Then Holder has nothing to hide, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
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Then Holder has nothing to hide, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Doesn't the subpoena call for Holder to release some information that he's legally PREVENTED from releasing?? I think it does. Should ALL the conversations between the president and the attorney general be exposed? Nahhh.
So, even though he nothing to "hide", he has plenty that isn't anybody's business. Besides, you ask the wrong question. The one I'd ask is how badly is Romney AND the Republican brand going to be HURT by this witch hunt.
excon
Good thing nobody got killed or anything, right?
Repeating ad nauseum a talking point - that is the far right's modis operandi.
Excuse me, but those are my words and mine alone and I'll keep repeating them ad nauseum until you guys take the death of Brian Terry seriously. Apparently people getting killed is no big deal to you.
Good thing nobody got killed or anything, right?
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
If it's SUCH a big deal, why don't you hold the guy who actually DID Fast and Furious, accountable? THOSE dots can be connected. I don't know WHY Issa doesn't do that - unless his intention is NOT to hold people to account, but to make POLITICAL waves.
Surely, there's NO evidence that Holder OR Obama had ANYTHING to DO with what actually KILLED the guy you seem so worried about.
excon
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Originally Posted by excon
He said it better.
Again I ask, where does the buck stop? Who is responsible for F&F?? Why did Holder lie? Why has he stonewalled for over a year? Why did Obama cover for him? None of these questions honestly trouble you?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Darn it, good thing nobody got killed or anything.
Spam and trolling.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
The buck STARTS at the NRA.
Dems urge NRA to stay out of contempt fight - TheHill.com
But it's OK for Dems to send thousands of weapons to Mexico to influence American politics about gun control ?
Lame and pathetic and totally inaccurate. An "Ultra Member" is not a troll by definition, but if I'm a troll then so are you. Actually, you're more of a creeper.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Hello tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
You COULD say that if you're a believer in THAT particular conspiracy theory. The good news is, if you take your tin foil hat off, the conspiracy will disappear.
excon
That wasn't the question and the NRA has as much right to petition congress as the SEIU. The question was where does the buck STOP?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Hold on, podner... You're all wrapped up in right wing world... We KNOW who authorized F&F. Now, it's true, the president is responsible for EVERYTHING the federal government does... The buck stops with him. You don't really need him to tell you that.
Now, I understand the right wing, in the absence of ANY evidence whatsoever, THINKS that Holder or Obama did something wrong... It's that, or the Republicans want to CREATE a scandal out of whole cloth, during election season...
I suspect, it's the latter.
excon
It has been in investigation for over a year. Seems to me it was the stonewalling Adm that created the scandal.
So those 17 Democrats who voted with the Reps "want to CREATE a scandal out of whole cloth, during election season"??
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I don't know.. When you were younger, you were at least CLOSER to the truth than you are these days. Now, you're out there somewhere... Come back... Come back...
Truly, we both know that the Democrats who voted with the Republicans are afraid of losing their seats, because they're intimidated by the NRA. It's true. You guys move in lockstep much better than the Democrats do. Plus, your guys don't seem so chicken..
Like you said, it IS election season.
excon
The truth? Are you really interested in the truth? If you were you'd want to know what they're hiding. This isn't Roger Clemens, this is a pattern of stonewalling, lying, retracting. Refusing to comply with subpoenas and refusing to make key witnesses available for interviewing before the Committee.
You guys keep whining about never having so and so testify, well the DoJ won't make them available and the FBI and the DEA never submitted anything the Committee requested. You want blood out of a turnip?
My mom sure likes not falling through that donut hole, bet yours does too. OOPS! Wrong thread!!
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
What's interesting in this election season (or any other for that matter), is that for every event, we have TWO sets of facts. And, they're not even close.. There's not even an ATTEMPT at finding out exactly WHAT the truth is. It's DESTROY the other guy so you can WIN at all costs, and shove your stuff down HIS throat.
That's my assessment of what the right wing is doing.. My bet is that's what you think the left is doing. Whatdya know about that?
excon
It's a silly election season for sure but this is not new, we've been asking for answers on F&F for what, 2 years? The difference here is the left is busy mocking Romney for his dog on roof and smearing him as a bigot for an alleged high school incident.
I'm asking what Holder knew about an operation the allowed thousands of guns to walk into the hands of Mexican drug cartels and led to the death of not only Brian Terry but the husband of a Mexican official and God knows what else. Seems like slightly different levels of importance here.
Who sells a kid 10 military style weapons in the first place... legally?
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Holder testified under oath that he didn't know about it... THAT'S evidence. You may not believe it, but it's EVIDENCE nonetheless. In the absence of evidence to the contrary, you want to "investigate" to find out if he's lying... And, that's a fishing expedition.
excon
First it was didn't know about it, next it was he learned about it only “few weeks” earlier, then he it was he was off by few months when he testified he only knew about it a few weeks earlier. You must have slept through his "evolving" testimony.
Who lets Barrett .50 cals walk into drug dealer's hands?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Well if its not illegal to buy the thing or resell it and you can't get a probale cause warrant, What's the next step? Hell they can't keep guns out of the hands of American gun dealers.
Hey the guy said he didn't know about it. Well someone did and that someone is going down, even if he is the president. What is it you don't get about this, is it the total illegailty of the actions no matter who is to blame or the absolute lack of responsibility
Maybe that's because they're gun dealers.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I mean't American drug dealers.
Hello again,
Look.. It's over. The Justice Department is NOT going to prosecute Holder. The family will NEVER find out what happened if THAT was the intent of the which hunt. The House Republicans embarrassed themselves. Done deal.
excon
By the way, whatever happened to the left loving whistleblowers? They were Time's "Person of the Year in 2002."
http://img.timeinc.net/time/magazine...021230_400.jpg
Seems the love for whistleblowers has disappeared under Holder's reign at DoJ. But who cares? They're just a bunch of rat-finks, and it's not as if anybody died or anything, right?
Issa and Grassley would like to know however, why "two of the main whistleblowers who have testified before Congress about Fast and Furious under the supervision of someone (Scot Thomasson) who vowed to retaliate against them."
That supervisor was Scot Thomasson, who according to an eyewitness said “We need to get whatever dirt we can on these guys [the whistleblowers] and take them down.”
Thomasson also allegedly said that: “All these whistleblowers have axes to grind. ATF needs to f—k these guys.”
So where's the love for whistleblowers now?
P.S. Back in February of 2011, Assistant Attorney General Ronald Weich wrote a letter to Grassley that stated the DoJ knew nothing about F&F. Funny, but he cc’d emails with talking points on how to respond to questions about F&F in January.
I'm sure it's just more liberal evolution. A few years back whistleblowers were hot and coverups bad. Now it's just the opposite.
David Axelrod: Romney ‘Most Secretive Candidate’ Since Nixon
Pardon me while I to maintain a straight face. Nope, can't do it. Bwa ha ha ha ha ha!!
This coming from the folks who boasted the thoroughly unvetted, unknown, one term senator would make "transparency" the "hallmark" of their administration.
Mr. Axelrod, what is your boss hiding in the F&F investigation?
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