works is different and harder to rig
You're easily lost for an accountant.Quote:
You have lost me, what does la belle France have to do with anything. Any french solution is uniquely french
Why not just answer him instead of insulting him?Quote:
You're easily lost for an accountant.
Why not troll someone else for a while?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
I find it ridicule the repubs are hollering voter fraud. I mean 2 million cheater? Really? Even 10 thousand is ludicrous, considering we also check the names off here before you vote.
Its one thing to say WE out cheated YOU, and another to prove your outlandish claims since it's the STATES that are responsible for maintenance of voter registration rolls, and republican governors are lousy at it. Especially Florida (AGAIN).
Romney is blaming the gifts to minorities for the turnout, doubling down on his 47% comments, which was a big reason for his downfall in the first place.
Hello tal:
If Romney had won, I'd be blaming HIM for the gifts he was promising to give to the rich.Quote:
Romney is blaming the gifts to minorities
Excon
What did you find offensive about my question?Quote:
Why not troll someone else for a while?
Like giving the market a chance to create jobs instead of penalizing the job creators?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, Steve:
That's what you SAY.. It's what Romney SAID. However, that notion has been UNDENIABLY REPUDIATED by a MAJORITY of the voters in this great nation of ours. I don't think that trickle down crap will EVER be raised again.
excon
The market wasn't creating jobs on main street, just in foreign countries, and those were low paying sweat shops. That's since Bush was elected. Even Walmart fortune depend on sweat shops, low wage and tax breaks to be profitable.
Wall Street and the so called job creators have always put profits over people and created personal wealth for themselves, and trickled down whatever they could to the rest. Guess you have forgot they caused this economic global mess, but have not been adversely affected thanks to US, and have been VERY slow to be part of the solution.
They were waiting for Romney to give them more money, for even less work. That is no longer an option, is it? Maybe its time they earned that "job creator" title they spout so much.
If all 47 million food stamp recipients voted for President Obama, it would account for 75.4 percent of Obama's 62.3 million votes.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Hello again, tom:
And, your problem with people voting in themselves interest is what?
excon
I said nothing about "trickle down," I said get out of the way. I'm no accountant like Clete is, but I do know you aren't going to grow the economy from the bottom up and by expanding the welfare state.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
I also don't know get you guys' idea of freedom. One minute you whine about getting government out of your life so you can smoke weed, marry who you want or kill your baby, the next you're demanding government involvement in everything else.
Obama didn't make them poor, but Romney would keep them poor, he said so! Do the math.
I think we should all just suck off the government teat, don't you?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, Steve:
We know you despise the 47%. Romney does too. That's why he LOST. I suppose if it were up to you, they couldn't vote.
Tell me, are you going to take your free "stuff" and suck off the government teat when you turn 65? Of course you are, hypocrite.
excon
Would you like to just keep lying about us or are you interested in dialogue? I love the poor, I help the poor - but I have no respect for able-bodied people unwilling to lift a finger to help themselves. And hopefully when I'm 65 I'll be able to draw from what I paid for all those decades. If it's free why the hell does the government take money out of my every check?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
That's not free stuff . That's insurance policies we are forced to contribute into. Oh wait ;that's right... SCOTUS just confirmed it's a tax.. never mind.
Maybe these workers bringing down their company will get free government cupcakes .
Hostess CEO gives striking workers Thursday deadline - kwch.com
If they'd start making all fat-free, flavor-free products they could probably get a government bailout.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Hello again, Steve:
Me neither.. But, that's about 10% of the people - NOT 47%! You guys really DO have trouble with ARITHMETIC.Quote:
but I have no respect for able-bodied people unwilling to lift a finger to help themselves.
Excon
How do you know it is even 10% Ex, do you start making assumptions about minorities or various parts of the country. Look we all know someone who is shiftless and won't try because they have been knocked back too many times, but people also have to have opportunity, it's no good saying move, because that costs money and you still don't know if you will be better off. To do as Romney did and write off 47% of the country is straight out prejudice.
What the Republicans should be doing is fighting for jobs, stopping the exodus to China and India. Surely you have plenty of cheap labour somewhere over there, with 8% unemployment there has to be someone who wants a job, or maybe not.
Yeah that'll work . You're too smart to not know the consequences of protectionism.
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