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Incomes have dropped more since the beginning of the recovery than they did during the recession itself, when they declined 2.6 percent, according to the report...
But you say the rich are the job creators, wouldn't this be their fault?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Democrats have ALWAYS focused on fairness and income inequality... It's right wing gibberish to suggest that paying people the SAME wage for the SAME work is income redistribution... It's bizarre that you think that way.. But, in terms of FOCUS, he signed the Lilly Ledbetter law in his first month... There ain't been nothing since except a lot of screaming from the Limp one..
Frankly, suggesting the poor (47%) pay MORE in taxes so the rich can get another tax break is income redistribution...
excon
Well I can agree that's how you would do things . The President ? He has shown me nothing to indicate he plans on cutting anything . Everything he says and does indicates to me he is very comfortable growing the Federal government in size ,power ,and influence on American lives.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Mother Milhous Jones.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
LOL, good one.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
It would be bizarre to think that way but I agree that would be gibberish. I don't think people should be paid less than others for the same work, that would be the White House that pays women less than their male counterparts.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
I already told you equal pay is the law of the land, it was passed in 1963. This Ledbetter thing is also law of the land, so what are you whining about?Quote:
But, in terms of FOCUS, he signed the Lilly Ledbetter law in his first month... There ain't been nothing since except a lot of screaming from the Limp one..
I think that's just hot air. What's not hot air is the principle that what's mine is mine, not yours. You lefties somehow don't get that.Quote:
Frankly, suggesting the poor (47%) pay MORE in taxes so the rich can get another tax break is income redistribution...
Look speech I won't argue the concept that taxation is theft, it is purely and simply legalised theft. However, anarchy is not a pleasant system to live under so some compromises have to be made. When you elect a representative and that representative agrees to use taxation to provide services, under the system of government you have, that decision is as if you had made it yourself. It is apparent you only like majority rules when you are in the majority but it doesn't work that way. Where I come from we have a saying; the objective is to get as much fleece with the minimum of bleating, we see taxation as the equivalent of shearing sheepQuote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
We would have to look and see if indeed it was the same work or the same position.Quote:
QUOTE by speechlesstx;It would be bizarre to think that way but I agree that would be gibberish. I don't think people should be paid less than others for the same work, that would be the White House that pays women less than their male counterparts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilly_L...ay_Act_of_2009Quote:
I already told you equal pay is the law of the land, it was passed in 1963. This Ledbetter thing is also law of the land, so what are you whining about?
They changed the old law to make it fair for the injured party. Get your facts straight. Of course most repubs were against it, but please read the whole thing.Quote:
The Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009 (Pub.L. 111-2, S. 181) is a federal statute in the United States that was the first bill signed into law by President Barack Obama on January 29, 2009. The Act amends the Civil Rights Act of 1964 stating that the 180-day statute of limitations for filing an equal-pay lawsuit regarding pay discrimination resets with each new paycheck affected by that discriminatory action. The law directly addressed Ledbetter v. Goodyear Tire & Rubber Co. 550 U.S. 618 (2007), a U.S. Supreme Court decision that the statute of limitations for presenting an equal-pay lawsuit begins on the date that the employer makes the initial discriminatory wage decision, not at the date of the most recent paycheck.
(on redistribution)
Sorry my friend but we do get silver spoons and golden parachutes being paid on the backs of consumers and workers, by those that claim to be job creators who haven't created jobs, and blames your favorite president for not creating jobs when its not his job.Quote:
I think that's just hot air. What's not hot air is the principle that what's mine is mine, not yours. You lefties somehow don't get that.
We have ample evidence that the job creators take tax cuts, hide the money, exploit overseas cheap labor and close American plants and cause workers to lose their pensions, houses and dignity. That's supply side redistribution and has devastated us so far.
What's mine is mine, and what's yours is mine is the whole basis for the NEW tax cuts in Romneys plan that's online and that too is redistribution from the bottom to the top.
What's in your wallet?
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But back to the OP.
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Is it the law of the land or not? Yes it is, so the facts can't be any more straight than being 100 percent correct. The rest you just regurgitate reflexively.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
With you there is no middle ground is there? Anarchy? Seriously? I've never objected to or shirked from paying taxes. When is enough, enough? Our elected leaders need to stop this social and economic engineering, stop with the slush funds for their cronies, the pork for their neighborhoods and approach every dollar spent knowing that someone else earned it. You wouldn't appreciate me spending your money now would you?Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
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Originally Posted by tomder55
It is good that we are becoming aware of the importance of context.
Well... until the next time maybe?
Tut
Glad Obama is being presidential himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
It was Talk Like a Pirate day.
Duh?? Two days earlier was Constitution Day and no tweets about that, I can see where his priorities are.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Ok sure:
Obama proclaims Constitution Day - UPI.com
What else do you want to manufacture fake outrage about?Quote:
WASHINGTON, Sept. 17 (UPI) -- President Obama declared Monday Constitution Day and Citizenship Day, beginning an observance of the U.S. Constitution's 225th anniversary, a statement said.
Obama encouraged local and state leaders to commemorate Constitution Week with civic ceremonies and programs designed to reflect on the importance of the document that has guided the United States "from a fragile experiment in democracy to a beacon of freedom that lights the world," the U.S. Defense Department said in a release.
The president also welcomed new citizens taking their oaths Monday.
I said, "no tweets." Nobody reads presidential proclamations but they'll follow his Twitter feed. Which deserved attention?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Yawn.
The strawman they construct is that if we want lower rates or tax reform that we want no taxes .Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Hello again, tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
It's EASY to TALK about tax reform, but NOBODY is going to give up THEIR personal deduction or exemption, or subsidy. Let's just take the home mortgage deduction... Steve and I had a discussion about that before... He believes the deduction allows him to KEEP some of his money.. Because I don't get it, I believe it's a handout. He's NOT going to give it up. If you get it, you're not either...
But, I'm willing to listen to which ones you ARE willing to give up... Go ahead, list 'em...
excon
I'm willing to give up ALL in exchange for lower and flatter rates where everyone has skin in the game. . It would've been better if it wasn't given in the 1st place because that naturally distorts the market. But so be it... phase it out .
So are you finally admitting that Dems screwed up by giving people breaks to buy houses?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I don't know where you got the idea that I was a Democrat... Republicans had a hand in tinkering with the tax code so that THEIR friends could get some of the goodies...
I believe the tax code should be written to raise revenue, NOT to make social policy. I'm FOR a flat tax, bent on BOTH ends so that the rich pay MORE than everybody else, and the poor pay LESS than everybody else.
We could write it on one page. In the REAL world, it AIN'T going to happen.
excon
A bent flat tax. Oh the irony.
Hello again, Steve:
You may not like the word picture I painted, but if you think we're EVER going to pass a FLAT tax where the poor pay the same as the rich, you been drinking the Romney koolaid..
Maybe you don't understand WHY poor people should pay little taxes, if any... That's cause you don't think they're really POOR, do you?? I mean, they all got cell phones, don't they? The moochers...
excon
No, just pointing out the irony of a flat tax that isn't flat.
So ex wants a progressive tax, this is because ex is progessive, he wants to tax the rich more, and tax the poor less and he calls this a flat tax. Have you also joined the flat Earth Society, ex, you know the one flat but curved at the ends and meeting itself coming back
So is your question is for confirmation that Conservatives are dumb? Well then my answer is that being "dumb" has nothing to do with being a conservative or a liberal. People from both sides will put their foot in their mouths and say dumb things. Such as Romney's remarks or even Obama's remarks in different scenarios. Both are at fault and tend to have the insert foot in mouth delema. It happens to everyone. Lol.
Tom you just don't get it a flat rate tax is unfair to the poor, you have to do something to level the playing field which means wages regulated above the poverty line, employment for all, proper health care for all. This is why these things are proposed so that the playing field is level, it's not to take your money away but to make sure there is a minimum standard for all so they don't have to go begging to you. Don't you realise you all have a common interest, that your country was founded on slavery and has never lost the ideas behind itQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
You guys are big on trading equal treatment for yourself defined view of 'fairness' .You've gone from 'level playing field ' to redistributionist 'spread the wealth.'
Tom you know capitalism can't exist on a level playing field and a flat tax isn't a level playing field. We have debated fairness before and as I recall fairness for you is more for you and less for someoneelse. Fairness Tom is when we all have an equal share of the pie
How very Marxist of you. I say we grow the pie and most, except the very needy ,who we provide for, get what they add to the pie .
There in lies your error, the vast number of people have no ability to add to the pie, they are at the mercy of the few who control the resources. This is why there must be intervention to curb the excesses and inclination of those with the resources to exploit. It isn't just the very poor who should be provided for. You think my ideas are Marxist, but I abhor communism, state ownership of the resources is no better than capitalist ownership
Tom is for the plutocrats. Anything else is just WRONG, no matter what you call it.
that's correct .that is why you need capitalists ;acting in their greedy self interest to grow the pie for all of us. You think the government is capable of it?? (snort... bwa haa haa haa! )Quote:
the vast number of people have no ability to add to the pie
Tom wants a flat tax, it goes with his flat Earth view. He wants everyone to pay the same rate of tax and he calls me a Marxist, one size fits all Tom, in Tom's world view everyone can have the same health care, just so long as they can pay for it
The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence. If 'Thou shalt not covet' and 'Thou shalt not steal' were not commandments of Heaven, they must be made inviolable precepts in every society before it can be civilized or made free.”John Adams
“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.”James Madison
Tom I have said it before you are stuck in the eighteenth century, these men lived in a different society, but more than that they were wealthy slave owners. They were exploiters of the worst kind but you uphold them as some sort of paragons of virtue because they rebelled and were successful
What would these men have thought of your chinese threat? They would have laughed at you
Read up on the history. John Adams was an opposed to slavery ,and although a lawyer ,he was not wealthy . Alexander Hamilton was an abolitionist . So were many other founders like John Jay who also co-wrote the Federalist papers.Quote:
, but more than that they were wealthy slave owners. They were exploiters of the worst kind but you uphold them as some sort of paragons of virtue because they rebelled and were successful
You think the world you progressives has constructed is better ? How so... Western society is imploding in it's debt paying bread and circus. You say I'm stuck in the 18th century ;but your government appease the masses resembles Rome from Augusta to it's fall. When Romans abandoned self responsibility and self reliance, and began to vote themselves benefits, to use government to rob Peter and pay Paul, to put their hands into other people's pockets, to envy and covet the productive and their wealth, their fate was sealed.
Capitalist grow the pie for themselves. If you get a piece, you pay THEM for it. If NOT... keep it moving, nothing to see here.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Everything was great as long as the founding fathers ran things and those god given rights they enjoyed, by their own rules, applied only to them. So was the case with Rome,they fell when their loonies start thinking they were gods entitled to everything, but the money wasn't long enough.
Ruling the world is damn expensive. Trickle down economics didn't work then either.
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