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  • May 7, 2012, 09:24 AM
    speechlesstx
    That's already been debunked as more left-wing hysteria about nothing. I'm just waiting for you Obamanoids to start bragging about his excellent record of rebuilding the economy, creating jobs... oh wait, he HAS no record to brag about. But like all leftists he is excellent with a cliche:

    Quote:

    Not now. Not with so much at stake. This isn't just another election. This is a make-or-break moment for America's middle class. We've been through much to turn back now. We've come too far to abandon the change we fought for these past few years. Virginia, we've got to move forward, to the future that we imagined in 2008. We've got to move forward to that future where everyone gets a fair shot, and everyone does their fair share, and everyone plays by the same rules.

    That's the choice in this election. And that's why I'm running for a second term as President of the United States of America.
  • May 7, 2012, 09:33 AM
    tomder55
    Oh yeah ,I heard that one ! That was the speech he gave to the half empty arena this weekend !
  • May 7, 2012, 10:13 AM
    speechlesstx
    That's the one, an empty speech to an empty arena by an empty suit.
  • May 7, 2012, 11:01 AM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    That's the one, an empty speech to an empty arena by an empty suit.

    Hello again, Steve:

    I call your half filled basketball arena, and raise you an EMPTY football stadium for an important Romney speech.

    Bwa, ha ha ha.

    excon
  • May 7, 2012, 11:28 AM
    speechlesstx
    Dude, that was over 2 months ago and was the result of security issues. Obama's was over the weekend and was the result of leading from behind armed with nothing but clichés.
  • May 7, 2012, 01:19 PM
    FirstChair
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx
    Why is anyone talking about vaginas? Why not prostates?
    Quote:

    excon;3109695]Hello again, Steve:

    I don't know how you missed it, but right wing states are passing LAWS that require a foreign object be put all UP INSIDE the vaginas of women who are seeking a legal abortion.. They're NOT passing laws about prostates..
    Hold on now... he does have a GOOD point since the owners of prostates should have EQUAL accountability. GREAT idea, let's start inserting foreign objects in your private parts and invading your family jewels…it's ALL NUT*S anyway.

    I plead the Fifth and I didn't drink the Kool-Aid either.
  • May 7, 2012, 02:14 PM
    speechlesstx
    The day I can push out a baby through my prostate is the day I'll say men must have an intrarectal ultrasound prior to an abortion. But since that's impossible it's as pointless as the hysteria over something that's already done by the abortion provider in the majority of cases anyway.

    P.S. Did you all know Obama was attacking women all along with his billions in budget cuts? Anderson Cooper discusses:

    Quote:

    COOPER: President Obama himself agreed to take money out. His budget, in fact, for 2013 specifies taking billions of dollars out for this. But you don’t say he’s targeting women, do you? I haven’t heard MoveOn.org say President Obama is targeting women’s health, that the Democrats are targeting women’s health five months ago. Now it’s Republicans targeting women’s health because they are wanting to do it.

    RUBEN: You know, the fact is you have — we have millions of –

    (CROSSTALK)

    COOPER: So when –

    RUBEN: — MoveOn members who benefit from programs –

    COOPER: So when President Obama –

    RUBEN: Rely on these programs — COOPER: Wanted to –

    RUBEN: We fight president — we’ve fought President Obama all the time.

    COOPER: So — so where’s your ad for — where’s your ad saying President Obama is targeting women?

    RUBEN: We’ve run ads against President Obama. But the fact is if you want to look at who is consistently targeting women, who is — you know, who’s the party that’s trying to eliminate funding for Planned Parenthood, who is the party that has consistently been trying to cut funding for cervical cancer and Pap smears? That’s the Republicans.

    And we’re going to call that out. And of course they’re going to try to dodge and get away from that. But the fact is, it’s true. There are over $200 million of 2013 funding that they are zeroing out.

    COOPER: And Obama’s 2013 budget when –

    RUBEN: And the bottom line is this is — we shouldn’t be having this conversation. Why are we having a conversation — look, you have student loan rates –

    COOPER: Because my job is to report on facts. Not to meet your agenda. And when President Obama suggests in his 2012 budget cutting billions of dollars from this, I don’t see a MoveOn.org ad saying President Obama is attacking women. You only seem to be targeting Republicans because that meets your political agenda.

    RUBEN: I just — I just don’t think that’s true. I mean look –

    COOPER: So when President Obama wants to cut money from this, that’s not targeting women?

    RUBEN: President Obama wants to — look, was it a problem –

    COOPER: Yes or no? Does that target women when President Obama wants to take billions of dollars out of this?

    RUBEN: When President Obama is taking billions of dollars out of this, that’s wrong and will have a disproportionate effect on women.

    COOPER: So he’s targeting women.
    So why is no one attacking Obama for his "war on women?"
  • May 7, 2012, 04:33 PM
    talaniman
    Obama is a surgeon. The conservatives are axe wielding slashers, and Romney is the vehicle to rubber stamp their slashing so he will get rich. That's what happens when a corporate equity raider marries the far right.

    A horror movie for the American people.
  • May 7, 2012, 05:26 PM
    paraclete
    I don't know Tal he might consoldiate a few banks and merge a few auto makers and tidy up that untidy clutter of untilities
  • May 7, 2012, 06:56 PM
    FirstChair
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Obama is a surgeon. The conservatives are axe wielding slashers, and Romney is the vehicle to rubber stamp their slashing so he will get rich. Thats what happens when a corporate equity raider marries the far right.

    A horror movie for the American people.

    "Obama is a surgeon"

    I don't know about that, but what about him having brain surgery?

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/do-t...eory-says-yes/

    "conservatives are axe wielding slashers"

    No folks, it's not the Apocalypse, yet…and don't you mean conservatives are [TAX and SPENDING] wielding slashers..

    "Romney is the vehicle to rubber stamp their slashing so he will get rich"

    Get rich? What's your point?. Romney's already rich to the tune of $250 Million. We need his stamp of approval so we can all become more self-sufficient and self-reliable.

    "Corporate equity raider marries the far right"

    Thank goodness he sees the trees in the forest and knows which ones to chop down for the good of the Nation... We the people...

    "Neither let us be slandered from our duty by false accusations against us, nor frightened from it by menaces of destruction to the Government nor of dungeons to ourselves. Let us have faith that right makes might, and in that faith, let us, to the end, dare to do our duty as we understand it." Abraham Lincoln
  • May 7, 2012, 09:49 PM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    I don't know Tal he might consolidate a few banks and merge a few auto makers and tidy up that untidy clutter of utilities

    If its profitable he will but that consolidates all the banking industry into a huge monopoly, and that means trimming of duplication, and no competition. But making utility and infrastructure upgrades is needed, but good luck making them use their enormous profits for such things, as our conservatives don't believe in bridges and roads so forget electricity, and cable.

    Hello new rightie(?), welcome aboard.

    Quote:

    QUOTE by FirstChair;"Obama is a surgeon"

    I don't know about that, but what about him having brain surgery?
    Do These Pics Show Obama's Had Brain Surgery? Wacky New Theory Says 'Yes' | TheBlaze.com
    The numbers don't lie, the private sector has grown 4 million jobs, look it up, and has already eclipsed the dismal job creating of the Bush years, slow, but steady, the jobs being lost are in the private sector, you know the ones that employ your neighbors, cops and teachers, all y the states by governments. But the best example is the Auto industry, jobs saved, industry retooled and expanding. Unlike the republican wish to make it disappear, and claiming the assets, both in products, inventory, and workers pensions.

    Quote:

    "conservatives are axe wielding slashers"

    No folks, it's not the Apocalypse, yet…and don't you mean conservatives are [TAX and SPENDING] wielding slashers..
    No, I meant the far right nut jobs who are to paranoid to work with others for reasonable solutions that help us all, and who believe it's their way or the highway. You aren't one of those are you?

    Quote:

    "Romney is the vehicle to rubber stamp their slashing so he will get rich"

    Get rich? What's your point?. Romney's already rich to the tune of $250 Million. We need his stamp of approval so we can all become more self-sufficient and self-reliable.
    You won't do it by making him even richer that's for sure, but you wingers think he will save you from yourselves. Read his plan for yourself, he makes sure he gets much richer, and your kids and you will pay for it. Explain how that makes you self reliant, and self sufficient? It makes you broke is what it does, YOU, as well as me! Funny how that works when you vote to screw yourself, and think you are screwing me!


    Quote:

    "Corporate equity raider marries the far right"

    Thank goodness he sees the trees in the forest and knows which ones to chop down for the good of the Nation... We the people...
    Your people, what about us on the left? Or in the middle? I thought we the people meant all the people, not just the chosen people.

    Quote:

    "Neither let us be slandered from our duty by false accusations against us, nor frightened from it by menaces of destruction to the Government nor of dungeons to ourselves. Let us have faith that right makes might, and in that faith, let us, to the end, dare to do our duty as we understand it." Abraham Lincoln[
    You righties are an embarrassment to poor Abe, I assume you are a rightie, but I could be wrong.
  • May 8, 2012, 02:24 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    No, I meant the far right nut jobs who are to paranoid to work with others for reasonable solutions that help us all, and who believe it's their way or the highway. You aren't one of those are you?
    Lol reasonable solutions ? The left doesn't even want to slow the growth of government.. Your idea of reasonable solutions can be found in the Fabian's playbook . So long as the progressive agenda gets advanced ,you'll settle for a slow and steady progress... in the spirit of compromise of course . So your President starts his negotiation position with a radical idea... like forcing churches to pay for "free " contraception... and then settles for their insurance paying for it .
  • May 8, 2012, 06:30 AM
    talaniman
    Lol reasonable solutions ? The left doesn't even want to slow the growth of government.. Your idea of reasonable solutions can be found in the Fabian's playbook . So long as the progressive agenda gets advanced ,you'll settle for a slow and steady progress... in the spirit of compromise of course .

    It would be steadier and faster if you gys would help instead of holler. When there is a grand deal you guys run away, so nothing gets done. Or filibuster so nothing gets done. Or critisize others for not doing enough, when in truth, its the right who have done nothing.You thing because we call you the right, you think you are right, but in truth you guys don't work with anything thats not a HOLY owed subsidiary of your own thinking.


    So your President starts his negotiation position with a radical idea... like forcing churches to pay for "free " contraception... and then settles for their insurance paying for it .

    They were already paying for them, and have been, Where have you been?? But it makes a better right wing argument when you say the church pays for them.......see what I mean about hollering and running? The rights agenda to destroy the government of the people, from within, and replace it with an oligarchy will FAIL!

    The best example I can give besidees the right wing congress stopping job creation, is the death panels that you righties hollered about, and when they didn't appear, you made them yourseves at the state level. Then blamed it on some one else. Its the right wing thats say the have good intentions(?), but trying to take us straight to hell.

    Say it with me its our country, not just yours!!!


    Bet you can't say it because you think its all your country!
  • May 8, 2012, 06:47 AM
    tomder55
    Your grand deals always move forward your agenda. I see no basis for a grand deal when the goals are so different . You want to expand the size ,power ,and scope of the Federal government.. I want it reduced. There is no grand compromise for that . You holler about Ryan ;you call his plan draconian. I say reducing the rate of government growth is not all that draconian . The plans put out by the Repubics are already a compromise in my book . I hold my nose and support them because right now there is nothing better for me to support.
  • May 8, 2012, 06:57 AM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    You want to expand the size ,power ,and scope of the Federal government .. I want it reduced.

    Hello again, tom:

    It's right wing spin. It's just not so. If it IS, could you find a Democrat to quote??

    I want it REDUCED too. I just want to do it DIFFERENTLY than you. So does Obama.. That's what the grand bargain was about, after all.

    So, as long as we talk PASSED each other, ain't nothing going to get done. Politically, the right wing thinks doing NOTHING is going to be blamed on Obama. It's ALL about politics. You remember what the FIRST thing Mitch McConnell said... And, that's what he's done.

    The question is, can you continue to fool the public... I'm not sure you can't. The public ain't real bright, and you're COUNTING on it.

    excon
  • May 8, 2012, 07:04 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Obama is a surgeon.

    Then he should definitely be sued for malpractice.
  • May 8, 2012, 07:10 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    I want it REDUCED too. I just wanna do it DIFFERENTLY than you. So does Obama..

    Bahahahahahahaha!! That must be why he wants to force religious organizations to surrender their constitutional rights and bow to his agenda and submit an absurd $3.8 trillion budget that even Dems wouldn't consider.
  • May 8, 2012, 07:30 AM
    talaniman
    I want a government that protects and serves, ALL of us. You don't want a government, you want a master.

    Your way, or no way huh?? Well you ain't getting my piece of the pie to impress your masters. And your Paul Ryan prays to Ayn Rand,

    Ayn Rand or Jesus Christ? Conservatives Can't Have It Both Ways | | AlterNet

    I see why you hold your nose, can't blame you!
  • May 8, 2012, 07:41 AM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Bahahahahahahaha!!!!!

    Hello again, Steve:

    You're just pissed that I took my rightful place in our league. FIRST! And, it's, bWa ha ha ha.

    excon
  • May 8, 2012, 08:05 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    I want a government that protects and serves, ALL of us. You don't want a government, you want a master.

    Says the guy who defends Big Brother himself.

    Quote:

    Obama Administration Security Official: We Don't Need to Subpoena Reporters Anymore Because We Already Know Who They're Talking To

    Peter Suderman | May 7, 2012

    You can still find a bold bullet point on Change.gov—a set of promises direct from "the office of the President-elect"—that insists Obama will "protect whistleblowers" within the government.

    "We need to empower federal employees as watchdogs of wrongdoing and partners in performance," it says. "Barack Obama will strengthen whistleblower laws to protect federal workers who expose waste, fraud, and abuse of authority in government."

    But as Edward Wasserman points out, you can't find much evidence of this protection in the Obama administration's lengthy record of attacks on individuals who've actually helped get out information about the government during Obama's term.

    Wasserman's blistering indictment of the Obama administration's hyper-aggressive pursuit of government whistleblowers, first delivered at April's Logan Symposium on Investigative Journalism, is worth reading in full. But the following bit is particularly terrifying:

    The public is generally unaware of how essential nominally classified information is to coverage of diplomatic and strategic news. As Steven Aftergood, director of the Federation of American Scientists’ government secrecy project, put it: “The administration’s aggressive pursuit of leaks represents a challenge to the practice of national security reporting, which depends on the availability of unauthorized sources if it is to produce something more than ‘authorized’ news.”

    What’s behind the administration’s fervor isn’t clear, but the news media have largely rolled over and yawned. A big reason is that prosecutors aren’t hassling reporters as they once did. Thanks to the post-9/11 explosion in government intercepts, electronic surveillance, and data capture of all imaginable kinds — the NSA is estimated to have intercepted 15-20 trillion communications in the past decade — the secrecy police have vast new ways to identify leakers.

    So they no longer have to force journalists to expose confidential sources. As a national security representative told Lucy Dalglish, director of the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press, “We’re not going to subpoena reporters in the future. We don’t need to. We know who you’re talking to.”
    Investigative reporters are supposed to be the ones keeping an eye on the government. Instead, it turns out, it's the other way around.

    Wasserman, who is the Knight Professor of Journalism Ethics at Washington & Lee University, frames his argument as a challenge to the press to stand up to the administration's attack on journalistic sourcing. I'd certainly like to see a lot more of that as well. But the bigger problem—the root problem—isn't the press; it's the Obama administration's hypocritical and legally dubious pursuit of the leakers and whistleblowers that President Obama once praised and promised to defend.
    Yep, I want a master. Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha!!

    Quote:

    Your way, or no way huh?? Well you ain't getting my piece of the pie to impress your masters. And your Paul Ryan prays to Ayn Rand,

    Ayn Rand or Jesus Christ? Conservatives Can't Have It Both Ways | | AlterNet

    I see why you hold your nose, can't blame you!
    Doesn't Fantasyland and doublethink ever get old with you guys?

    Ryan Shrugged
  • May 8, 2012, 08:12 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Steve:

    You're just pissed that I took my rightful place in our league. FIRST! And, it's, bWa ha ha ha.

    excon

    Actually it's "muahaha" and technically we're tied, but I feel confident in taking over my top spot again with my 13 top 10 players and getting Cliff Lee back soon. Muahahaha!!
  • May 8, 2012, 08:55 AM
    talaniman
    Believe it or not, but I am not against holding ANY government responsible for its actions, but as to Mr. Ryan,

    Catholic Bishops Blast Ryan Budget Plan - Christian Forums

    So what's your excuse to backing his plan, or are you holding your nose like Tom is?

    And I ain't that far behind you guys.
  • May 8, 2012, 09:03 AM
    speechlesstx
    First it was the Alternet story now the Bishops and me backing his plan. Ryan can speak well enough for himself and you'll find no evidence of me backing his plan. At this point I don't really care about much other than evicting Obama.

    And if I can keep my team healthy, you guys don't stand a chance.
  • May 8, 2012, 10:06 AM
    talaniman
    The Bishops and me backing his plan. Ryan can speak well enough for himself and you'll find no evidence of me backing his plan.

    Typo right, or is that how you really feel.

    Them injuries can change everyrhing real fast.
  • May 8, 2012, 10:07 AM
    tomder55
    Well either the Bishops believe in the virtue of private charity or they don't . I ask the Bishops who penned the letter (and are by no means the only voice of the church leadership) can a coerced act ever be virtuous ? By attempting to compel virtue, we eliminate its possibility.To be moral, an act must be of free will.

    Further ; Catholic teaching leaves politics to the laity .Pelosi and Ryan both have the right to advance their views on social issues as Catholics with neither being more Catholic ,or a better one than the other

    .As far as I can tell ;the Catholic belief in subsidiarity has not been abandoned as a principle teaching of the church .
    It is a fundamental principle of social philosophy, fixed and unchangeable, that one should not withdraw from individuals and commit to the community what they can accomplish by their own enterprise and industry. (Pope Pius XI)
    What is new and different in fact is this belief that the government should be the sole supplier of good works. .
  • May 8, 2012, 10:15 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Your way, or no way huh?? Well you ain't getting my piece of the pie to impress your masters. And your Paul Ryan prays to Ayn Rand,

    Ayn Rand or Jesus Christ? Conservatives Can't Have It Both Ways | | AlterNet

    I see why you hold your nose, can't blame you!
    If Rand is Ryan's false god then surely FDR is yours.
  • May 8, 2012, 10:19 AM
    talaniman
    What is new and different in fact is this belief that the government should be the sole supplier of good works. .

    Why does any one entity have to be the only way its done? Why can't they all work for the same goal. Under the same rules? Why don't your rules protect me, like you want them to protect you?
  • May 8, 2012, 10:24 AM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    If Rand is Ryan's false god then surely FDR is yours.

    You righties obstructed him too, but couldn't get him out of office.
  • May 8, 2012, 10:26 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    the Bishops and me backing his plan. Ryan can speak well enough for himself and you'll find no evidence of me backing his plan.

    Typo right, or is that how you really feel.

    Them injuries can change everyrhing real fast.

    No typo, I was referring to your arguments, not mine. That should be easy enough to figure out on your own, you posted the Alternet story, you posted the Bishop story and you asked "whats your excuse to backing his plan?" I was merely doing the world a favor and noting how you like to move the goalposts and make things up, like you have a chance to beat me in baseball.
  • May 8, 2012, 10:28 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    What is new and different in fact is this belief that the government should be the sole supplier of good works . .

    Why does any one entity have to be the only way its done? Why can't they all work for the same goal. Under the same rules? Why don't your rules protect me, like you want them to protect you?

    Ryan sees your plans going down the drain ;the logical result of creating ponzi schemes and calling them entitlements. The Ryan plan attempts to save what is good in them , It is you who are stuck in 1930s and 1960s central planned solutions that have proven to be unsustainable failures .
  • May 8, 2012, 01:58 PM
    cmeeks
    Contraceptives and abortion have enough legal precedence to protect them with the exception of forcing them against the religious believes of others.
    The real reason for the Borking of Bork was that he was a strict constitutionalists and believed in legal precedence and this went against those in congress looking to by votes with race based affirmative action policies that they feared he would find to be discriminatory.
    We under the current administration have seen more censorship, discrimination and dirty tricks than Ty Cob cleated second basemen
  • May 9, 2012, 01:05 AM
    FirstChair
    This subject line started about taking away a woman's right to keep what she already has and to compel her in accepting something else she might not want. What I see is that contraceptives are a form of abortion. Contraceptives do not keep a woman or girl from becoming pregnant; it keeps a potential baby from developing and kills it. If a contraceptive fails then abortion is the next option or choose to have the baby. Ever since the push for the use of contraceptives due to the sexual revolution, there have been many more abortions, not less, probably because of the lack of proper use. Abstinence is still the best choice if love and moral values are worth the wait. Can you imagine a mass pile of fetuses and babies like the pictures of the holocaust victims…both an injustice.
  • May 9, 2012, 03:10 AM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by FirstChair View Post
    This subject line started out about taking away a woman’s right to keep what she already has and to compel her in accepting something else she might not want. What I see is that contraceptives are a form of abortion. Contraceptives do not keep a woman or girl from becoming pregnant; it keeps a potential baby from developing and kills it. If a contraceptive fails then abortion is the next option or choose to have the baby. Ever since the push for the use of contraceptives due to the sexual revolution, there have been many more abortions, not less, probably because of the lack of proper use. Abstinence is still the best choice if love and moral values are worth the wait. Can you imagine a mass pile of fetuses and babies like the pictures of the holocaust victims…both an injustice.

    I don't to rain on your parade but there are many forms of contraceptive and not all abort a viable fetus. The use of contraceptives is to avoid the situation where abortion is considered. We would all like to be a paragon of self control but the reality is that since conception is not confined to marriage and people are unable to exercise self control contraception does avoid the social evil of abortion. If you want to avoid abortion then education is important and contraception a useful tool. Abstinence whilst desirable is not considered by those who lack certain moral instruction, it isn't even an option for most of those who do. Perhaps you don't understand how difficult abstinace is. It requires strong will and even stronger moral values
  • May 9, 2012, 03:16 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Can you imagine a mass pile of fetuses and babies like the pictures of the holocaust victims…both an injustice.
    We in the USA have already achieved Soviet and Chinese level genocide numbers ,surpassing the Germans years ago .

    But ;not to worry... the Chinese have figured out a way to utilize those corpses .

    Pills filled with powdered human baby flesh found by customs officials - Telegraph
  • May 9, 2012, 03:44 AM
    talaniman
    Tell two young people who live together that they have to be abstinent. Let me know how that goes.
  • May 9, 2012, 04:53 AM
    FirstChair
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    I don't to rain on your parade but there are many forms of contraceptive and not all abort a viable fetus. The use of contraceptives is to avoid the situation where abortion is considered. We would all like to be a paragon of self control but the reality is that since conception is not confined to marriage and people are unable to exercise self control contraception does avoid the social evil of abortion. If you want to avoid abortion then education is important and contraception a useful tool. Abstinence whilst desirable is not considered by those who lack certain moral instruction, it isn't even an option for most of those who do. perhaps you don't understand how difficult abstinace is. it requires strong will and even stronger moral values

    This isn't a parade of entertainment, this isn't a passing amusement, it is serious life business. The very first abortion ever performed was too much and not enough, care enough, for the unborn victims. The point still is, contraceptives are a form of birth control aborting and I get it, the lesser of the two. They should be teaching self-control, abstinence, moral values in the classroom all four years of high school, not only sex education. They shouldn't have to, but evidently they're not being taught at home. A person can use self-control. I love everything about sex with a male partner, but I abstain as long as I am unmarried. Yes I've made mistakes off and on years ago too, but anything is possible and my desire is just as strong today. I believe many people today, especially the young, have not experienced self-actualization in feeling safe, at peace, accepted, loved, loving, and alive.
  • May 9, 2012, 05:05 AM
    FirstChair
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    We in the USA have already achieved Soviet and Chinese level genocide numbers ,surpassing the Germans years ago .

    But ;not to worry ....the Chinese have figured out a way to utilize those corpses .

    Pills filled with powdered human baby flesh found by customs officials - Telegraph

    Yes, and I've heard US fast food places are allegedly using human embryonic kidney cells to enhance the flavors of their foods. What is this nation coming to... baby killers and now baby parts, eaters! That kind of borders on cannibalism.
  • May 9, 2012, 05:08 AM
    talaniman
    Sorry but its unrealistic you will solve the ills of society by not making birth control accessible. Nor is it fair to say your moral value is any better than some one else's, and stuff happens. You make your choice, others make theirs. I mean working married women use contraceptives too. Even stay at home moms. Why discriminate?
  • May 9, 2012, 05:15 AM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by FirstChair View Post
    This isn't a parade of entertainment, this isn't a passing amusement, it is serious life business. The very first abortion ever performed was too much and not enough, care enough, for the unborn victims. The point still is, contraceptives are a form of birth control aborting and I get it, the lesser of the two. They should be teaching self-control, abstinence, moral values in the classroom all four years of high school, not only sex education. They shouldn't have to, but evidently they're not being taught at home. A person can use self-control. I love everything about sex with a male partner, but I abstain as long as I am unmarried. Yes I've made mistakes off and on years ago too, but anything is possible and my desire is just as strong today. I believe many people today, especially the young, have not experienced self-actualization in feeling safe, at peace, accepted, loved, loving, and alive.

    look let's get this out of the way, abortion is an evil and I don't agree that society, any society should allow it, but abstinance was taught for two thousand years and the only society that has any measure of success is the Muslim and that is because the death penalty is applied. Education today is a joke so forget teaching ethic and morals in schools, the teachers are not the most moral people in some cases. You and I both know that the loss of religious values has gone right along with the loss of moral values and no more so than in that nation that shouts separation of church and state
  • May 9, 2012, 05:25 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by FirstChair View Post
    Yes, and I've heard US fast food places are allegedly using human embryonic kidney cells to enhance the flavors of their foods. What is this nation coming to...baby killers and now baby parts, eaters! That kinda borders on cannibalism.

    It's the progression of "progress" . Based on the known facts (I think it was Pepsi using embryos as flavor enhancers... of course they have a fancy scientific name for it... (HEK-293) ) ; one could see what would happen if there was a breakthrough in embryonic stem cell research. Could harvesting babies for parts be far behind ? Funny thing was that midway through the last century the world presumably put an end to eugenics .

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