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Hello Steve:
I agree that Joe Biden was addressing black people. He told them that the Republicans were going to put them "back in chains".
Who did he offend?
excon
Me for one. It should offend blacks as well (and it did offend "the nation's first elected black governor, Virginia's L. Douglas Wilder").Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
It wasn't just what he said but how he said it, "they gon' put y'all back in chains!" Since when does Biden say "they" for "they're," "gon'" for "going to" and "y'all" for "you?" If a white conservative had done something similar the media and black activists would have had a nuclear hissy fit.
It's time to end this racist BS, are you with me or not?
How low can he go?
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I didn't find it racist... Racism is when you disdain a particular group. There was NO disdain in his remarks... And, you KNOW he has no disdain for black people in his heart. Or, maybe YOU don't. This is the same kind of false accusation you make when a black artist uses the "n' word. To YOU, simply the mention of the word is RACIST... What the word MEANT - or the CONTEXT in which the word was spoken DOESN'T matter to you.
But, in the real world, CONTEXT does matter.
excon
It was racial pandering at its purest, you gon' deny that? Really ex, there is only one way to interpret telling a largely black audience that a white guy is going to put them back in chains. That intentionally conjures up one image...
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His comment is inexcusable and indefensible, and that you would defend, gloss over it and refuse to join me in stopping this racist BS is quite revealing.
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I don't know if you glossed, or just missed it.. But, I AGREE with you that it conjures up only ONE image, and you NAILED it... Ceptin for ONE thing.. Biden wasn't just talking about a white guy. He was talking about a REPUBLICAN white guy, and I AGREE with him.. What's RACIST about telling the TRUTH??
excon
Are you also appalled by the hidden racism under guise of voter fraud suppressing blacks and minorities from voting? Even after you repubs admitted that was the goal?
Ohio GOP Admits Early Voting Cutbacks Are Racially Motivated | The Nation
At least Biden knows the language of those he speaks to, and gives them warning about YOU guys who are lying and saying its about election integrity, and not election fixing.Quote:
Why do Ohio Republicans suddenly feel so strongly about limiting early voting hours in Democratic counties? Franklin County (Columbus) GOP Chair Doug Preisse gave a surprisingly blunt answer to the Columbus Dispatch on Sunday: “I guess I really actually feel we shouldn't contort the voting process to accommodate the urban—read African-American—voter-turnout machine.” Preisse is not some rogue operative but the chairman of the Republican Party in Ohio's second-largest county and a close adviser to Ohio Governor John Kasich.
Like Pennsylvania House majority leader Mike Turzai, who said his state's voter ID law “is going to allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania,” Preisse said publicly what many Republicans believe privately—keeping turnout down among Obama supporters is the best way for the GOP to win the 2012 election. That's why, since the 2010 election, Republicans have devoted so much energy to voter-suppression efforts like limiting early voting hours, restricting voter registration drives, passing voter ID laws, disenfranchising ex-felons and purging the voter rolls.
Your outrage over Joe, while ignoring your own is pretty selective to me and not very credible.
The question is what's truthful about it? You have nothing, absolutely nothing to justify that claim. In fact, the facts tell a story just the opposite. Republicans fight to liberate people from their government master, it's Democrats that fight to keep blacks under a federal slave master.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Dude, truth is not a matter of you repeating the same lies until someone believes it.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
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WASHINGTON—In the wake of last weekend's highly controversial comments from Rep. Todd Akin (R-MO), top Republican officials condemned the congressman's statements Monday, calling them a black mark on the party's otherwise flawless record on women's rights issues.
“Throughout our history, whether it's been our position on birth control, abortion, or equal pay for equal work, Republicans have always stood together with women, listening to their needs and fighting for issues that are are important to them. That is why we were stunned that someone from our own party could have made such insensitive remarks or expressed such uninformed opinions about women,” said Republican National Committee chairman Reince Priebus, calling Akin's comments an outlier, especially when one considers the huge, progressive strides—both personally and professionally—the GOP has helped women make over the years. “We apologize for Congressman Akin. And we want the nation's women to know that they will continue to have no greater ally than the Republican Party.” Priebus added that while there was certainly no excuse for Akin's comments, after 150 years without a single insensitive remark against women, perhaps the GOP was due.
So he didn't say it and the newspaper lied?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
No they don't, you are making that up!!Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Republicans fight to liberate people from their government master, it's Democrats that fight to keep blacks under a federal slave master.
How did we get to The Onion and Akin on a thread about the Obama campaign's sleaze tactics? Back to the OP.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
No, the newspaper didn't lie, the opinion guy did. He twisted the words to fit in his nice little outraged box instead of showing it was about was about keeping the process fair and equal for all. EXACTLY what we've been saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
We're not the ones telling them to depend on the government a la Julia.Quote:
No they don't, you are making that up!!
Helping some one that hasn't asked for help was the same rational for slavery, so should they be grateful to massa for help? Will you change your name? Or be upsetwhen they reject YOUR help?
I mean, who asked you for YOUR help?? Whose even asking YOU for help with the baby in the females belly?
Dude, a) you can't be truly liberated if you're beholden to massa Obama.
b) I didn't ask for Obama's "help" with my healthcare. I can't be liberated if I depend on unaccountable bureaucrats to decide what treatments I can have.
c) I'm not forcing "help" or anything else on on anyone, I fight for the right of a helpless child to get a chance at life.
Dude, a) you can't be truly liberated if you're beholden to massa Obama.
But you're not.
b) I didn't ask for Obama's "help" with my healthcare. I can't be liberated if I depend on unaccountable bureaucrats to decide what treatments I can have.
That's not how universal healthcare works, educate yourself.
c) I'm not forcing "help" or anything else on on anyone, I fight for the right of a helpless child to get a chance at life.
You're telling a woman what to do with her body. Don't speak for all women. let them decide on their own, they don't need massa speechless to tell them what to do. Feel free to force your beliefs on the your fellow followers. Not everyone believes what you do - is that so hard to understand?
Partisan straw man opinion. Why doesn't that apply to massa Mitt?Quote:
QUOTE by speechlesstx;
Dude,
a) you can't be truly liberated if you're beholden to massa Obama.
More straw man partisan rhetoric, you can spend your money anyway you want if you have any left after Mitt gets done with you.Quote:
b) I didn't ask for Obama's "help" with my healthcare. I can't be liberated if I depend on unaccountable bureaucrats to decide what treatments I can have.
Now I get it, Julia and Otis are children to be told whats best for them.Quote:
c) I'm not forcing "help" or anything else on on anyone, I fight for the right of a helpless child to get a chance at life.
Got it massa Speech!, Or would you rather be DADDY?
[QUOTE=NeedKarma;3244361]I didn't say I was, duh.Quote:
Dude, a) you can't be truly liberated if you're beholden to massa Obama.
But you're not.
15 unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats called the Independent Payment Advisory Board will be tasked to ration Medicare under the guise of "price controls." Obama has already alluded to expanding their role beyond Medicare. Educate yourself.Quote:
b) I didn't ask for Obama's "help" with my healthcare. I can't be liberated if I depend on unaccountable bureaucrats to decide what treatments I can have.
That's not how universal healthcare works, educate yourself.
No, I'm trying to SAVE the CHILD, and if that happens to result in one woman avoiding the painful emotional after effects of an abortion, all the better.Quote:
c) I'm not forcing "help" or anything else on on anyone, I fight for the right of a helpless child to get a chance at life.
You're telling a woman what to do with her body.
I don't speak for anyone but me, so that's just another straw man. If anyone is pretending to speak for all women it's progressives/liberals and media wonks, and it really pi$$es off a lot of women that don't want to be boxed into their stupid stereotypes.Quote:
Don't speak for all women. Let them decide on their own, they don't need massa speechless to tell them what to do.
Since I've already made clear I don't force anything on anyone and you have no evidence whatsoever to back that up, you're just poisoning the well, something you excel at on a regular basis.Quote:
Feel free to force your beliefs on the your fellow followers.
Nothing I've ever said would lead to that conclusion. Is that so hard to understand?Quote:
Not everyone believes what you do - is that so hard to understand?
That's easy, Mitt isn't the one expanding government exponentially, giving himself credit on the bios of others and running on the premise that his policies are going to take care of you from cradle to grave. Nothing partisan about it, the facts speak for themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
The FACT that I didn't ask for Obama's help with my health care, and in FACT vehemently opposed his involvement (as did the Majority of Americans) is a straw man? Dude, you don't know what rhetoric or straw man means.Quote:
More straw man partisan rhetoric, you can spend your money anyway you want if you have any left after Mitt gets done with you.
No one on this side of the aisle is campaigning on cradle to grave care so you can only be speaking of Obama the Messiah.Quote:
Now I get it, Julia and Otis are children to be told whats best for them.
Got it massa Speech!, Or would you rather be DADDY?
Let the people involved do that - stay out of their lives!Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
What about the children of rape and incest victims?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
No, I'm trying to SAVE the CHILD,
Don't force your beliefs on me, not everyone believes as you do -is that so hard to understand?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
What about them?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
LOL! The mind of the right-wing fanatic at work. Apparently my wanting to allow people to make their own decisions and live their own lives is equal to forcing my beliefs on them. This is why we can't take you seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
As usual you can't grasp the message. I have as much right to an opinion and to try and INFLUENCE others as you do. It's a public forum -is that so hard to understand? If you can't handle that then feel free to stay out of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
If it were just an opinion that'd be OK, but you guys want a constitutional amendment that applies to everyone in the US - that's not OK.
P.S. to the mods - fair warning, if he continues to throw out ad hominems and do nothing but provoke I will defend myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
You don't understand our system, if the people want an amendment we get an amendment. Doesn't matter what you think.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Haha, you have called liberals names over the past 5 years and you're still here. Put on your big girl underwear and stop being offended every single time. Thin skin people really shouldn't be on open forums.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
You know you really could add something useful to these discussions if you'd get your head out of your...Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Hello again,
Is this the page where we post about the nuts from the other side?? If not, please excuse me...
Have you heard about what's going on in Lubbock? Here's what their head judge said,Here's what OTHER Texans are saying about what HE said,Quote:
“He [Obama] is going to try to hand over the sovereignty of the United States to the U.N. ” Mr. Head said on Fox 34 last week. “O.K. what's going to happen when that happens? I'm thinking worst-case scenario: civil unrest, civil disobedience, civil war, maybe. And we're not talking just a few riots here and demonstrations. We're talking Lexington, Concord, take up arms and get rid of the guy.”
And if the president did send in United Nations troops, Mr. Head continued, “I don't want 'em in Lubbock County. O.K. So I'm going to stand in front of their armored personnel carriers and say, 'You're not coming in here.' And the sheriff, I've already asked him. I said, 'You going to back me?' He said, 'Yeah, I'll back you.'
“Well, I don't want a bunch of rookies back there,” Mr. Head said. “I want trained, equipped, seasoned veteran officers to back me.”
Frankly, I think we should just set Texas adrift...Quote:
“I believe that we need a sheriff's militia to protect Lubbock County, and get all the sheriffs in Texas to start a militia to protect Texas,” Kim Wade Gatewood, 48, told the commissioners and Mr. Head.
After the hearing, Mr. Gatewood, an agricultural contractor, identified himself as the counsel general of the interim government of the Republic of Texas, which he said was not active at the moment. “If secession happens,” he said, “it'll be active in a split second.”
Excon
Ol' tingly legged Chris Matthews is upset at the GOP for "dividing the country along racial lines." Says Chris:
Does anyone remember if Tingles called out Biden for accusing Romney and Ryan of wanting to put blacks "back in chains"?Quote:
"It is obvious that this is something I care passionately about: race was abused by white politicians in my lifetime, including Reagan. For someone to come on the program and deny that this is part of their process, I couldn't take that," Matthews said. "This is something I really, deeply believe in. We grew up in a country where appeals to race have been awful, terrible. This language -- we are beyond this. It had to be called out."
Not sure, maybe we could ask MagicUnderwear.
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
You guys are a bit mixed up about race.. It's possible to talk about race WITHOUT it being racist... As we discussed earlier, YOU were offended by Biden's remarks.. I don't blame you.. He was DISSING you... But, BLACK people weren't... It wasn't OFFENSIVE to them.. It WASN'T racist. It was TRUTH. It was POLITICS.
In MY view, if the Republicans win, they WILL metaphorically, and maybe even physically, put black people "back in chains"...
Go ahead, call me a racist.
excon
This coming from the guy who just posted about a kook in Lubbock? Have you ever been to Lubbock? Please, set it adrift. But if you think the GOP wants to put blacks in chains, literally, economically, metaphorically or whatever, you and those blacks who believed Biden are not any more sane than the kook in Lubbock.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
So 94% of the black voters are kooky not to trust righties and republicans? Wonder why?
Ya know, that's a darn good question. Perhaps it's because your side loves to try and scare the hell out of them for no valid reason, "they gon' put y'all back in chains." But no, it's deeper than that...Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Like I said, it's not our side keeping blacks in chains, and the nation's first black president just continues keeping them on the "Paternalistic Psychological Plantation."Quote:
Why Do Blacks Vote Democrat?
As a youngster someone told me that the Democrats are for the little guy. Therefore, I decided that I must be a Democrat. I was a true Democrat until I was about nine years old and I figured out that not only were the Democrats not for the little guy but they definitely were not for me, a black person. I was nine years old in 1968, this was the year that Rev. King was assassinated and Pres. Nixon was elected. It was the Democratic Party in the south that Rev. King was fighting. He fought against segregationists like Democratic Georgia Governor Lester Maddox, Alabama Governor George Wallace and Democratic Public Safety Commissioner Eugene "Bull" Connor in Birmingham who was the man that released dogs and used skin scorching fire hoses against blacks. I can still remember convincing my mother that Nixon was the better candidate and the Republican Party should be supported because they were for all people not just “the little” people. If I am a “little” person what is it that I need? Little people need big people to take care of them. How did I figure this out at such a very early age? I read about the Civil War and the freedom that it brought my ancestors. It's just pure common sense that the people who were your enemy one day could not be your friend the next. This is the reason I have such a hard time answering the question, why do blacks vote Democrat? It’s emotional but here is my opinion based on the facts that I have read and lived over the years.
“When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me.” 1 Cor. 13:11 This verse is what I perceive to be the whole problem. Let’s take a tour back in time to the days just before the Civil War. Most blacks lived in the south and most were slaves. Slaves were given their meager portions of food and poor lodging by their masters. They were told how to talk, “Yes, Master,” what to think, “You are worth whatever I paid for you” and when and where to go. Black people were told not to think, in fact they were told they could not think for themselves because God created them for servitude. It was the northern Abolitionist who first said this was an abomination. That one man should not enslave another. They were the ones who said we needed to live out our creed that all are equal in the eyes of Almighty God.
Once the Civil War ended the struggle for equality began. Most blacks saw the Republican Party as the party of freedom and during Reconstruction this was true. Reconstruction had to end and the Republican Party became a minority party in the south with very few white Republicans. The Democrats or the three “s” party, slavery, secession and segregation, had all the power and wielded it with an iron fist. Virtually enslaving blacks all over again.
Blacks in the south were left alone to fight for themselves, their paternalistic Republican Party left them to build alliances of their own. This failed miserably because the last thing the racist south wanted were free blacks, they wanted slaves, free labor and power. The violence that was released upon the freedmen was unbearable and the freedmen gave up their equality to be considered lesser men. Many injustices ensued at the hands of white racist Democrats but even when the Republicans tried to help they we rebuffed by the majority, the Democrats. President Theodore Roosevelt tried to intervene through the infamous peonage trials but could not stop the incidents of involuntary servitude. Therefore, blacks felt abandoned even though all the advances of the black race was a product of the Republican Party from 1860 to 1968 they left the party in droves when the Democrats started offering social programs to take care of “the little man.” Encouraged by the likes of Jesse Jackson more blacks voted Democrat. Because of Democratic social programs more black men left the home in order to let the government send money to take care of his family. He planted his seed far and wide and when the seed was rejected because the planter would be absent, our precious babies were aborted in the millions, all federally funded by Democratic social engineering.
Republicans kept offering a hand up and Democrats a handout. Handouts being easier they were accepted over a hand up. Even blacks that did not take handouts were glad that they were there so they wouldn't have to be responsible for their brothers and sisters. They voted and still vote to keep government handouts going because it is easier than arguing with those who won’t work or taking care of those who can’t. This is a syndrome that has affected all of our society and the Democratic Party has solidified its base of those who want government to be responsible instead of being responsible themselves. I admit that I could be wrong about some of my observations but I think they are rational and supported by history. Why do blacks vote Democrat, because there are so few responsible black men! Many blacks have been duped into a paternalistic psychological slavery where to be taken care of by the government is encouraged, freedom of thought is discouraged and to be different from the group is not tolerated. Clarence Thomas, Condoleezza Rice and Michael Steele along with other Black Republicans are repudiated because they stand for responsibility and freedom, they are not on the Paternalistic Psychological Plantation.
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I don't know.. Suppressing their vote is metaphorically keeping them in chains.. The Democrats aren't doing that. You are..
Besides, IF what you quoted above had even a scintilla of truth about it, you'd think you'd have a minimum of 40% of the black people who believe it. Ok, maybe 25%... No?? Let's go for 10%.. Still too many?? How about ZERO %??
Alan West doesn't count. Literally, he DOESN'T count.. Even if there are MORE Alan West's around, there isn't enough of them to measure even 1% of the black people..
Obama enjoys their support 94% to ZERO... You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool black people into thinking the right wing represents THEIR interests...
excon
So he is giving a handout to get minorities access to higher education while you guys want to cut it? Is that why you guys want more tax breaks for rich guys to take overseas to invest in sweat shops instead of Americans? Is that why you don't want contraceptives for poor women?
You say plantation thinking, or a least your writer does, but he offers no examples for his claims of helping anyone but rich white guys. Just bashing. Like you always say, its his OPINION. Even Michael Steele has said until the repubs get more diverse, they will never broaden the tent. And a few blacks in the window is NO proof of anything.
You tried, but some examples of the efforts of repubs to help minorities get off the plantation would help me see your point.
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