I just can't help but wonder at the media hissy fit that would erupt over Romney calling a terrorist attack, a dead ambassador and widespread violence "bumps in the road", or Israel's concern about Iran just "noise" as the president did yesterday.
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I just can't help but wonder at the media hissy fit that would erupt over Romney calling a terrorist attack, a dead ambassador and widespread violence "bumps in the road", or Israel's concern about Iran just "noise" as the president did yesterday.
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
If you're suggesting the media DIDN'T have a hissy fit, then we just have a different idea about WHO the media is...
If you think right wing talk radio together with FOX News doesn't reach MORE people than the "lamestream media" does, then you're living in backwardsville.
excon
Dude, I've posted the numbers many times and the "lamestream media" still dwarfs Fox and talk radio. The three evening news networks alone dwarf ALL cable news, and CNN, MSNBC and HLN combined beat Fox. Talk radio is I believe about 50 million a week, but that includes all aspects of talk radio including left and right leaning shows, sports programming, NPR, etc. Add virtually every newspaper on the planet and your argument holds no water.
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Yes, it does..
excon
Post the numbers.
The numbers don't matter, what should be done with the info you get is what's important.
You guys think we should be telling other countries what to do and not to do. Right?
That's the leadership you want with military to back it up and take out our enemies. Right?
Correct me if I am wrong but what kind of leadership should we be presenting?
Evita has gone out of her way to apolgize for a video on Youtube... opps that's right... I mean grovelling publicly and having faux condemnation of free speech,calling the video that mocks Islam "disgusting and reprehensible;"
.Funny thing is that I know for a fact that Evita sat through a performance of 'The Book of Mormon' on Broadway which skewers and mocks the Mormans for the entire show.
'Book of Mormon' creators now pushing the edge on Broadway | MLive.comQuote:
The show has been greeted not by protests but rhapsodic reviews and standing ovations from crowds that have included celebrities as diverse as Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, actor Jack Nicholson and composer Stephen Sondheim. More than 300 people show up daily for a shot at 14 lottery seats to a musical that is sold out through September.
I'm sure there were many in the Mormon community that found the show "offensive and reprehensible and disgusting" . But there was Evita enjoying the show and cheering it on with the rest of the audience. Why didn't Evita ask Eric Holder to go after the creators of South Park who authored this insult to the Mormon religion ?
Back to the subject... the White House has been lying about these incidents from the beginning and it's time they came clean. Ambassador Stevens knew he was on a hit list . Where was his protection on the anniversary of the 9-11 attacks . For years we have been told that there would be heightend security on that day for the obvious reason.
The adm may think they can skate past this ;but they can't . Time for them to come clean.
Ex is the one whining about numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I remember a few years back many on your side were urging Bush to "save Darfur." Seems that quite often you want UN troops to go in and rescue some country. Only problem is they just rape and abuse the refugees instead. Your side has no problem with intervening in another country, you just pick your causes like everyone else.Quote:
You guys think we should be telling other countries what to do and not to do. Right?
We aren't presenting any leadership now, just excuses and coverups for those nasty "bumps in the road" to Obama's reelection. That and apologizing for our values like free speech.Quote:
That's the leadership you want with military to back it up and take out our enemies. Right?
Correct me if I am wrong but what kind of leadership should we be presenting?
It's nice for you to have this view Speech, a child should eat, how does that carry over into your own country if you support Republican policies. There is some sort of disconnect here where you have more concern for the children of Muslims than you do for US children and you say the Muslims treat women as property, I'll come back to what I said earlier and remind you we are only a century away from giving women the vote and you are only fifty years away from giving blacks their rights. How dare you come over all self righteous on the rest of the world. Fix your own problems and let Muslims fix theirsQuote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
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You guys think we should be telling other countries what to do and not to do. Right?
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I remember a few years back many on your side were urging Bush to "save Darfur." Seems that quite often you want UN troops to go in and rescue some country. Only problem is they just rape and abuse the refugees instead. Your side has no problem with intervening in another country, you just pick your causes like everyone else
Wasn't that long ago when the Clintoons led a NATO operation in the Balkans because Muslims were being ethnically cleansed by Serbia. They were willing to risk war against the Russians over the issue.
Tom you know for a long time I have been saying you should not be interferring in other countries. The reason you have the problems you do is because you interfere and tell other countries what they should do. You speak about the yugoslavian civil war, you were not alone in seeking an end to that war and the atrocities of ethnic cleansing and it may yet be necessary to do the same in Syria, but you must not act unilaterally as you did in Iraq.
Muslims have some long standing differences that we probably can't even understand and they have long memories. Blood fueds must be satisfied if they are to live together, barbaric I know, but a cultural thing
Nice spin righties, way to go to twist the facts to fit your views. No wonder you back Mitt, he has a problem with facts and figures too, but he has plenty of SPIN, and loads of red meat.
we had a huge coalition What are you talking about ? Oh I know... you mean that we must submit national interest to UN approval .Quote:
but you must not act unilaterally as you did in Iraq
Have you gone troppo, there was no national interest in Iraq, just unfinished Bush business. The embargo's had already bled Iraq dry, you could have sat there twenty years until Saddam died or was assassinated. You chose to believe the lies of Iraqi expatriates who used you get get back into power. It was the snow job of the century, how to steal a country and bankrupt its enemies. You were used to do the hatchet work for the Saudi's who laughed all the way to the bank and what did you get for your trouble, some nice defence contracts? And some nice catering contracts?
Tom, we are over the B/S all right, we put up with it right through the Bush era
umm we led the no fly zone enforcement for a decade . That was a UN operation wasn't it ?Quote:
, there was no national interest in Iraq
Look ,the US has to decide what it wants to be. If we want to lead the world as we have then we can't retreat from the world as you and the Obots prefer. If we want to be lead by the bogus international organization called the UN , or the Europeans ,then Obama's your man.
You talk of B/S ? Why don't you ask Putin about the lie Obama told him to convince Putin to give the UN go ahead for a "no fly zone" in Libya . Do you really think he signed on to a plan to wack QDaffy and regime change ?
But you don't lead the world. How incredibly arrogant.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Yeah we should get behind Canada's leadership. Canada can't defend it's islands from the Danes.
Wow, that's really relevant. What island?
Anyway, our aim isn't to lead the world, we are just our own country... of nice folks. :-)
Well you will have to open your piggy banks and beef up your military to defend the Arctic from the Russians who claim just about whole ocean as a Russian lake.. . The Danes ? Didn't they go to the Hans Islands and plant their flag on Canadian territory ?
They can claim what they want, there's nothing going on there. Why do you feel this is relevant?
You seem to thrive on conflict.
Some Americans would rather fight than talk and what do you expect but bluster from a political party that's about the money, and their own capitalistic interests?
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No ,the world has a choice to make too. WE can withdraw from the world ;cut off the spigot of US aid ,and let y'all fend for yourselves . But behind closed doors ;when no one in the press is listening ;I know that the sentiment is different .
Day one... any nation who allowed violent mobs with rage fueled by the rhetoric of the clerics ,breach the walls of our embassies and planted the AQ flag will have ALL foreign aid suspended ;and their ambassadors expelled until they can prove that they can safeguard our embassies and all US personel .
Sounds reasonable enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Yeah we don't worry about mobs anymore, or armed rebellion by the citizens. Those A holes have had a year to get it together and that's sufficient isn't it?
I don't give a rat's a** if they ever "get it together " . If they attack the US through surrogate rent a mobs then they have to suffer consequences.
Clete that answer is full of so much bullsh*t I don't know where to begin. I didn't realize we had a bunch of starving children here, everyone keeps telling me they're obese. Oh wait, we do have starving children now because they apparently don't like the black beans and hummus for lunch that Michelle Obama wants them to eat.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Beyond that , why don't you just take your own advice and stop with the self-righteous BS, you don't seem to have a clue as to how we take care of our own beyond the liberal narrative you apparently think is gospel. We'll take care of our own and then some.
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Although I doubt you'll understand this, obesity is a SIGN of starvation...
Clete is right on.
excon
LOL, do I need to buy you a dictionary? First it was "process", then "allow" and "suppress" and now obesity. You have bloat from malnutrition confused with eating too many Fritos while playing video games.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Damn and all these years we thought fat people just ate too much because they always seem to have something in their mouths, or in their hands ready to put in their mouths.. at least all the fat people I know personally.
Hello again,
See?? I KNEW you wouldn't get it... Maybe it's TOO subtle for the right wing brain... You don't get that the drug war is Jim Crow laws in disguise. That's too nuanced for you, too.
But, I'm TRYING.
excon
I guess I was never trained to hear those dog whistles.
Is that anything like saying she's a really active person for someone on life support because she's brain dead?
So the peaceful ones have to suffer your disdain along with the rabble rousers?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
That's life... and that's how its ALWAYS been. and that's how it will always be.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
The peaceful ones have a responsibility to take care of the trouble makers or suffer with the results of their actions due to complicity.. E.G. You are out with your thug buddies... they stop by the bank to get some money... you are in the car... they rob the bank and kill someone... YOU get charged with a capitol crime even if you didn't actively have a part just for being in the same car.
So should we put YOU in jail for voting for GWB?? I think so, its your fault he became president.
They say you can't go to jail for stupidity but it should be a crime
He didn't commit a crime, nor was he ever convicted of one... Bill Clinton who you probably did vote for actually did and was convicted of it, The Only reason Hillary wasn't for her contempt was the lefties shielded her... if you or I refused to turn over ordered documents that were later found in our house... we would have both been doing time for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Obama isn't beyond being charge and tried yet either... he will be out of office soon enough...
THe ENtire Democrat party would have to go to jail... and there aren't enough cells... but we could do what England did... ship them to you. But I'm sure you don't want them either.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
As I recalled they shipped them over there before they shipped them here, but point taken we don't want anyoneelse's idiotsQuote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
From my viewpoint, it would seem there is a great deal of questionable behaviour in the ruling circles over there, it is as if public office is an excuse to write your own rules
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