Ask Me Help Desk - Let's talk racism

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I don't talk to you about sports.

Awww, give yourself a pat on the back for being so clever.

Back to the OP. Do you have anything useful to say on the topic?

Do you?

(we could do this all day!)

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Do you?

(we could do this all day!)

If you like wasting your time on puerile games knock yourself out.

Roger that.

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Originally Posted by Magpie95

Oh come on. You're just upset because he busted you guys on your hypocrisy. Your name calling the same as lefties did to Bush. You're no better in that department. And the fact that you are trying to justify it makes it even sadder.

Based on what you are saying here, perhaps our government should model Canada's? Sounds like its so great up there that they could possible understand our issues. Right! Ha.

And by disasterous mistakes...you mean something besides invading the wrong country after 911and justfying it with the search for Santa Claus WMDs? Doh!

Cripes... OBAMA hasn't done ANYTHING right since the day he took office...

No.. Canadas government is almost a joke (not as bad as Italy's which is a joke)... and far from perfect.

Incidentally... I do have a business in making thoise statements because I wasn't born yesterday... and I've had to live with DECADES of the left wing lies they spread on people that are basically clueless about reality. Because their only source of information is from the propaganda the left has spread. Few of them have actually seen any events themselves much less a lot of them.

Incidentally in the course of the last 30 years... I've seen and been part of MANY things I am not under liberty to discuss in detail in person... much less on a site like this.

Some major events that have been completely misrepresented and some that have been covered up...

And know what... it was a shock to me when I first started to see this first hand and I've seen so much over the last 3 dacades is flat out disgusts me these days.

So I AM in a position to make these statements...

Is it unique to the USA... nope, not at all, its actually worse in other countries. Yes I have lived and worked abroad for significant periods. And yes I still do travel and spend significant time overseas... enough I have property and interests in more than one country as well as retain the ability to work in the EU as well as the USA.

You should write a book!

Pandering shamelessly for the racist vote doesn't make you a racist, just an opportunistic exploiter of fears. Nixons own southern strategy was the basis to this type of electioneering.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Pandering shamelessly for the racist vote doesn't make you a racist, just an opportunistic exploiter of fears. Nixons own southern strategy was the basis to this type of electioneering.

I take you mean the GOP based on these mysterious code words popping up everywhere.

??

Grow up, enough of this racist bullsh*t.

You cannot talk about racism if you don't acknowledge its existence.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

You should write a book!

I could.. if I was so inclined... but there are such things as non-disclosure agreements without experation dates.

Totally besides the point I have ZERO desire to write a book. I just don't enjoy doing that sort of thing.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

You cannot talk about racism if you don't acknowledge its existance.

Oh it does exist... its that it exists MOST in areas that are not politically correct to acknowledge... like in the Black community where Hispanics are hated as well as are Asians... and even whites.

The torch bearers among rascists aren't White these days. Most often they are anything BUT white.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

The torch bearers amoung rascists aren't White these days. Most often they are anything BUT white.

Because the white race is dominant?

The National Memo The Republican Convention Has A Serious Race Problem

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Although the RNC does not keep exact demographic statistics, The Grio reports that various counts show between 28 and 47 black delegates at this year's convention, out of 2,286 total. That's less than 2 percent.

That lack of diversity is also reflected in polls of the presidential race. Mitt Romney, who quickly identified immigration as an issue where he could veer to the right of his opponents in the Republican primary, now trails President Obama among Latino voters by a 39 point margin. His standing among African-Americans is exponentially worse; according to one recent poll, black voters favor President Obama over Romney by a 94 to zero percent margin. Yes, a major party candidate for president of the United States is polling at zero percent among African-Americans.

Rather than reach out to minority communities, however, Romney and the Republicans seem intent on belittling them. Much of the 2012 convention has been devoted to widely debunked lies that President Obama has eliminated the work requirement from welfare, and that he's robbing Medicare to pay for the Affordable Care Act (which right wingers consider to be the ultimate government handout.) The message could not be more clear: Obama is giving your hard earned money to indolent, dependent blacks.

Just saying what we all are just saying.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

You cannot talk about racism if you don't acknowledge its existance.

I'm really tired of that cliché, too. It's just another one of those things you guys on the left do to try and end the discussion without giving any real answers.

Virtually everyone acknowledges the existence of racism. We cannot get past racism if you keep injecting racism where it doesn't exist.

Acknowledge that.

P.S. And as for your silly memo up there, a perfect example of what I just said, injecting racism where it doesn't exist.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Because the white race is dominant?

No... because racism is alive and well among every other race too ( and even more common there)... its not hard to see... its not something only whites do... contrary to what the left tries to portray.

People from Spain look down on hispanics, hispanics look down on native americans.. and other hispanic groups, Asians do the same thing, Blacks do too, African=americans look down on real Africans... dark skined blacks are looked down upon by light skinned blacks... etc... etc... etc...

I don't know if Inuits share in this trait or not.

I have never heard a Dem defend workfare . It took some serious arm twisting to get Clintoon to pass it in the 1st place and we know that the President(who has publicly spoken against workfare in the past ) will do what he can to weaken it's provisions . I expect an EO ending it in his 2nd term or some decision by Sebellius that guts the major provisions..

How's this, can you guys hearing the dog whistles just tell us up front what all these code words are at once instead of adding to the list as it suits you?

I already have "golf", "welfare", “holding down the fort”, "state's rights", “entitlement society”, "food stamps", "founding fathers", “old-fashioned American values” and the latest, "Chicago."

What else sets off your magic decoder rings?

I think it's a result of years of drug use... obvious paranoid delusions. Voices in their heads... the wallpaper speaking to them, and their toaster discussing philosephy.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

How's this, can you guys hearing the dog whistles just tell us up front what all these code words are at once instead of adding to the list as it suits you?

I already have "golf", "welfare", “holding down the fort”, "state's rights", “entitlement society”, "food stamps", "founding fathers", “old-fashioned American values” and the latest, "Chicago."

What else sets off your magic decoder rings?

What does all this mean? What are code words? And how does it relate to racism?

I think its great when people are passionate about their views. But it scary when a person has drank the Kool Aid to the point that they can't see that all this stuff happens in BOTH parties.

Racism in America: Today Futile Democracy

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Now I wouldn't immediately jump to the conclusion that the Tea Party is an inherently racist organisation, it is mainly a vehicle to promote the incoherent ramblings of an uneducated economically far right puritanical Republican group wholly run by Corporate America to advance its interest at the behest of even the idiots who indirectly fight for the rights of Corporate America, now slowly morphed to include racism as part of their base.

Not saying it doesn't exist on both sides, but clearly is used to further a more hidden agenda. But why else would my right wing brothers justify the lies that Romney is pushing? All these freaking threads we have discussed, and none of them has bothered to read the freaking website their candidate presents or question any of it.

That's my point.

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Originally Posted by Magpie95

What does all this mean? What are code words? And how does it relate to racism?

I think its great when people are passionate about their views. But it scary when a person has drank the kool aid to the point that they can't see that all this stuff happens in BOTH parties.

What does it all mean? It means the left interprets those words as racist code any time a conservative/Republican/Tea Partier uses such. It's a total figment of their imagination - they work overtime to find racism where it doesn't exist to have an excuse to demonize us, pat themselves on the back and glow in their self-righteousness.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Racism in America: Today Futile Democracy

This person is completely out of touch with reality.

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Not saying it doesn't exist on both sides, but clearly is used to further a more hidden agenda. But why else would my right wing brothers justify the lies that Romney is pushing? All these freaking threads we have discussed, and none of them has bothered to read the freaking website their candidate presents or question any of it.

That's my point.

No one argues here from the lack of evidence better than you, Tal. Your point is pointless.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

What does it all mean? It means the left interprets those words as racist code any time a conservative/Republican/Tea Partier uses such. It's a total figment of their imagination - they work overtime to find racism where it doesn't exist to have an excuse to demonize us, pat themselves on the back and glow in their self-righteousness.

Haha. You are completely over the top. Perhaps, the democratic party is also secretly ran by aliens. I have never heard of this code word business. You sound very paranoid. I recommend wearing a foil hat.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

No one argues here from the lack of evidence better than you, Tal. Your point is pointless.

His point isn't pointless, as I understand it he'd rather discuss facts from the Romney/Ryan plan instead of having constant issues based on stirring up emotions dominate the discussion.

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Originally Posted by Magpie95

Haha. You are completely over the top.

Over the top? Bwa ha ha, I can back every one of those up.

"golf"
"welfare"
“holding down the fort”
"state's rights"
“entitlement society”
"food stamps"
"founding fathers"
“old-fashioned American values”
"Chicago"

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Perhaps, the democratic party is also secretly ran by aliens. I have never heard of this code word business. You sound very paranoid. I recommend wearing a foil hat.

Odd, but since I just see people, and not their color I should wear a tin foil hat? You should learn quickly Magpie that I don't say much that I can't back up. Give the tinfoil hats to those idiots up there hearing dog whistles.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

His point isn't pointless, as I understand it he'd rather discuss facts from the Romney/Ryan plan instead of having constant issues based on stirring up emotions dominate the discussion.

And you'd rather defend the straw man which is all his post was. No surprise, you're an expert at building straw men.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

And you'd rather defend the straw man which is all his post was. No surprise, you're an expert at building straw men.

I honestly have no idea what that means. I thought my post was quite straightforward.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

I honestly have no idea what that means. I thought my post was quite straightforward.

His post was a straw man, you defended it. What's not to understand?

Dog whistle, that's the one only dogs can hear, so if someone heard a dog whistle it is time to think about your circumstance

Do you have to be a newt to hear a dog whistle

Code words, buses, straw men, and tinfoil hats?

HAHAHA I don't even think you guys know what you're arguing about.

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Originally Posted by ITstudent2006

Code words, buses, straw men, and tinfoil hats?

HAHAHA I don't even think you guys know what you're arguing about.

You're right. I got lost a couple of pages ago. I don't know what's going on but apparently speechlesstx gets called a racist a lot.

Its those snarky tea party remarks about what the government should be doing for him and his church and not for people that gets him sounding like one. I mean how do you support corporate welfare for the rich, but deny it for the poor?

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Its those snarky tea party remarks about what the government should be doing for him and his church and not for people that gets him sounding like one. I mean how do you support corporate welfare for the rich, but deny it for the poor?

Wow. I vote for you! Seriously, the tea party doesn't represent the majority.

Speeclesstx, I don't believe I have ever met you... What exactly is it that you have a problem or question about? Are YOU a republican? If not, then are YOU racist? If not, then who cares! Republican or democrat... we are ALL racist to some degree!

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Originally Posted by talaniman

I mean how do you support corporate welfare for the rich, but deny it for the poor?

It's easy tal, the poor don't own corporations. Remember it is the Republican position that corporations are people

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Originally Posted by Enigma1999

Republican or democrat...we are ALL racist to some degree!

Do you have something to back this statement up? I don't believe it for a minute that everyone is racist. I do believe the democratic party has some of the most racist people that exist. They have proven it ever since they lost their fight against continuing slavery.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racism

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Originally Posted by califdadof3

I do believe the democratic party has some of the most racist people that exist. They have proven it ever since they lost thier fight against continuing slavery.

What are you smoking?? LOL

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

What are you smoking??? LOL

When you look at what the democrat party has done and how they regard so many people as beneath them they fit the definition. It speaks for itself.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

So Republicans just hate black people, is that it?

www.wiki.org/wiki/Loaded_question

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Originally Posted by califdadof3

When you look at what the democrat party has done and how they regaurd so many people as beneath them they fit the definition. It speaks for itself.

Not a single person wants a return to slavery days. But if the above is your staunch worldview then no one can change that I guess. Good luck.

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Originally Posted by califdadof3

Do you have something to back this statement up? I dont believe it for a minute that everyone is racist. I do believe the democratic party has some of the most racist people that exist. They have proven it ever since they lost thier fight against continuing slavery.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racism

To a certain degree I said. WE have all done it at one point or another.