Ask Me Help Desk - Santorum spills the beans

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Is there something about numbers you don't understand?

Nope, I'm just astounded as to how they view the system as broken and are ineffectual to fix it. I guess it's not a priority. Which kind of brings us full circle to the original topic.

All Romney cares about is unfettered capitalism around the world and lowering his taxes by taking away anything that helps the people caught up in his extractionist approach to life.

He is about money, NOT people, unless you are as rich as he is. He wants his plutocracy to grow, and what else would you expect from a silver spoon, with the golden parachute.

Why do you think he wants the Presidentcy, to save the nation. He is certainly not going to save the 47%, he wants to save the 1%

That's why the world hates us because between the bombs blowing them up, and the businessmen who exploit them, its no wonder they are ready to throw rocks.

At last an american who understands, there is hope for you yet

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Nope, I'm just astounded as to how they view the system as broken and are ineffectual to fix it. I guess it's not a priority. Which kind of brings us full circle to the original topic.

Again, is there something about numbers you don't understand? That and what the lefties here like to whine about, obstruction. You just want to paint conservatives (which is not necessarily the same thing as Republicans) as ineffectual. If we don't have the numbers we can't get past the roadblocks to reform now can we?

And if you want to talk about ineffectual just look at the unemployment rate and the price of gas. Oh wait, Obama wanted gas prices to "necessarily skyrocket" so I'd say he was effective in doing just that. Doesn't help the guy looking for a job fill his gas tank but he got his high gas prices.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

All Romney cares about is unfettered capitalism around the world and lowering his taxes by taking away anything that helps the people caught up in his extractionist approach to life.

He is about money, NOT people, unless you are as rich as he is. He wants his plutocracy to grow, and what else would you expect from a silver spoon, with the golden parachute.

He says about a guy who took no pay as governor.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

If we don't have the numbers we can't get past the roadblocks to reform now can we?

So the liberals have blocked you for 60 years??

Did you miss the conjunction in there, too?

Jack Sheldon... what a voice ! But this is his best 'School House Rock ' video.

Schoolhouse Rock - I'm Just a Bill

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

It hasn't been conservatives dumbing down the population for the last 60 years. All those good intellectual progressives are the ones that have been fighting tooth and nail to keep our children in the grip of a failed public education system.

It's far worse in my opinion, for politicians to promote the idea that we don't know what's best for us, that we can only achieve our full potential with the government's help, that government can engineer the individual a la Julia as the "elite intellectuals" arrogantly think they must do.

Hi Steve,

Do you think that an anti-intellectual approach to education is the answer?

If you think that your education system is a failure then you will need to look farther afield than just 'progressive education' or 'regressive education'.

Tutl

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Originally Posted by TUT317

Hi Steve,

Do you think that an anti-intellectual approach to education is the answer?

If you think that your education system is a failure then you will need to look farther afield than just 'progressive education' or 'regressive education'.

Tutl

Tut,

Finding certain aspects of intellectualism troublesome does not preclude my support for intellectual pursuits.

Steve

So what should the kids be taught?

Start with respect, self discipline and the other studies will fall into place. You have to make it meaningful to their daily lives then they will want to learn. School starts with the idea that they are preparing students for higher studies, so the few get the benefit and the many fall by the wayside, start teaching children manual skills at an early age, there can be less emphasis as the child matures

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Originally Posted by talaniman

So what should the kids be taught?

To think for themselves and challenge the drivel that's regurgitated to them every day for starters.

I say start with a safe secure school with many programs to address the children's individual needs, and a balance curriculum. These are kids, they have to be nurtured until they graduate as well as taught.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

I say start with a safe secure school with many programs to address the childrens individual needs, and a balance ciriculum. These are kids, they have to be nurtured until they graduate as well as taught.

Safe, OK. Secure, OK. But liberal "nurturing" is why our schools are failing. Parents should nurture, teachers should teach. You have the roles backwards.

Parents and teachers have to work together to nurture AND teach. Both have to support each other in the best interest of the child. That's NOT backwards.

The PTA (parents/teachers association) use to be the hub for such cooperative relations.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

The PTA (parents/teachers association) used to be the hub for such cooperative relations.

Yes Tal until the teachers decided they didn't need PTA "advice"

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Originally Posted by paraclete

Yes Tal until the teachers decided they didn't need PTA "advice"

That's because the moms went to work in the late '70s and early '80s, deserting the schools and taking away the volunteer strength. I had kids in 1970 and 1975 and was a school volunteer during the height and then the end of school volunteering. Our school of 275 had 68 mom and dad volunteers doing tutoring, paper grading, lunch and playground monitoring, classroom tutors and mods, art and music volunteer programs, you name it.

And what did you get? Schools full of morons with no respect for anything

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Originally Posted by paraclete

and what did you get? schools full of morons with no respect for anything

Nope. It gave the teachers time to prepare and actually teach and not have to busy themselves with mundane duties. Handwriting, art, music, recess, gym class, a half-hour lunch period were all part of the regular school day. Plus, parents were very visible as volunteers, so behavior was much better. And the students knew both teachers and parents cared and wanted to see their best work.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Tut,

Finding certain aspects of intellectualism troublesome does not preclude my support for intellectual pursuits.

Steve

That's good to hear.

Going on Santorum's C.V. I would say he has many intellectual pursuits. However, he must think there is some political milage in pushing this anti-intellectual line.

Tut

Tut ,it's the opposite . It's the Ivy League egg heads who think they have a monopoloy on the correct way to structure society and govern it . Look at the disdain shown here for the 'stupid ','dumb' etc. . That is prevalent among the left .

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Nope. It gave the teachers time to prepare and actually teach and not have to busy themselves with mundane duties. Handwriting, art, music, recess, gym class, a half-hour lunch period were all part of the regular school day. Plus, parents were very visible as volunteers, so behavior was much better. And the students knew both teachers and parents cared and wanted to see their best work.

How's that working out for you?

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Tut ,it's the opposite . It's the Ivy League egg heads who think they have a monopoloy on the correct way to structure society and govern it . Look at the disdain shown here for the 'stupid ','dumb' etc. . That is prevalent among the left .

I couldn't disagree more as it seems a lack of willingness to compromise that's gumming up the works here, and its not the egg heads in Ivy town that say my way, or the highway.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Look at the disdain shown here for the 'stupid ','dumb' etc. . That is prevalent among the left .

Hello again, tom:

You may be fine with STUPID politicians making laws that effect your life, but I'm not. As long as your side reserves its "disdain" for the elite, and the educated, your side will remain STUPID.

Do I have disdain for the stupid? Not as long as the stupid aren't running my life.

excon

Ex stupid is someone who thinks he can succeed without people

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, tom:

You may be fine with STUPID politicians making laws that effect your life, but I'm not. As long as your side reserves its "disdain" for the elite,

That's just plain funny coming from those who supported the collective hissy fit protesting the "1 percent" known as the Occupy movement. I thought disdain for the elite was a good thing.

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and the educated, your side will remain STUPID.

Do I have disdain for the stupid? Not as long as the stupid aren't running my life.

Excon

No one has disdain for education, unless you're an Islamist that wants his women stupid, I have disdain for the liberal education system we have that produces Obots that try to force their students to sign a pledge to vote for Obama, argues with their students, browbeats a little white girl for supporting McCain and teach them to sing the praises of Barack.

Why shouldn't I be pi$$ed at that?

That's 3 dumb teachers that are Obots, the rest must be conservative. You guys have the advantage actually.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

No one has disdain for education, unless you're an Islamist that wants his women stupid, I have disdain for the liberal education system we have that produces Obots that try to force their students to sign a pledge to vote for Obama, argues with their students, browbeats a little white girl for supporting McCain and teach them to sing the praises of Barack.

Why shouldn't I be pi$$ed at that?

So the quality of liberty is somewhat strained and this sort of behaviour is a failure of education and those who teach

Loonys left and right.The point is..

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Tut ,it's the opposite . It's the Ivy League egg heads who think they have a monopoloy on the correct way to structure society and govern it . Look at the disdain shown here for the 'stupid ','dumb' etc. . That is prevalent among the left .

Hummm. Seems to Operate both ways.

"It's the Ivy League egg heads who think they have a monopoly on the correct way to structure society and govern it".

A little bit of disdain here, Tom?

Tut

Just giving some back . We are not a nation of elites ;financial , educationally .

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Originally Posted by tomder55

just giving some back . We are not a nation of elites ;financial , educationally .

And that's pretty much what the Occupy movement was saying.

What were they looking for ? More government cheese.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

what were they looking for ? more government cheese.

Hello tom:

We were looking to put the banksters in jail... Even Ronald Reagan went after 'em. What?? You LIKE getting ripped off?

excon

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Originally Posted by tomder55

what were they looking for ? more government cheese.

Nope, they believe that those financial elites in the corporate world and the government have a disproportional influence on all matters that have curtailed economic mobility.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello tom:

We were looking to put the banksters in jail... Even Ronald Reagan went after 'em. What??? You LIKE getting ripped off?

excon

I'm the one who says the banks should've been allowed to fail. So long as the country continues to embrace moral hazard then we will continue to have "banksters".. Want to put people in jail ? How about the public servants who were bribed (hello Frank and Dodd!! ) .